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MrBassMan
03-30-2003, 04:04 PM
The TyStudio Project Team is proud to announce TyStudio 0.5.0 Beta 2. TyStudio is the new name of TyDemux since it's a suite of tools

providing you with a complete solution for extracting, editing, and converting of tivo tystreams.

While this is still Beta software, we consider it useful for a broader audience. However you should still have in mind that it's beta

software, and can cause seriously harmful damage to the health of you, your Tivo, your PC and anyone else within a 50 ft radius :). We

cannot accept any liability for loss or damage to anybody or anything. If you are unsure about installing software from irresponsible

people - don't do it. That said, we will move on to the nicer side of what we will bring you!


TyStudio is available from http://dvd-create.sourceforge.net/tystudio/index.shtml This is the homepage of TyStudio. Here you

will find extensive documentation available, along with a download page.

We urge you to read all available documentation before starting, especially the installation documentation!

Systems for feature requests and bug reports are available and we urge you to use those systems - for further information see
http://dvd-create.sourceforge.net/tystudio/resources.shtml

TyStudio has it's own user mailing list available at http://dvd-create.sourceforge.net/tystudio/resources.shtml We highly

recommend using, it since it will make your TyStudio experience so much more enjoyable.


Changes since Beta 1

BUG FIXES

Lookups/Hanging of TyEditor and TyProcess – all types of lookups/hangs should be fixed now
Faild to close gop when cutting- the code is more rubust and we should not fail here and if we do we print a the chunk we fail in.

This information can be used to pick a better cutpoint
GOP time error is now fixed
All Temporal reference errors reported at SourceForge (except 711971 and 711914) are fixed
4096 (512MB) download limit fixed
TyIndex will not go south when encoutering 1.3/1.5 and scrambled streams
100% cpu usage after complete fixed
TyGet crash under XP fixed
”Faild to open the selected show” fixed
Layout fixes of TyEditor
Fix of cutlist save crash
Wrong audio tickdiff – fixed both local and remote files
Audio repeat error fixed
Audio sync error fixed
Audio transcode errors transcoding to 44.1kHz fixed
And so on ...


NEW FEATURES

Real progress bar
Option dialog (not documented yet, but usage should be obvious)



Cheers

The TyStudio Team

KEC
03-30-2003, 04:08 PM
I could download the Tivo S/W.

Erock
03-30-2003, 04:11 PM
but the other updated downloads are not password protected..

Do I need to chat with someone about a password? I hope this is just an error.. I am very anxious to give the new version a drive around the block.

Developers: Thanks for all the hard work, TyStudio is awesome !

E



EDIT: Disregard... its working now!

olaf_sc
03-30-2003, 04:13 PM
Fixed - brown bag on me ;).

Cheers

akeogh
03-30-2003, 04:44 PM
Just tried to install Beta 2 on XP and the installer said it would install Beta 1. :(

setup.exe is 2230Kb whereas Beta 1 was 2206Kb is this just a small bug or is the current download wrong.

I abandoned installation. Advice please.

Govnah
03-30-2003, 04:45 PM
Stupid question. I would imagine we need to dlaod beta 2 of TYServer as well? Also, do we ned to uninstall TYServer beta 1 or just install TYserver beta 2 on top of TYServer beta 1?



TIA

olaf_sc
03-30-2003, 04:49 PM
Ahh, do the install - check the about box if it's saying beta 2 then it's beta 2.

Cheers Olaf

PS: Most likely we forgot to update the install package description

Govnah
03-30-2003, 04:58 PM
Olaf, what about the server install. Do I need to do anything diff other than install beta 2?

Also, Olaf great tool and I appreciate all the hard work to provide a tool like this to the masses!! Thanks!



TIA

AlphaWolf
03-30-2003, 04:59 PM
same old same old...

BareMetal
03-30-2003, 05:22 PM
Well Beta 2 is working great for me so far. 2.1 gig movie worked like a champ.

WinXP SP1 with the new Memory allocation Hotfix (request only as for now from MS).

Sony dtivo

Karpa
03-30-2003, 05:27 PM
XP Pro
Dtivo xtreme 3.1 (192.168.1.101)

When using beta 1 nothing would index and the d/l would be stuck on 0%. I installed beta 2 and now cannot get the now showing list. I cannot figure out what the problem is. Below in all of the important info that one may need to determine my problem.

Thanks
Karpa

Info:


TyStudio Error

Failed to obtain the Now Showing list from TIVO.

End of rc.sysinit:

echo "rc.sysinit is complete"

# keep this at the very end
exec < /dev/ttyS3 >& /dev/ttyS3; bash --login
/var/index/tyindex > /dev/null 2>&1 &pts"
/var/index/tyserver > /dev/null 2>&1 &

/etc/rc.d# ps ax
PID TTY STAT TIME COMMAND
1 ? SW 0:00 init
2 ? SW 0:00 (kflushd)
3 ? SW 0:00 (kswapd)
4 S3 SW 0:01 bash /etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit
55 ? S 0:00 update (bdflush)
82 ? SW 0:01 /tvbin/switcherstart -m -F
83 ? S 0:02 /tvbin/mfsd
96 ? S 0:00 /sbin/dhclient -q eth0
97 ? S 0:00 fancontrol
125 ? SW 0:00 /tvbin/mcp
126 S3 SW 0:00 bash --login
129 ? SW 0:00 PipeListen
130 ? S 0:00 Mcp event
131 ? SW 0:01 /tvbin/tcphonehome
132 ? SW 0:00 FsMpStream
133 ? SW 0:00 PipeListener
134 ? S 0:00 PhoneHome event hd
137 ? SW 0:02 /tvbin/ApgManager
138 ? SW 0:00 PipeListener
139 ? SW 0:00 ApgManager event
140 ? D 0:37 ApgWriter
141 ? SW 0:15 ApgReaderThread
142 ? S 0:00 /tvbin/dbgc-mcp
143 ? SW 0:00 PipeListener
144 ? S 0:04 /tvbin/myworld
145 ? SW 0:00 PipeListener
146 ? D 0:06 TmkTaskManager
147 ? SW 0:00 FsMpStream
148 ? SW 0:00 CamBot
149 ? S 0:00 CamManager
150 ? SW 0:00 TmkSinkMixAud
151 ? D 0:00 TmkClipCache0
152 ? SW 0:00 TmkClipCache1
153 ? S 0:00 TmkClipCache2
154 ? S 0:00 TmkClipCache3
155 ? S 0:05 TvMom5505Sink
156 ? SW 0:00 TvMom5505Sink
157 ? S 0:00 Mediaswitch0
158 ? S 0:00 Mediaswitch1
159 ? S 0:00 TvVideoManager
160 ? S 0:00 TvRecorder
161 ? D 0:26 Scheduler
162 ? S 0:00 Prioritizer
163 ? S 0:00 EventLog event
164 ? SW 0:00 PvrMain
165 ? SW 0:00 bus handler
166 ? S 0:02 ApgSmartSorter
167 ? S 0:03 ContextMgr eve
172 ? S 0:00 tivosh /hack/bin/xPlusz/xPluszDvr.tcl
177 ? S 0:00 /tivo-bin/tyhttpd 2000 4
179 ? S 0:00 /tivo-bin/tyhttpd 2000 4
180 ? S 0:00 /tivo-bin/tyhttpd 2000 4
181 ? S 0:00 /tivo-bin/tyhttpd 2000 4
189 ? SW 0:00 tnlited 23 /bin/bash -login
193 ? S 0:00 /hack/bin/xPlusz/cron
195 ? S 0:25 tivosh /tivoweb-tcl/httpd-tt.tcl
198 ? SW 0:00 /tivo-bin/tivoftpd
204 ? S 0:01 tivosh /hack/bin/xPlusz/sdelaysz.tcl 360 /hack/bin/xPlusz/el

214 p0 SW 0:00 /bin/bash -login
221 ? S 0:00 /tivo-bin/tyhttpd 2000 4
222 p0 RW 0:00 ps ax

Contents of /var/index

/var/index# ls -l
total 1242
drwxr-xr-x 2 0 0 1024 Mar 30 21:41 index
-rw------- 1 0 0 21869 Mar 30 21:37 nowshowing
-rwxr-xr-x 1 0 0 616394 Mar 30 21:37 tyindex
-rwxr-xr-x 1 0 0 621693 Mar 30 21:37 tyserver
/var/index#

laserfan
03-30-2003, 06:09 PM
I was thrilled to see Beta 2 today as I'd just encountered a problem I'd not seen before. Unfortunately b2 did not help so I wonder if someone can help me get around this:

I Processed with TyEditorb2 an SA tystream to Elementary Streams, but upon importing to SpruceUp (it's worked a dozen times for me with this method) I get an error 63% of the way-in (where it is checking the file when Add Media Asset). The error:

"Temporal References in GOP #4780 (Zero-based) are out of sequence (0xc10b000a)"

I don't suppose there is any way to relate this GOP to a time or frame to attempt to excise (edit) it out of the program?

I should note that when TyEditor was outputting the m2v and m2a files, it did pause for the longest time at approximately this point (I thought it was hung) but then it continued along to the end.

KEC
03-30-2003, 06:48 PM
I am watching a SVCD created with tystudio beta 2 and Nero.

The only quirk I have noticed (so far in this test) occurs at the end of each segment. (I do not leave all parts of the show concatenated together.) The end of the segment occurs earlier than expected and there seems to be an unusually long freeze before starting the next segment.

BareMetal
03-30-2003, 06:56 PM
Karpa I don't see tyindex or tyserver running... just run them manually and everything should work.

donmc
03-30-2003, 07:06 PM
Beta 2 installed and working like a charm. Will need to test more thoroughly over the next few days but fantastic improvement over beta 1!

Well done you guys!

Many Thanks

teradia
03-30-2003, 07:09 PM
Any installation instructions for this thing? :)

Rowan
03-30-2003, 07:15 PM
Originally posted by KEC
The end of the segment occurs earlier than expected and there seems to be an unusually long freeze before starting the next segment.

Is the freeze in the audio or video?

snoopy
03-30-2003, 07:22 PM
Originally posted by teradia
Any installation instructions for this thing? :)

I was a little confused at first also. There are two parts. There is a windows part and a tivo part. I agree that since this is the most common method, there ought to be one download page with one file and instructions for how to go about doing it if you have never done it before. If you download the two parts i mentioned though, and read the documentation for each (one of the documentations is included with the download, the other is downloaoded separately), then it should be easy enough to figure out. Hope that helps.

MannyL
03-30-2003, 07:42 PM
Ok beta 2 works better for me as it doesn't freeze. I was trying to do Final Fanatsy the movie, cutting out the beginning and end (pre-trailer from Showtime and ads from Showtime). I did a Cust Start at frame 0 then a stop at 119 then start again at 20995 with a stop at 21994. Everything looked good but it failed.

Processing Failed - see the editor log for more inormation

Last message was:
ERROR:transcode:
ERROR:Decode-Ran out of input bytes.

I was trying to make it a VCD 44100 settings. The log has been attached to the next message

MannyL
03-30-2003, 07:45 PM
I thought you might want the log file so I attached it here

olaf_sc
03-30-2003, 07:47 PM
A quick one you will need to install beta 2 of tyserver!

Cheers Olaf

MannyL
03-30-2003, 08:03 PM
I need to instally tyserver even if I'm using a file extracted from mfs_ftp ?

teradia
03-30-2003, 08:12 PM
snoopy - thanks. I forgot to download the install docs for the server half. doh!

fredisdead
03-30-2003, 08:16 PM
Still have this problem. Posted full bug report to sourceforge.. ty stream is available for upload if it helps...

Have confirmed same problem on second ty stream, same error message after processing 40% of the tystream cut process... See sourceforge..

shibumila
03-30-2003, 08:21 PM
Anyone finding that Beta 2 is a lot slower at downloading and extracting video? Is this expected? I'm on XP Pro.

It seemed like I was able to transfer a 30 minute show in about 5 to 10 minutes and now it's taking at least an hour.

I was able to extract Video (at least up to 500 megs) in about 20 minutes and now it's taking over an hour.


What are the expected benchmarks to download on a Tivo Stand Alone with 3.x software and the expected time to Extract it?

Thanks,

Joe

Pete Ruttman
03-30-2003, 08:39 PM
I posted this at sf but is anyone else able to take a show and transcode the audio and output a DVD mpeg? I get a message saying that transcode or mplex crashed and the processing stops.

pete

dlang
03-30-2003, 08:43 PM
did the linux build get updated properly? the files created have a date a March 22 and the tystudio GUI claims it's beta 1

newbie
03-30-2003, 08:44 PM
Joe--I'm find extraction times about the same. Are you copying the file to PC first. Try that as an experiment.

invader zog
03-30-2003, 09:07 PM
Apologies if this was already answered and I just didn't understand it.

If I have a recording that starts w/ 2 channel audio (i.e some of the pre-show stuff that ends up at the beginning) then goes into 5.1, will Tystudio be "smart" enough to know that the recording is 5.1 (i.e. if I wanted to author a DVD w/ ifoedit later)...

Previously, I would use tytool and just ignore the first x chunks...

pgfitzgerald
03-30-2003, 09:37 PM
I still have to make sure I start the process after the 5.1 audio starts. Otherwise, the whole thing ends up 2 channel.

I'm still having some serious issues with sync.

DVD Architect does not accept elementary streams, nor does it accept mpeg files muxed with ac3. So, I have to process to one file muxed with some kind of audio (doesn't matter -- as long as it's there), and process elementary streams next. I then use the first file for video, and the elementary ac3 file for the audio. The problem is that the ac3 file is 10 minutes longer for a 40 minute show, and the audio is nowhere near being synced to the video...

... still working on it ...

Paul


Originally posted by invader zog
Apologies if this was already answered and I just didn't understand it.

If I have a recording that starts w/ 2 channel audio (i.e some of the pre-show stuff that ends up at the beginning) then goes into 5.1, will Tystudio be "smart" enough to know that the recording is 5.1 (i.e. if I wanted to author a DVD w/ ifoedit later)...

Previously, I would use tytool and just ignore the first x chunks... :o :o :o :o

Pete Ruttman
03-30-2003, 09:38 PM
Processing to elemental streams instead of an mpeg allows the conversion to complete. These files seem to work fine in dvd workshop.

pete

Karpa
03-30-2003, 10:22 PM
Originally posted by BareMetal
Karpa I don't see tyindex or tyserver running... just run them manually and everything should work.

I started tyserver and tyindex. I assumed that they would start with rc.sysinit. I still get the same error, "Failed to obtain the Now Showing list from TIVO."

Any ideas?

Karpa


/var/hack# /var/index/tyserver
Socket has port #1150
/var/hack# /var/index/tyindex
/var/hack# ps ax
PID TTY STAT TIME COMMAND
1 ? SW 0:00 init
2 ? SW 0:00 (kflushd)
3 ? SW 0:00 (kswapd)
4 S3 SW 0:01 bash /etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit
55 ? S 0:00 update (bdflush)
82 ? SW 0:04 /tvbin/switcherstart -m -F
83 ? S 0:37 /tvbin/mfsd
96 ? S 0:00 /sbin/dhclient -q eth0
97 ? S 0:00 fancontrol
125 ? SW 0:00 /tvbin/mcp
126 S3 SW 0:00 bash --login
129 ? SW 0:00 PipeListen
130 ? S 0:01 Mcp event
131 ? SW 0:01 /tvbin/tcphonehome
132 ? SW 0:00 FsMpStream
133 ? SW 0:00 PipeListener
134 ? S 0:00 PhoneHome event hd
137 ? SW 0:06 /tvbin/ApgManager
138 ? SW 0:02 PipeListener
139 ? SW 0:03 ApgManager event
140 ? S 3:49 ApgWriter
141 ? SW 3:23 ApgReaderThread
142 ? S 6:11 /tvbin/dbgc-mcp
143 ? SW 0:00 PipeListener
144 ? S 0:04 /tvbin/myworld
145 ? SW 0:00 PipeListener
146 ? S 0:17 TmkTaskManager
147 ? SW 0:00 FsMpStream
148 ? SW 0:00 CamBot
149 ? S 0:03 CamManager
150 ? SW 0:00 TmkSinkMixAud
151 ? SW 0:12 TmkClipCache0
152 ? SW 0:12 TmkClipCache1
153 ? S 0:11 TmkClipCache2
154 ? S 0:00 TmkClipCache3
155 ? S 1:29 TvMom5505Sink
156 ? SW 0:00 TvMom5505Sink
157 ? S 0:00 Mediaswitch0
158 ? S 0:00 Mediaswitch1
159 ? S 0:04 TvVideoManager
160 ? S 0:14 TvRecorder
161 ? S 2:22 Scheduler
162 ? S 0:21 Prioritizer
163 ? S 0:00 EventLog event
164 ? SW 0:04 PvrMain
165 ? SW 0:00 bus handler
166 ? S 1:01 ApgSmartSorter
167 ? S 0:11 ContextMgr eve
172 ? S 0:01 tivosh /hack/bin/xPlusz/xPluszDvr.tcl
177 ? S 0:00 /tivo-bin/tyhttpd 2000 4
179 ? S 0:00 /tivo-bin/tyhttpd 2000 4
180 ? S 0:00 /tivo-bin/tyhttpd 2000 4
181 ? S 0:00 /tivo-bin/tyhttpd 2000 4
189 ? SW 0:00 tnlited 23 /bin/bash -login
193 ? S 0:00 /hack/bin/xPlusz/cron
195 ? S 0:25 tivosh /tivoweb-tcl/httpd-tt.tcl
198 ? SW 0:00 /tivo-bin/tivoftpd
221 ? S 0:00 /tivo-bin/tyhttpd 2000 4
224 ? S 0:00 /hack/bin/xPlusz/elseed ''
291 p0 SW 0:00 /bin/bash -login
296 ? SW 0:00 /var/index/tyserver
298 ? DW 0:00 /var/index/tyindex
299 p0 RW 0:00 ps ax
/var/hack#

Rowan
03-30-2003, 10:25 PM
Originally posted by invader zog
Apologies if this was already answered and I just didn't understand it.

If I have a recording that starts w/ 2 channel audio (i.e some of the pre-show stuff that ends up at the beginning) then goes into 5.1, will Tystudio be "smart" enough to know that the recording is 5.1 (i.e. if I wanted to author a DVD w/ ifoedit later)...

Previously, I would use tytool and just ignore the first x chunks...

tystudio probes the stream and will detect if 5.1 audio is present, if so then it should skip until the start of the 5.1 video/audio and then create the output.

invader zog
03-30-2003, 10:37 PM
Originally posted by pgfitzgerald
I still have to make sure I start the process after the 5.1 audio starts. Otherwise, the whole thing ends up 2 channel.


Sorry -- how exactly do you start the process after the 5.1 audio starts? do you use the cut feature to remove the first x minutes?

pgfitzgerald
03-30-2003, 10:46 PM
My testing indicates otherwise.

Do I need to do it a certain way?

Paul


Originally posted by Rowan
tystudio probes the stream and will detect if 5.1 audio is present, if so then it should skip until the start of the 5.1 video/audio and then create the output.

pgfitzgerald
03-30-2003, 10:49 PM
Yes, that's exactly what I do. I get 5.1 audio, but it doesn't sync with the video.

What's strange is the last test I did came up with a video file that was 47:47:06 and an audio file that was 59:44:00. It's like it dropped ~13 minutes of video...

Paul


Originally posted by invader zog
Sorry -- how exactly do you start the process after the 5.1 audio starts? do you use the cut feature to remove the first x minutes?

Pete Ruttman
03-30-2003, 11:27 PM
Well, I converted two episodes of Alias to elemental streams at 48000 and added them to a DVD Workshop project. They added fine (if the audio is named with .mpa). When I tried to create the VIDEO_TS folder DVD WS said it has to convert the audio track. I have seen this with most of my attempts at using elements instead of a complete mpeg. Can anyone do this?

I can't use the ' video to: DVD' option since it crashes part way through. That's how I used to do things in beta 1.

pete

Pete Ruttman
03-30-2003, 11:53 PM
Also tried added one of the element pairs into spruceup and it crashed at 99% into the audio file. Anyone have any luck with spruceup with beta 2 files?

pete

Pete Ruttman
03-30-2003, 11:59 PM
Ok, I fell back to my command line batch file and got another error. I used the cut file I created in tyeditor and used it with tydemux. Unfortunately, I got that error that said I needed to use a different cut point. I editted the cut file I removed what I thought was the offending cut and started the process again. Wish me luck.

I am leaning toward, changing my tivo encoding to 720x480 @ a max bitrate of 480000bps and see if that will give me 2 hours of show with commercials on one dvd. Less sync errors and less issues with the cuts for now.

pete

olaf_sc
03-31-2003, 12:27 AM
The Linux package is the old Beta 1 !!!!!! - The new Linux package is now avalible at the TyStudio website - if you have downloaded "Beta 2" for Linux - please download the updated package ASAP

Sorry Olaf

olaf_sc
03-31-2003, 12:29 AM
Hello Folks,

Please post all new bugs on SourceForge - (well disregard old Linux package bugs!). We will tend to them as fast as possible - i.e. in a day or two - MrBassMan and I need a short break :).

Cheers Olaf

BareMetal
03-31-2003, 12:55 AM
Karpa

Can you get to a prompt and ping tivo. Try putting in the IP address of your tivo and see if that works for you.

justauser
03-31-2003, 01:13 AM
Speaking as an absolute "newbie" and total novice to all of this....


Three days ago, my SA tivo was independant and truly stand alone. Since that time I've installed TurboNet card, enabled Telnet and FTP servers on tivo.

Then, found this app..... What a nice piece of software for a newbie like me!!! A little tough to get installed into tivo, but it was worth it.

I've successfully transferred two different 1 hour programs, deleted commercials, and burned to SVCD....

I'm off to get DVD burner tomorrow!

I know this program isn't "perfect" yet (my SA tivo is now a little "squirrley" but I'm sure that will settle down in the next few weeks).

Kudos and thanks for a nice suite of applications/scripts!

snoopy
03-31-2003, 01:54 AM
I am trying to import a tystudio beta 2 mpg into dvd workshop and then burn to cd. It appears to require transcoding after choosing the option with the lowest resolution. Does anyone know how best to go straight from mpg to dvd sofware without the need to re-encode the data?

BareMetal
03-31-2003, 02:14 AM
try patching the first header to 382x480x3500(bitrate) with dvd patcher. Import into dvd workshop and out put to folders when your done.

Then go to the video folder and patch the second vob file to 480x480x15000(bitrate). Patch the whole file, it works on more dvd players this way.

Then burn to DVD with nero.

I know this is a short and dirty post, but it it's the short version of another thread here.

snoopy
03-31-2003, 02:20 AM
Originally posted by BareMetal
try patching the first header to 382x480x3500(bitrate) with dvd patcher. Import into dvd workshop and out put to folders when your done.

Then go to the video folder and patch the second vob file to 480x480x15000(bitrate). Patch the whole file, it works on more dvd players this way.

Then burn to DVD with nero.

I know this is a short and dirty post, but it it's the short version of another thread here.


hmm. I thought there was a way to import directly into dvd workshop without any extra steps :(

dlang
03-31-2003, 02:30 AM
with beta1 on linux I was able to take a .ty file and edit it to a .mpg that I was then able to burn (useing dvdauthor, mkisofs, and cdrecord, all free command line tools) to a CD. the problems I had were that tystudio loked up at the end of the conversion, the beginning of the DVD was missing the first 20-30 seconds of signal, and the audo/fvideo sync varied drasticly after each cut poin., but it did play!!

with beta2 (the correct files that is) I can do the edit without any problem, but when I attempt to add it to the DVD image I'm building I get complaints that it can't find the VOB block.

apparently something changed between beta1 and beta2 on this.

I'll try to get a chance to post this to the sourceforge bug reporter sometime later

BareMetal
03-31-2003, 03:14 AM
Snoopy, if you look at the spruce thread. There is an edit for that program that allows you to import the the mpg into spruce products and make DVD's with out patching the files.

I haven't tried it because I don't like spruce up, but I have not tried DVD Maestro yet.

There is not much we can do with the DVD authoring programs being so picky on resolution of files.

I recall reading a thread yesterday that new dvd authoring software will be released later this week that will take 480x480 files. I'm intrested in trying that one.

Stephen
03-31-2003, 08:01 AM
FYI Im still haveint the CPU problem on 2 different boxes....

W2K Pro and W2K Advanced Server. It doesnt even start to download the files before the CPU maxes out. (No file is created after about 5 minutes of allowing it to attempt)

I get 0 % and then it hangs.... I CAN download via tytools with no problems

I also know that I am running beta 2 because the readme files work (they still say beta .50 though :)

I have updated the Tivo sde as well. Suggestions?

BareMetal
03-31-2003, 08:50 AM
Your mailbox is full.




snoopy wrote on 03-31-2003 02:42 AM:
can you send me a link to the thread you are referencing?


it's one of the top threads...

http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=23089

bato
03-31-2003, 09:58 AM
Originally posted by snoopy
hmm. I thought there was a way to import directly into dvd workshop without any extra steps :(
If your files are from a Dtivo you need extra steps, if you are working with SA then you can change recording to DVD standard and then no need to patch.

LooNTooNs
03-31-2003, 10:14 AM
Beta 2 is working pretty flawless for me so far. I do have a question on burning though. I converted a movie from a SA Sony and the Mpeg seems perfect. After brining it into DVD Workshop it is taking FOREVER to convert the files to burn. The process time was pretty quick, But this converting in DVD Workshop is taking hours.

1. Did I convert the file corectly in Tystudio (DVD,48000)

2. The movie wouldnt fit on 1 DVD at best quality, how low can I bring the quality without really affecting the quality?

3. If I wanted to put 2 movies on 1 DVD for my kids. Whats the best way. can I fit 2 and not have the movies look like garbage.


Thanks

Seth

MrBassMan
03-31-2003, 10:34 AM
Originally posted by Stephen
FYI Im still haveint the CPU problem on 2 different boxes....

W2K Pro and W2K Advanced Server. It doesnt even start to download the files before the CPU maxes out. (No file is created after about 5 minutes of allowing it to attempt)

I get 0 % and then it hangs.... I CAN download via tytools with no problems

I also know that I am running beta 2 because the readme files work (they still say beta .50 though :)

I have updated the Tivo sde as well. Suggestions?

Delete the file editorlog.txt before starting the editor - it is probably extremely large from a bad run that filled it up.

Mbarr
03-31-2003, 10:45 AM
I'm curious as to the difference between the various modes of operation for tystudio.

SVCD vs generic vs DVD. What does it actually change?

the audio trascode is obvious.. but I'm not so sure on the video ones...

Govnah
03-31-2003, 11:25 AM
I recorded Six Feet under last night and dloaded via TYStudi Beta 2 w/ no issues. I transcoded to "DVD" but it fails w/ "Fatal Demux unable to repair stream." My older TYStreams seem to work fine with beta 2. Is there something special about the show or is this releated to TYStudio beta 2. I understand that TYStudi is still beta, but thought I would post this error to help the developers on a great tool.

bwperez
03-31-2003, 01:19 PM
Just wanted to send out a THANKS! My wife just bought me a Sony 500AX DVD Burner for my birthday... and on the same day that Beta 2 came out. Beta 1 and I had no sucess. With Beta 2 have already had sucess pulling an episode of Trading Spaces and editing out the comercials. The sync is a VERY little off at the very end of the 1hr show and I lost the last few seconds... I'll just move my final cut a little and all should be good.

Don't give me a hard time about Trading Spaces... the wife did get me the DVD burner so I thought I would start with something that would make her happy.

Brian

:D

snoopy
03-31-2003, 01:51 PM
End of movie is grossly out of sync.

This is not intended to be a complaint. Only a bug report. Thanks for such a wonderfull tool. I can certainly live without cuts. OLAF ROCKS

bato
03-31-2003, 02:23 PM
Originally posted by LooNTooNs
1. Did I convert the file corectly in Tystudio (DVD,48000)

I guess you did right, the problem is with the resolution, if you didn't change the resolution in your SA to 352x480 or 720x480 then Workshop is transcoding the video and it takes hours.

2. The movie wouldnt fit on 1 DVD at best quality, how low can I bring the quality without really affecting the quality?
It depends the resolution you use in your SA, some people is recording at 352x480 and around 2500 bitrate and it will look like VHS some people say better and can give you almost 4hrs/DVD.

3. If I wanted to put 2 movies on 1 DVD for my kids. Whats the best way. can I fit 2 and not have the movies look like garbage.
Everything is in the eye of the beholder, what I consider "good" someone else can consider it "garbage". You can put 2 movies into 1 DVD from Dtivo streams, so I guess if you record at 352x480 and select the bitrate as equation dvdspace/seconds you need, then you can find the bitrate that you need to fit the 2 movies without much space left.

Hi8
03-31-2003, 02:25 PM
Originally posted by LooNTooNs
Beta 2 is working pretty flawless for me so far. I do have a question on burning though. I converted a movie from a SA Sony and the Mpeg seems perfect. After brining it into DVD Workshop it is taking FOREVER to convert the files to burn. The process time was pretty quick, But this converting in DVD Workshop is taking hours.

1. Did I convert the file corectly in Tystudio (DVD,48000)

2. The movie wouldnt fit on 1 DVD at best quality, how low can I bring the quality without really affecting the quality?

3. If I wanted to put 2 movies on 1 DVD for my kids. Whats the best way. can I fit 2 and not have the movies look like garbage.


Thanks

Seth

you can try using "resource editor" under TiVoWEB tochangeone of your setting to say 720x480 3.5MPS bitrate -- this should allow you to fit at LEAST one movie per disc.

bato
03-31-2003, 02:41 PM
Originally posted by Hi8
you can try using "resource editor" under TiVoWEB tochangeone of your setting to say 720x480 3.5MPS bitrate -- this should allow you to fit at LEAST one movie per disc.
LooNTooNs:

And then change it to 352x480 and see the difference, with these tests you will find your "sweet spot" between resoluction (352x480 and 720x480) and bitrate (2.5, 3.1416, 3.5)

At the end you will change what best, high, med, low resolution/bitrate to fit your needs, maybe best for movies, high for shows, med for cartoon that compress better. Maybe all at 352x480 maybe all 720x480, that's what you need to find out.

saltydog4791
03-31-2003, 03:37 PM
well, so far beta 2 has been great. no complaints here. occasionally I have the "failed to close gop error" which requires a new cut point. this is not a huge deal to me, but some of the stuff I am editing have a ton of commercials at unpredictable times, i.e. sporting events. thus it is very hard to find out the failing cut point. I don't mind choosing a new cut, but I was wondering if anything is being worked on to tell the user which cut is failing. trying to decipher the editorlog doesn't really tell you much. just wondering, not complaining..... ;)

saltydog4791

P.S. how is the os x version coming along? I offered a little while back to donate to the qt fund. is that still the showstopper for that getting done?

shibumila
03-31-2003, 03:39 PM
Ever since I've installed Beta 2 I haven't been able to transfer the .ty files, it's takes several hours, and the Tivo has seem to be acting a little funky. I've reinstalled the TyStudio Server, and I've rebooted several times. Does anyone see anything weird looking in my ps -ax output? I see there is a Zombie there... and some of the processes look like they take up a lot of time.

Thanks,

Joe


PID TTY STAT TIME COMMAND
1 ? SW 0:01 (init)
2 ? SW 0:01 (kflushd)
3 ? SW 0:05 (kswapd)
49 ? S 0:00 update (bdflush)
57 ? S 0:04 syslogd -p /var/dev/log -m 10000
59 ? SW 0:00 klogd
75 ? SW 0:10 /tvbin/switcherstart -m -F
78 ? S 2:00 /tvbin/mfsd
83 ? S 0:00 fancontrol
118 ? S 0:00 (dhclient)
119 ? SW 0:00 (mcp)
124 ? SW 0:00 /var/hack/bin/tivoftpd
125 ? S 0:22 tivosh /var/hack/tivoweb-tcl/httpd-tt.tcl
126 ? S 0:00 /var/hack/bin/yac
127 ? S 0:00 /var/hack/bin/tyhttpd 2000 4
134 ? SW 0:05 PipeListen
135 ? S 0:19 Mcp event
136 ? SW 0:00 (tcphonehome)
138 ? S 2:06 /var/index/tyindex
139 ? SW 0:00 (tyhttpd)
140 ? SW 0:00 (tyhttpd)
141 ? SW 0:00 (tyhttpd)
142 ? SW 0:00 (tyhttpd)
143 ? S 2:08 /var/index/tyindex
144 ? S 2:10 /var/index/tyindex
145 ? SW 0:00 /var/index/tyserver
146 ? SW 0:00 FsMpStream
147 ? SW 0:05 PipeListener
148 ? SW 0:00 tnlited 23 /bin/bash -login
149 ? S 6:47 PhoneHome event hd
152 ? S 6:21 /tvbin/dbgc-mcp
153 ? SW 0:04 PipeListener
154 ? S 0:05 /tvbin/myworld
155 ? SW 0:00 FsMpStream
156 ? SW 0:02 PipeListener
158 ? SW 0:00 TmkSinkMixAud
159 ? S 0:19 TmkClipCache0
160 ? SW 0:17 TmkClipCache1
161 ? D 12:39 TvMomCs22Sink
162 ? SW 0:00 TvMomCs22Sink
163 ? S 2:18 Mediaswitch0
164 ? S 0:02 TvVideoManager
165 ? S 0:12 TvRecorder
166 ? S 0:22 TmkTaskManager
167 ? S 10:56 Scheduler
168 ? S 5:39 Prioritizer
169 ? S 0:03 EventLog event
170 ? S 0:02 PvrMain
171 ? SW 0:00 bus handler
172 ? S 11:54 ContextMgr eve
186 ? Z 1:20 (tyserver <zombie>)
187 ? SW 0:00 /bin/bash -login
194 ? RW 0:00 ps -ax

newbie
03-31-2003, 03:41 PM
You seem to have tyindex loaded 3 times. Either kill 2 of them or just reboot your tivo.

bwperez
03-31-2003, 03:59 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by saltydog4791
[B] I don't mind choosing a new cut, but I was wondering if anything is being worked on to tell the user which cut is failing. trying to decipher the editorlog doesn't really tell you much.

The editorlog tells you which chunk it failed on. Using this I have had no problems figuring out which cut was bad. What I would like it to do is check ALL the cuts first since it can be very frustrating to do this 3-4 times each during a 1hr show. Starting over each time gets a little tedious... However, it is MUCH better than the alternative!

Brian

saltydog4791
03-31-2003, 04:15 PM
Originally posted by bwperez
[QUOTE]Originally posted by saltydog4791
[B] I don't mind choosing a new cut, but I was wondering if anything is being worked on to tell the user which cut is failing. trying to decipher the editorlog doesn't really tell you much.

The editorlog tells you which chunk it failed on. Using this I have had no problems figuring out which cut was bad. What I would like it to do is check ALL the cuts first since it can be very frustrating to do this 3-4 times each during a 1hr show. Starting over each time gets a little tedious... However, it is MUCH better than the alternative!

Brian

But how does chunk relate to the timecode? Am I missing something? I don't really see the correlation. Remember I am talking about programming with lots of edits.

saltydog4791

bwperez
03-31-2003, 04:27 PM
Originally posted by saltydog4791
But how does chunk relate to the timecode? Am I missing something? I don't really see the correlation. Remember I am talking about programming with lots of edits.

saltydog4791

I don't have it in front of me to test exactly, however let me give it a try. Change the setting in TyStudio to View Frame Counter rather than Time Counter ... just select the View menu. My cut list displays the chunk rather than the time so it is as easy as looking at the log to find the failed chunk and then looking at the cut list for the failed cut. Change that up or down one and try again.

I hope we are talking about the same thing... if not please forgive me.

Brian

saltydog4791
03-31-2003, 05:21 PM
Originally posted by bwperez
I don't have it in front of me to test exactly, however let me give it a try. Change the setting in TyStudio to View Frame Counter rather than Time Counter ... just select the View menu. My cut list displays the chunk rather than the time so it is as easy as looking at the log to find the failed chunk and then looking at the cut list for the failed cut. Change that up or down one and try again.

I hope we are talking about the same thing... if not please forgive me.

Brian

oops, I didn't even notice that frame was the same as chunk. thanks. sorry, it was a long weekend.... :)

saltydog4791

laserfan
03-31-2003, 06:50 PM
Originally posted by saltydog4791
oops, I didn't even notice that frame was the same as chunk. thanks. sorry...I'm not sure an apology is needed--there is plenty of room for confusion. There are all of Chunks and Frames and GOPs and who-knows-what-else and I can't keep them sorted between the docs and the tools and the logs. I mean, I know what a GOP is and I know what Frames are but it seems these are sometimes used interchangeably? At least, I don't see a correlation between Frames as viewed on the TyTranscode progress dialog, and Frames as listed in the TyEditor marker area (seems about 2:1 difference). Can anyone explain this.

teradia
03-31-2003, 08:00 PM
Installed the studio yesterday and everything was working beautifully -- got the streams downloaded and converted, no problems. Came home from work today to find that TyIndex and TyServer were no longer running, although I hadn't rebooted. Did so, and they didn't start up -- had to get them going manually. Is this the same problem Karpa had? Any idea how to fix?

PTVupgrade
03-31-2003, 08:24 PM
Just tested this out for the first time and it worked like a charm.

I did not know what to expect as there seems to be no mention of noscramble.o as a requirement, however I have been running noscramble.o on this unit since I upgraded to 3.1 -- I didn't expect this to work!

In any case, any comments on why this appears to work on units with noscramble.o loaded and also on units without it loaded? Did I miss something here?

Rowan
03-31-2003, 08:32 PM
Originally posted by pweed
Just tested this out for the first time and it worked like a charm.

I did not know what to expect as there seems to be no mention of noscramble.o as a requirement, however I have been running noscramble.o on this unit since I upgraded to 3.1 -- I didn't expect this to work!

In any case, any comments on why this appears to work on units with noscramble.o loaded and also on units without it loaded? Did I miss something here?

You have to have noscramble.o loaded, that was missing from the doc's. At this time I don't know of any software (except for the TiVo itself) that can decode the scrambled ty files.

pgfitzgerald
03-31-2003, 10:15 PM
I've continued to test...

I've had great results processing video from channels using PCM audio. No crashes, hangs, or errors. However, I have still been unable to process video from channels using Dolby Digital (either 2.0 or 5.1). No errors, but the audio simply does not sync with the video.

Is there anything I can do to assist?

Paul

Rowan
03-31-2003, 10:33 PM
Originally posted by pgfitzgerald
I've continued to test...

I've had great results processing video from channels using PCM audio. No crashes, hangs, or errors. However, I have still been unable to process video from channels using Dolby Digital (either 2.0 or 5.1). No errors, but the audio simply does not sync with the video.

Is there anything I can do to assist?

Paul

I need to do some more testing with streams that start as mpeg audio and then go to AC3 audio using tyeditor. Streams that start as AC3 should not have the problem.

pgfitzgerald
03-31-2003, 10:48 PM
I don't have any streams like that. I wasn't aware streams could start with mpeg audio and switch to AC3. As for AC3, I only have streams that start with AC3 2.0 and switch to AC3 5.1, or streams that are solely AC3 2.0.

Just let me know if I can be of any assistance.

Paul


Originally posted by Rowan
I need to do some more testing with streams that start as mpeg audio and then go to AC3 audio using tyeditor. Streams that start as AC3 should not have the problem.

MannyL
03-31-2003, 11:24 PM
Possibly a stupid question but if I'm using mfs_ftp to extract the .tmf and un-tar it to get the .ty alone do I still need tryserver on the TiVo for TySudio to work or can I use the .ty from mfs_ftp?

Jay-Hawks
03-31-2003, 11:58 PM
I seem to be having a problem.....

I had Tystudio up and running this morning, but this evening my Tivo was rebooted and after that I no longer able to retrieve my Now Showing list from my tivo. I'm not sure what happened, should I try and re-install it on the tivo by entering 'bash /var/tyserver.ppc.sh' or is there something else I should do?

Thanks....

olaf_sc
04-01-2003, 12:10 AM
Looks like you tivo didn't restart tyserver/tyindex for you.

Telnet to your tivo and cd to /var/index
do
./tyserver
./tyindex

Thats should fix it -

Please report this bug.

Cheers Olaf



Originally posted by Jay-Hawks
I seem to be having a problem.....

I had Tystudio up and running this morning, but this evening my Tivo was rebooted and after that I no longer able to retrieve my Now Showing list from my tivo. I'm not sure what happened, should I try and re-install it on the tivo by entering 'bash /var/tyserver.ppc.sh' or is there something else I should do?

Thanks....

newbie
04-01-2003, 12:11 AM
ps aux
see if tyserver and tyindex are running if not
manually load
change to var/index directory
./tyserver
./tyindex

I see Olaf beat me to the punch BUT see posts from Alpha Wolf(author of installation script). If you're using extreme you have to manually edit the script yourself.

teradia
04-01-2003, 12:12 AM
Jay - this is the same problem I had. Don't reinstall; just restart the server manually. (Go to /var/index/, type ./tyindex and then ./tyserver, then wait a little while for the indexer to get going and try again.)

BareMetal
04-01-2003, 12:22 AM
This issue is discussed here http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=23135&perpage=15&pagenumber=1

The problem is most likely that tyindex and tyserver are loaded after the exec bash statement. nothing will load after that statment in the rc.sysinit file, move the tyindex and tyserver lines above this line and you should be ready to go

Karpa
04-01-2003, 12:22 AM
Originally posted by BareMetal
Karpa

Can you get to a prompt and ping tivo. Try putting in the IP address of your tivo and see if that works for you.

I can telnet, ftp and I have a network connection to transfer files from a windows 'window.' Tivoweb works as well as everyting else associated with the tings we do. However, I cannot pull a .ty with tytools, nor tystudio. I cannot seem to figure out what the problem is. What other info can I provide to assist in diagnostics?

Karpa

Jay-Hawks
04-01-2003, 12:23 AM
Yep that fixed the problem!

Thanks.

I will report the problem....

olaf_sc
04-01-2003, 12:25 AM
Rowan - we should not have a stream that starts mpeg audio and then jump to ac3. The exception is, when the ac3 audio starts more than 200 chunks into the stream - on the other hand then we will just get those chunks remuxed - remaining chunks will be treated as faulty since the audio format isn't right. Hence we will never swith between ac3 and mpeg audio. If we switch well then it's a big bug :).

Cheers Olaf


Originally posted by Rowan
I need to do some more testing with streams that start as mpeg audio and then go to AC3 audio using tyeditor. Streams that start as AC3 should not have the problem.

BareMetal
04-01-2003, 01:27 AM
Originally posted by Karpa
I can telnet, ftp and I have a network connection to transfer files from a windows 'window.' Tivoweb works as well as everyting else associated with the tings we do. However, I cannot pull a .ty with tytools, nor tystudio. I cannot seem to figure out what the problem is. What other info can I provide to assist in diagnostics?

Karpa

first telnet into your tivo and type "ps aux" (with out the quotes). Look twords the end and see if you can see tyserver and tyindex listed. if not run "/var/index/tyserver" and "/var/index/tyindex" Now that these are running load the windows version of tystudio editor. Click on the "tools" menu and then "Options" and select the options you wish for video and audio. Then click on the "file locations" Tab. Fill in your Tivo's ip address and the locations of where you want the files to go. Then click on "OK". Now click on the "Click here to lad from Now Showing" button. In here you see that the ip address is listed ther for you. Click on the "Refresh" button. You should now see a list of shows from your tivo.

You should see an indexed colum, some of these should say yes, if none of them do... then wait about 15 min and hit the "refresh button again. Now choose a show you want to edit. The rest is easy and not part of the issue your having at this moment, so I won't go into it.


If there are problems, let me know exactly where the issue is your having and any errors that go with it.

CrypticGTX
04-01-2003, 01:51 AM
what is typical download speed I should get from the Tivo?
Window's Task Manager is showing around 7% of 100Mbits average.

Is that all the Tivo can push?

I have the Hughes GXCEBOT, with 2.5.2, Kraven update, TurboNet. PC is a 1.2 GHZ Athlon 512ram

BareMetal
04-01-2003, 02:30 AM
That really depends on a number of things. BTW I wouldn't trust the speeds that windows reports, it has been known to be pretty wrong.

The average user of turbonet should see between 1.5MBytes /s to 2 MBytes /s.

The average user of airnet should see between 160KBytes /s to 260 Kbyes /s.

I believe this to be pretty close.. someone feel free to correct me.

BubbleLamp
04-01-2003, 03:04 AM
Originally posted by CrypticGTX
what is typical download speed I should get from the Tivo?
Window's Task Manager is showing around 7% of 100Mbits average.

Is that all the Tivo can push?

I have the Hughes GXCEBOT, with 2.5.2, Kraven update, TurboNet. PC is a 1.2 GHZ Athlon 512ram

100Mbps is 12.5MBs. So if you take 10% of that, it comes out on the low side, at 1.25MBps. Off, but probably within the margin of error. You'd be better off using PerfMon if you want to check Ethernet traffic more accurately.

Karpa
04-01-2003, 08:08 AM
Originally posted by BareMetal

If there are problems, let me know exactly where the issue is your having and any errors that go with it.

Did what you said.




root 296 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? SW Mar 30 0:00 /var/index/tyserver
root 298 1.8 10.3 3848 2892 ? S Mar 31 36:42 /var/index/tyindex
root 797 0.0 0.0 0 0 p0 SW Mar 30 0:00 /bin/bash -login
root 800 0.0 0.0 0 0 p0 RW Mar 30 0:00 ps aux
/var/hack#


I have the settings on DVD video, 48000 audio and tivo location set as 192.168.1.101. When I press the button for get list, I ge the error Failed to obtain the Now Showing list from Tivo.


/var/index# ls -l
total 1243
drwxr-xr-x 2 0 0 2048 Apr 1 12:05 index
-rw------- 1 0 0 21949 Apr 1 12:21 nowshowing
-rwxr-xr-x 1 0 0 616394 Mar 30 21:37 tyindex
-rwxr-xr-x 1 0 0 621693 Mar 30 21:37 tyserver
/var/index#



Everything is present, correct?

Thanks
Karpa

captain_video
04-01-2003, 09:06 AM
I wasn't aware streams could start with mpeg audio and switch to AC3.

This is very commonplace with PPV movies. The 1st 30 seconds or so consist of the DTV intro (movie rating and such) and the audio is mpeg II. The AC3 stream doesn't start until the movie begins. Tydemux scans the stream to determine which type of audio is prevalent. It should skip past the mpeg II intro and start where the AC3 audio stream begins.

LooNTooNs
04-01-2003, 10:05 AM
Well After a smooth job in Tystudio I used DVD workshop to burn. The process took HOURS, now I know I need to change tivos resolution.
I burned a kids movie for my daughter and while I put it on this morn for her while I was in the shower, when I came out she said look daddy, the audio sync was way off. is this a TYstudio problem or DVD workshop?

MrBassMan
04-01-2003, 10:07 AM
Originally posted by LooNTooNs
when I came out she said look daddy, the audio sync was way off.

Wow - Bright kid!

LooNTooNs
04-01-2003, 10:09 AM
And she is only 2!!!!

bato
04-01-2003, 11:07 AM
Originally posted by LooNTooNs
Well After a smooth job in Tystudio I used DVD workshop to burn. The process took HOURS, now I know I need to change tivos resolution.
I burned a kids movie for my daughter and while I put it on this morn for her while I was in the shower, when I came out she said look daddy, the audio sync was way off. is this a TYstudio problem or DVD workshop?
If took hours then it reencoded, and I bet there is the problem. Change your resolution (if SA) or patch header (if Dtivo) and work again with Workshop and make sure it takes only minutes this time. Then check the sync again.

artships
04-01-2003, 01:48 PM
Originally posted by LooNTooNs
Well After a smooth job in Tystudio I used DVD workshop to burn.

Two JonathanCreek episodes, 544x480, fetched from a Sony 2K SA via mfs_ftp. The only part of TyStudio I used was tydemux. Excised adverts and transcoded via TMPGenc. Each mpg played fine in PowerDVD. Woohoo!

TMPGEnc's MPEG Tools Merge&Cut to join the two shows. Joint mpg played fine. Woohoo!

Created VOBs with Ulead DVD Movie Factory. Lost audio sync almost immediately, becoming 3 seconds off by the end of the last VOB. Boohoo!

The sync is better than with the first beta, though.

old7
04-01-2003, 03:52 PM
Originally posted by captain_video
This is very commonplace with PPV movies. The 1st 30 seconds or so consist of the DTV intro (movie rating and such) and the audio is mpeg II. The AC3 stream doesn't start until the movie begins. Tydemux scans the stream to determine which type of audio is prevalent. It should skip past the mpeg II intro and start where the AC3 audio stream begins.

I believe that they are suggesting that if you are using digital audio what you always have is AC3. It might start out as AC3 2.0 and then switch to AC3 5.1, but you will not have mpeg II audio that switches to AC3. To do this you would have to enable the digital audio option during the recording. Even then I don't think it would switch. It should continue to record mpeg II audio and on the next recording switch to AC3. I haven't tested this to be certain.

Old7

Frogbutt
04-02-2003, 07:09 AM
Is there a delete option that im not seeing in the nowshowing window or whatever its called? If not it would be a nice feature so I can mass delete like in tytool.

newlooper
04-02-2003, 07:43 AM
OK I have to ask... The people that are having problems with audio sync after transcoding with TMPGEnc, are you using elemental streams or system streams when transcoding? In other words, are you trancoding the resulting mpg as the audio and video source or the elemental audio and video streams as the source?

I have found that if you transcode the Generic mpg II output of TyStudio using the templates supplied with TMPG it works 100% of the time! Granted, it takes a long time, but the results are outstanding. :)

RxMan
04-02-2003, 09:58 AM
Why would someone want to transcode the mpgII output from TyStudio?

newbie
04-02-2003, 10:53 AM
You had to do that with the output from tytools6. AFAIK the output from tystudio is OK without that extra step.




Originally posted by RxMan
Why would someone want to transcode the mpgII output from TyStudio?

rbird
04-02-2003, 01:17 PM
Originally posted by RxMan
Why would someone want to transcode the mpgII output from TyStudio? Personally, I don't have a DVD burner, so to get something compatible with my DVD players, I need MPEG-1, and the best way I've found to get it is TMPGEnc. Nothing I'm archiving needs to be DVD quality, anyway.

For what it's worth, the shows I've tried with Beta 2 have all synced properly. Beta 1 gave me troubles (out of sync after the first cut), but the problems seem to be gone now.

Bob

davids66
04-02-2003, 01:31 PM
I created a DVD mpg file and tried to load it into SpruceUp. I received the following error:

Error in the System Header - Information in its component elementary streams may be corrupted.

Maybe it is non-standard? Anyone else with this problem?

I find if I bring it into TMPGEnc into "Merge and Cut" but do nothing but regenerate it, then it works fine. The interesting thing is that the regenerated mpg file size is 5 MB less and then works flawlessly.

I guess I will put it in the bug report.

David

Edit: I failed to mention that this SpurceUp has been patched to properly handle 480x480

artships
04-02-2003, 01:50 PM
Originally posted by newlooper
The people that are having problems with audio sync after transcoding with TMPGEnc, are you using elemental streams or system streams when transcoding?

I'm feeding TMPGEnc the frameserved (DVD2AVI) m2v (d2v) and the m2a files from tydemux.

I have found that if you transcode the Generic mpg II output of TyStudio using the templates supplied with TMPG it works 100% of the time!

Ah, let tystudio mux the files, then feed that to TMPGEnc? Hmm... I'll give it a try tonight.

bwperez
04-02-2003, 02:22 PM
Ok, I'm using MyDVD to burn DVD's and having very little luck importing DVD output from TyStudio. Where can I purchase a copy of spruceup since it has been discontinued? There has to be some source still out there.

Brian

BubbleLamp
04-02-2003, 02:34 PM
Originally posted by newlooper
I have found that if you transcode the Generic mpg II output of TyStudio using the templates supplied with TMPG it works 100% of the time! Granted, it takes a long time, but the results are outstanding. :)

This is what we're doing now with the TyTool output files. Seems like both apps suffer from some anomolies in their output formats that TMPGEnc is fixing.

captain_video
04-02-2003, 02:34 PM
There's a link for it in the How Tos Only sticky on page 3. Here's the link to download SpruceUp:

http://www.afterdawn.com/software/video_software/dvd-r_tools/spruceup.cfm

Here's the link for the patch to make it a registered version.

http://dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=75757&highlight=SpruceUp#post75757

Make sure you read the nfo file for instructions on how to apply the patch. It is somewhat involved but not all that difficult if you follow the instructions.

newlooper
04-02-2003, 04:19 PM
Originally posted by BubbleLamp
This is what we're doing now with the TyTool output files. Seems like both apps suffer from some anomolies in their output formats that TMPGEnc is fixing .


I agree. It seems a litlle cleanup seems to be in order by TMPG. Now the 64 million dollar question: What is missing?

ruiner
04-02-2003, 07:37 PM
I've run the sample command from the website on a few .ty files I've grabbed from my dtivo:


typrocess -i infile.ty -o outfile.mpg -mplex { -f 3 } -demux

The resulting files play quite nicely but they're HUGE. One sample is an hour long star trek (TOS) which is 512M as a .ty files but after the above typrocess it bloats out to 3.3G as a .mpg.

Similarly a 1.1G .ty of roswell turns into a 6.7G .mpg

The processing time for this is pretty minimal at 5 and 10 minutes respectively so I'm pretty sure there's no actual re-encoding going on. I am guessing that there is some sort of padding being added. Anyone know how to [list=a]
Avoid the bloat
Figure out what's going on, or
Eliminate the padding after the fact
[/list=a]

laserfan
04-02-2003, 08:53 PM
Originally posted by davids66
I created a DVD mpg file and tried to load it into SpruceUp. I received the following error:

Error in the System Header - Information in its component elementary streams may be corrupted.

Maybe it is non-standard? Anyone else with this problem?...I had this very problem today and was not able to fix it. I tried Simple Demux w/TMPGEnc but the resulting elementary streams lost sync at the edit points. Was your DVD mpg file edited? I will try "merge & cut" to see if it works as yours did.

EDIT: Tried Merge & Cut and again the program loses sync at the cuts. No joy.

I have several SA tystreams that have given TyEditor terrible fits. Some that have demuxed & transcoded without error, and even import to SpruceUp OK, but then on Export to Title Set I get an error "this is not an acceptable DVD frame rate" some significant distance into the export. Maddening. Since I've used mostly tserver_mfs6 tys I even extracted one w/mfs_ftp1.2.5 and had similar bizarre problems, so it doesn't seem to be the result of the extraction method.

The other funky thing I've seen is TyEditor'ed Elementary Streams which upon import to SpruceUp lose audio completely at certain edit points, and can no longer be assigned Chapter markers either. Bizarre.

Since I'd been using Elementary Streams to this point, I tried outputting to DVD which appeared to work, and even input these to my Canopus MPEG Cutter which does very accurate cuts compared to TyEditor, but that's when I got this System Header error in Spruce. Tried DVDPatcher on it--no good.

I've burned about 15 wonderful DVDs since B1 was released a couple Saturdays ago, but have maybe 4 streams that I can't get to work. I'd love to submit them, but the problems are so wierd that I don't know where the problems are. Maybe I should at least upload the errorlogs...

Fugg
04-02-2003, 11:29 PM
Originally posted by ruiner
I've run the sample command from the website on a few .ty files I've grabbed from my dtivo:


typrocess -i infile.ty -o outfile.mpg -mplex { -f 3 } -demux

The resulting files play quite nicely but they're HUGE. One sample is an hour long star trek (TOS) which is 512M as a .ty files but after the above typrocess it bloats out to 3.3G as a .mpg.

Similarly a 1.1G .ty of roswell turns into a 6.7G .mpg

...
try using { -f 8 } instead of { -f 3 }
:)

bato
04-03-2003, 12:58 AM
Originally posted by BubbleLamp
This is what we're doing now with the TyTool output files. Seems like both apps suffer from some anomolies in their output formats that TMPGEnc is fixing.
We simple multiplex with TMPGEnc and TyTool output files, we do not transcode with the DVD templates that TMPGEnc have.

ruiner
04-03-2003, 12:58 AM
Originally posted by Fugg
try using { -f 8 } instead of { -f 3 }
:)

That did it. I guess the mplex docs are not so accurate. Or maybe I don't understand what "Generic MPEG2" means.

Thanks.

justauser
04-03-2003, 01:27 AM
OK, OK, maybe this is just a sign of my stupidity, but I've searched for answer and didn't find (or so I think).....

Have re-set SA TIVO (medium) capture to be at 720x480...
Just recorded "The West Wing", in that "new" resolution....
Imported to TyStudio and then "encoded".....
Encoding fails (invalid cut point) but I'm unable to discern where the problem is....

How do you relate "invalid cut point" message in TyStudio Editor to where the actual cut points are??

Thanks.

MrBassMan
04-03-2003, 06:31 AM
Originally posted by justauser
OK, OK, maybe this is just a sign of my stupidity, but I've searched for answer and didn't find (or so I think).....

Have re-set SA TIVO (medium) capture to be at 720x480...
Just recorded "The West Wing", in that "new" resolution....
Imported to TyStudio and then "encoded".....
Encoding fails (invalid cut point) but I'm unable to discern where the problem is....

How do you relate "invalid cut point" message in TyStudio Editor to where the actual cut points are??

Thanks.

It is usualy because you have a cut start followed by another cut start or a cut stop followed by another cut stop. Check the cut list to make sure you have cut start, cut stop, cut start, cut stop.. etc. Invalid ones should be highlighted red.

To find a cutpoint in the stream, double click it or use the locate button.

captain_video
04-03-2003, 08:53 AM
If you pull down the View menu and set it to display frames instead of time then the invalid cut point is easy to spot by looking in the log file that pops up following the error. The frame number is identified in the log file. Just click on the cut point with that frame number and then click on Locate. Then click on Remove selected to delete the invalid cut point from the marker list. Make sure you save the marker list after making any corrections. Otherwise, any changes you make will be lost if another error occurs (i.e. another invalid cut point) because you will have to reimport the ty file and marker file to make any corrections.

Use the < or > button to move the cut point one frame to the left or right of the invalid cut. I find that if it's a Start cut point then move the cut one frame to the left. If it's a Stop cut point then move it one frame to the right. This way the excessively wide gap between I-frames is included in the excised portion of the video.

Droidyman
04-03-2003, 08:55 AM
Yippee, got beta2 to run on w2k in Virtual PC on OSX. I can now say goodbye to my old PC. The only trouble is I have to decode to QT to resize and re-encode back to MPG2. My question was is there any way of not re-multiplexing? Just leaving the mpv and mpa files, it would save having to demux them again.

Pr.Sinister
04-03-2003, 09:24 AM
Originally posted by BubbleLamp
This is what we're doing now with the TyTool output files. Seems like both apps suffer from some anomolies in their output formats that TMPGEnc is fixing.

Actually we are not transcoding. We are Re-Muxing...

Transcode might take hours when remuxing is just a few minutes.

-Pr.

spinxter
04-03-2003, 03:07 PM
I just installed this program yesterday. So far:

Not all shows on my TiVo appear in TyStudio. Most do, but a few don't. Example: my wife taped Dawson's Creek last night. Tivoweb shows it being in Now Showing. Looking at the TiVo on the TV shows it being in Now Showing. TyStudio says nothing about it (no matter how many times I hit "refresh").

Tried to copy a file to PC and edit it. TyStudio failed.

Tried to edit a file on the TiVo then extract it (yes, it was indexed). TyStudio failed.

I have not gotten one single successful file from this software, and I can't even get it to show all of the recordings on my unit. What the hell?

Neutronflux
04-03-2003, 04:57 PM
Spinxter -- what system are you running, what OS? What version of tyeditor are you running beta 2? did you try transferring the file as a .ty with tyeditor or mfs-ftp -- and then editing [and indexing] the file locally?

spinxter
04-03-2003, 05:01 PM
Originally posted by Neutronflux
Spinxter -- what system are you running, what OS? What version of tyeditor are you running beta 2? did you try transferring the file as a .ty with tyeditor or mfs-ftp -- and then editing [and indexing] the file locally?

OS is in my signature. Yes, beta 2. As stated in my post, I did try to edit locally. The answers to all of these questions have already been given to you. ;)

laserfan
04-03-2003, 05:06 PM
I have been successfully burning DVDs, using tserver_mfs6-extracted tystreams (haven't installed the Tivo side of TyStudio). I open a local ty with TyEditor, cut it, and Process to Elementary or DVD files for import to SpruceUp.

I've been having terrible trouble with Beta 2, and today's ty (4Gb) was being really difficult: both the Elementary streams and the DVD.mpg attempts I made would not import to SpruceUp, and in the end I couldn't even get the ty to index to TyEditor (it would give-up mid-ty where earlier it went thru w/o complaining).

Finally, I gave up, uninstalled Beta 2, and reinstalled Beta 1 (w/a reboot; do you need to reboot?). Anyway this "problem tystream" worked under Beta 1 first time perfectly. I cut the thing and output as Elementary streams, it input to SpruceUp w/no errors, I applied 10 Chapter Markers to it, and output to a Title Set. All no sweat.

So there is something newly very wrong with Beta 2 of TyEditor, TyDemux, or TyTranscode (mine are SA streams that need 48kHz audio transcode).

snoopy
04-03-2003, 05:13 PM
Originally posted by laserfan
I have been successfully burning DVDs, using tserver_mfs6-extracted tystreams (haven't installed the Tivo side of TyStudio). I open a local ty with TyEditor, cut it, and Process to Elementary or DVD files for import to SpruceUp.

I've been having terrible trouble with Beta 2, and today's ty (4Gb) was being really difficult: both the Elementary streams and the DVD.mpg attempts I made would not import to SpruceUp, and in the end I couldn't even get the ty to index to TyEditor (it would give-up mid-ty where earlier it went thru w/o complaining).

Finally, I gave up, uninstalled Beta 2, and reinstalled Beta 1 (w/a reboot; do you need to reboot?). Anyway this "problem tystream" worked under Beta 1 first time perfectly. I cut the thing and output as Elementary streams, it input to SpruceUp w/no errors, I applied 10 Chapter Markers to it, and output to a Title Set. All no sweat.

So there is something newly very wrong with Beta 2 of TyEditor, TyDemux, or TyTranscode (mine are SA streams that need 48kHz audio transcode).

According to Olaf, Jdiner's TY files have a bug in them that will not allow Olaf's tools to work with some of them.

newbie
04-03-2003, 05:31 PM
If tyindex stops running new shows won't appear in tystudio now showing. I wonder if you have the wrong version of tyserver and tyindex on your tivo? Go to tivo, ps aux, kill tyserver and tyindex (if they're running) delete them and then reinstall the tivo files.




Originally posted by spinxter
I just installed this program yesterday. So far:

Not all shows on my TiVo appear in TyStudio. Most do, but a few don't.

bbarry
04-03-2003, 05:34 PM
Will there be a version for win98se or me?

spinxter
04-03-2003, 05:57 PM
Originally posted by newbie
If tyindex stops running new shows won't appear in tystudio now showing. I wonder if you have the wrong version of tyserver and tyindex on your tivo? Go to tivo, ps aux, kill tyserver and tyindex (if they're running) delete them and then reinstall the tivo files.

I am running the Beta 2 files. I didn't install Beta 1. All the shows that are displayed show as indexed. Shows that were recorded after the "missing" ones are displayed and shown as indexed. I recorded South Park last night, and it showed up in the Now Showing, but not until a couple hours after it finished recording. Very puzzling...

AlphaWolf
04-03-2003, 06:17 PM
Originally posted by bbarry
Will there be a version for win98se or me?

It should already work fine with the win_shittier OSes, but you'll always have the 2gb limit, and thats simply unavoidable.

spinxter
04-03-2003, 06:24 PM
Originally posted by AlphaWolf
It should already work fine with the win_shittier OSes, but you'll always have the 2gb limit, and thats simply unavoidable.

FAT32 sucks ass. All hail NTFS!

I believe the filesize limit is 4GB, however.

newlooper
04-03-2003, 07:10 PM
Spinxter-

You are correct. Fat32 under 2000 and XP will support 4GB. The win9x OS is still limited to 2GB

AlphaWolf
04-03-2003, 08:12 PM
IIRC, the win_shittier kernel can't even read 2g+ files that are on a network mount.

newlooper
04-03-2003, 08:43 PM
If anybody cares the 1.3 patch has been released on their website, not very special though.

misato
04-04-2003, 01:07 AM
Originally posted by spinxter
... I recorded South Park last night, and it showed up in the Now Showing, but not until a couple hours after it finished recording. Very puzzling...

TyIndex runs at low priority to avoid overwhelming the tivo's CPU, so it'll take a while before a recording shows as having been indexed. That's normal behavior.

BillyZ
04-04-2003, 02:05 AM
All hail ext3

:p


Originally posted by spinxter
FAT32 sucks ass. All hail NTFS!

I believe the filesize limit is 4GB, however.

spinxter
04-04-2003, 07:42 AM
Originally posted by misato
TyIndex runs at low priority to avoid overwhelming the tivo's CPU, so it'll take a while before a recording shows as having been indexed. That's normal behavior.

No. You misunderstand. It took a couple of hours for the show to appear AT ALL.

dlang
04-04-2003, 08:47 AM
I had shows that didn't show up with tyindex for days after they were recorded (and shows that were on the tivo when tyindex was started remained days after they wwere deleted from the tivo)

I ended up having to kill and restart tyindex

misato
04-04-2003, 09:18 AM
Originally posted by spinxter
No. You misunderstand. It took a couple of hours for the show to appear AT ALL.

Ah, okay. Yes, as dlang noted, tyindex seems to die from time to time. I find myself killing and restarting it more or less daily.

JasonJLee
04-04-2003, 10:42 AM
Forgive the slight change of topic, but this issue will soon become a lot more important once a few issues have been dealt with..

Does anyone have any clue as to when/if the ability to CREATE .ty files may be added to tysudio...

To explain...

I shortly will have the ability to record whole Mux'es of UK TV channels, directly onto the pc, not captured via Tivo or analogue, but the actual mpeg streams. (I know this isn't new to you DTivo owners, but its kinda new in the uk)

What I would like to do,

1.take mpg nice tidy clean mpeg
2.convert to ty

(anything not up to scratch can fail and we can be told 'not tidy enough' and go away and use any number of mpeg tools to fixup)

3.push to tivo via the existing methods

Same goes for TV shows which I download. I'd rather watch them on the TiVo, and for now, I have nowhere to put another PC, and the Girlfriend HATES me interfering with the tv setup and Tivo, as its the only gadget that she uses..

Now back what seems like a year ago, I played with ele2striple or whatever its called, and just about got away with a working Tivo.

Can anyone throw any light on this? I would think that anyone who can write a ty>mpg convertor must have a good idea of what the ty parts of the stream mean and maybe how to generate them?

It's nearly the only piece missing now, and I want to try to keep it on peoples radar's

J
[edited for clarification of one point]

newlooper
04-04-2003, 01:13 PM
The insertion process is a little more complicated than that. Inserting pre-existing .ty files is np.

However, I think it has been stated before probably by AW. The actual structure of a .ty file and conversion from mpg to that structure is still somewhat unknown.

I don't think that is a top priority right now.

Sorry:(

wadevb
04-04-2003, 02:01 PM
This is more of an FYI out there for those who are not as intimate with their tivo's as some. After installing beta2, I had tyindex and tyserver inserted twice in my /etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit file. The install script did not detect that they were allready there.

jalex9
04-04-2003, 02:25 PM
FWIW

I ran the beta2 tyserver.ppc.sh on top of what beta1 had installed and rebooted TiVo.

Looking at my rc.sysinit there is only one entry for both tyindex and tyserver....

jasonber
04-05-2003, 02:05 PM
Yay! Beta 2 works.

Some quirks though:

- If I do a DVD video and AC3 audio, I never get prompted to save the AC3 file, and it always halts at some point.

- It only works if I do the DVD video by itself, and then later go back and do an elemental video and AC3 stream.

But it works!

invader zog
04-05-2003, 02:57 PM
Originally posted by bwperez
Ok, I'm using MyDVD to burn DVD's and having very little luck importing DVD output from TyStudio. Where can I purchase a copy of spruceup since it has been discontinued? There has to be some source still out there.

Brian

I haven't had any luck either. What I've been doing (this really only works for movies) is to use IFOedit to author the DVDs.

You can then burn w/ Nero -- or you can use the image creating tool w/ ifoedit to create an image and then burn it with Recordnow.

AlphaWolf
04-05-2003, 05:12 PM
Originally posted by wadevb
This is more of an FYI out there for those who are not as intimate with their tivo's as some. After installing beta2, I had tyindex and tyserver inserted twice in my /etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit file. The install script did not detect that they were allready there.

Odd...nonetheless, if it detects that they aren't there, it will still ask you if you want to add them, just make sure that you answer no if you know that it's already there.

Neutronflux
04-06-2003, 01:22 AM
I don't know about you guys -- but I have yet to be able to create a dvd
with usable video with audio that's in synch... has anyone else had as much
problems as I have with tyeditor??? It seems to me as though the mpeg
timecode produced by tyeditor is off --- or otherwise corrupted.

I've used all the options available, svcd, program mpeg, dvd - transcoded
audio, non transcoded audio --- 48000 41000 -- an mpeg dump [producing a
single muxed video output] IS in synch, but demuxing produced messed up
audio synch - as does an straight elemental dump from tyeditor....

what are your experiences?

snoopy
04-06-2003, 01:28 AM
Originally posted by Neutronflux
I don't know about you guys -- but I have yet to be able to create a dvd
with usable video with audio that's in synch... has anyone else had as much
problems as I have with tyeditor??? It seems to me as though the mpeg
timecode produced by tyeditor is off --- or otherwise corrupted.

I've used all the options available, svcd, program mpeg, dvd - transcoded
audio, non transcoded audio --- 48000 41000 -- an mpeg dump [producing a
single muxed video output] IS in synch, but demuxing produced messed up
audio synch - as does an straight elemental dump from tyeditor....

what are your experiences?

Yes, not to mention the number of steps so far.
Perhaps one day soon we will have a working version of either TYStudio or TYtool.

saltydog4791
04-06-2003, 05:07 AM
Originally posted by Neutronflux
I don't know about you guys -- but I have yet to be able to create a dvd
with usable video with audio that's in synch... has anyone else had as much
problems as I have with tyeditor??? It seems to me as though the mpeg
timecode produced by tyeditor is off --- or otherwise corrupted.

I've used all the options available, svcd, program mpeg, dvd - transcoded
audio, non transcoded audio --- 48000 41000 -- an mpeg dump [producing a
single muxed video output] IS in synch, but demuxing produced messed up
audio synch - as does an straight elemental dump from tyeditor....

what are your experiences?

I am having the same problems. On everything I do it seems that the audio is about a half to 1 second behind. This is really starting to frustrate me. This is using the gui to edit and then output to elemental and no transcoding for the audio. I really don't see how I can manually compensate for it after the fact either. I am using sizzle on os x to make the dvd images, and then burning using disk copy. The project I am working on now is archiving NBA's Greatest Games off of NBA TV and every time a shot hits the rim, I hear it a second later. Very irritating. I think I will just save my ty's until this gets resolved, if ever. It's a good thing I shave my head, otherwise I would have pulled it all out by now. :)

saltydog4791

artships
04-06-2003, 05:44 AM
Originally posted by Neutronflux
I have yet to be able to create a dvd
with usable video with audio that's in synch...

PowerDVD plays them just fine. Ulead DVD Moviefactory creates VOB files out of synch.

Ifoedit, on the other hand, creates vob files in synch.

laserfan
04-06-2003, 07:50 AM
Originally posted by Neutronflux
I don't know about you guys -- but I have yet to be able to create a dvd
with usable video with audio that's in synch...What kind of Tivo/tystreams are you processing? I've made 20 DVDs from SA tys since Beta 1 arrived, and all are in perfect sync. Kudos and sloppy kisses to all on the development team! Steps are easy but time-consuming. Note most of my tys were extracted using tserver_mfs tho I changed yesterday to mfs_ftp in ty mode:
1. Import tystream to TyEditor
2. Edit and output (Process) as Elementary Streams, including Transcode (resample actually) 32kHz SA audio to 48kHz
3. Import to SpruceUp; make Chapter markers and menus, output as Title Set; test from VIDEO_TS on hard drive
4. Use Nero to burn as UDF/ISO DVD

I do have 5 or 6 programs (tystreams) that have given me fits, and I found out that Beta 2 doesn't work as well as Beta 1 (so I uninstalled Beta 2 and re-installed Beta 1), but TyStudio has already been a godsend as my HDs, both PC and Tivo, had gotten loaded to the max. The problem tys either do not edit w/TyEditor or they appear to output OK but then either don't input properly to SpruceUp, or they input OK but don't allow assignment of Chapter markers after edit points, or they lose sync. I hope these problems are tystudio issues and not corrupted tys--so I'm holding these problem tys for future releases.

I'm trying to get psyched-up to install-and-learn Maestro, as one critical need I have that SpruceUp won't accommodate is the playing of clips from one to the other. I need to build a music compilation disc but don't want to have to play each clip individually from a menu, I want them to play contiguously from beginning to end. Would love to hear comments from those who have migrated from SpruceUp to Maestro as to how difficult the learning curve is.

RxMan
04-06-2003, 09:53 AM
The learning curve isn't too bad, but, maestro is completely different. There are a few tutorials for it too.

Is your music compliation DVD going to be music videos? I have tried to do this with TyStudio Beta2 and noticed that you can't get the cuts anywhere close to where needed. Either the music video credit at the end gets cut off or the video continues into the next one before stopping. Precision cuts are needed for music videos and TyStudio can't do that (at least for me).

laserfan
04-06-2003, 10:35 AM
Originally posted by RxMan
The learning curve isn't too bad, but, maestro is completely different. There are a few tutorials for it too.

Is your music compliation DVD going to be music videos? I have tried to do this with TyStudio Beta2 and noticed that you can't get the cuts anywhere close to where needed. Either the music video credit at the end gets cut off or the video continues into the next one before stopping. Precision cuts are needed for music videos and TyStudio can't do that (at least for me). Thanks for your comments. My compilation is actually live performances snipped-out of SNLs and other TV shows, but most all were done pre-tystudio. I hope the boys get it whipped into shape eventually. In the meantime I've had l limited success Processing out of TyEditor to "DVD.mpg" mode and cutting with another tool I have (Canopus MPEG Cutter).

RxMan
04-06-2003, 11:43 AM
Yeah,
I have been looking for a program to do that. With TyEditor, I could get the mpeg cut out from the larger one and then use another program to make more precise cuts. Would you mind PM'ing the link to the mpeg cutter? A google search lead me no where.

laserfan
04-06-2003, 01:53 PM
Canopus' MPEG Cutter is a util that came w/their MVR1000 hardware [encoding] card, is nowhere online that I know of, but regardless can't be installed to a system that does not have this card installed (I've tried!).

Note I tried MPEG-VCR from Womble on these dvd.mpgs and they don't retain sync. I don't recall if I've tried TMPGEnc Plus on these particular mpgs yet...

laserfan
04-06-2003, 01:56 PM
Sorry, wrong forum!

snoopy
04-06-2003, 02:01 PM
Originally posted by laserfan
Can anyone here who's tried Beta3RC1 suggest to me why this setup.exe file might not install for me (win32 file). I get a very nasty "illegal instruction" error on launch.

Sounds like a personality conflict to me. Consult your psychiatrist immediately.

RxMan
04-06-2003, 03:17 PM
That's not good news. I was just trying out mpeg-vcr myself. I thought I had sync, but, I will have to check again.

laserfan
04-06-2003, 03:59 PM
I think the "bottom line" is that some edits result in loss-of-sync, but it's not clear yet under what circumstances this happens. IOW sometimes it works, and sometimes it doesn't...

defsrg
04-06-2003, 05:01 PM
ok i have always used tytool to extract to start with,with that being said i installed tyserver as i have read that tystreams extracted with tytool dont always work well with tystudio. i installed tyserver and after reboot did ps aux to see if tyserever and tyindex were running,they are, now i get my now showing lsit to load but when i go to extract a show i get 200 indexing which quickly changes to 200 still indexing. does this process take a long time for extraction or does it just need time to index all the shows then it will be faster? just curious and probaly jumping the gun
thanx

RxMan
04-06-2003, 05:27 PM
Yeah. It may take awhile. You can click the copy to pc button and then extract.

defsrg
04-06-2003, 05:30 PM
figured as much thanx dude

LooNTooNs
04-06-2003, 08:38 PM
Having Some Lockups that just stated today on my Tivo. Is there a way to uninstall TYstudio (tivo side), to see if the lockups go away for a while. If so how do I uninstall tyserver?



Thanks

Seth

newlooper
04-06-2003, 09:25 PM
just kill tyserver and tyindex and see what happens.:D

ykips
04-06-2003, 09:31 PM
I've been trying to download recorded ty-streams from Phillips DSR 6000 with extreme 3.1 and properly installed TyStudio 2 beta.
In GUI I get a Now Showing list with nothing indexed even though tyindex appears to be running. All the files in/var/index/index are of size 0. When I try to retrieve any of the streams on the list it just hangs at the progress bar 0% forever.
Using command prompt ends with following error:

D:\TyFiles>tyget -t 192.168.1.20 -o test.ty -f 1227195
demux: Error getting okay message - 400 Probe of requested stream faild

Error Opening remote tystream

D:\TyFiles>

Any ideas?

Thank you.

BubbleLamp
04-06-2003, 09:36 PM
Originally posted by ykips
I've been trying to download recorded ty-streams from Phillips DSR 6000 with extreme 3.1 and properly installed TyStudio 2 beta.
In GUI I get a Now Showing list with nothing indexed even though tyindex appears to be running. All the files in/var/index/index are of size 0. When I try to retrieve any of the streams on the list it just hangs at the progress bar 0% forever.
Using command prompt ends with following error:

D:\TyFiles>tyget -t 192.168.1.20 -o test.ty -f 1227195
demux: Error getting okay message - 400 Probe of requested stream faild

Error Opening remote tystream

D:\TyFiles>

Any ideas?

Thank you.

Sounds like you're trying to extract scrambled recordings, which can't be done. You need to run noscramble.

LooNTooNs
04-07-2003, 08:40 AM
I would like to remove it from the sysinit for a while. what does the installer change and add to it? Can I just comment it out?

ykips
04-07-2003, 11:32 AM
Originally posted by BubbleLamp
Sounds like you're trying to extract scrambled recordings, which can't be done. You need to run noscramble.

Thanks BubbleLamp! That's what I suspected. Ran AlphaWolf's noscramble patch on kernel and recorded a new 1hr show for testing. Obviously, this is the only clip that shows up as indexed in the Now Showing list.

Copying on the other hand seems to be on a slow side - its at 13% after 45 min and activity on the hub is barely noticeable. Is that normal or is there anything I can do to speed it up?
Thanks again.

snoopy
04-07-2003, 12:50 PM
Originally posted by ykips

Copying on the other hand seems to be on a slow side - its at 13% after 45 min and activity on the hub is barely noticeable. Is that normal or is there anything I can do to speed it up?
Thanks again.

Yes, This is normal. Give it some time and indexing will take place. Things will run alot faster then.

newbie
04-07-2003, 01:18 PM
NOT NORMAL, should be a lot faster. Do a search and you'll find some tips:
1) you want to use a swtich not a hub
2) make sure your network is configured for 100
3) try putting your Dtivo in standby
4) upgrade your turbonet drivers.

saltydog4791
04-07-2003, 03:01 PM
Tystudio is great. It's got everything but the kitchen sync.


Sorry, just frustrated. :(

saltydog4791

DPF
04-07-2003, 03:28 PM
Anyone seeing crap-outs as a result of update to version 4. Setting my TiVo up this week, TyStudio looks very appealing, wondering what will happen/is happening as a result of the newly released Version 4.0 for SA S2 TiVos. Compatibility? Codec changes? etc.

-DPF

AlphaWolf
04-07-2003, 04:25 PM
Well, you're thinking a bit ahead here. You can't even run any unsigned software on 4.0, let alone see if the current software will not be compatible.

ykips
04-07-2003, 04:42 PM
Originally posted by newbie
NOT NORMAL, should be a lot faster. Do a search and you'll find some tips:
1) you want to use a swtich not a hub
2) make sure your network is configured for 100
3) try putting your Dtivo in standby
4) upgrade your turbonet drivers.

It is a Linksys EZXS55W EtherFast 10/100 5-port Auto-Sensing Switch. Network is configured at 100 Full Duplex. Come to think of it, I've had problems with these small switches running in 100BaseT Full Duplex mode before. Collision lights are constantly on. Knocking them back to Half Duplex usually makes them alot happier. I'll try it out as soon as I get a chance.
What's the fastest way to check duplex mode on turbonet? Drivers should be fairly recent - installed about a month ago along with Extreme 3.1.

Thanks guys!

George Martinez
04-07-2003, 09:13 PM
This may be a newbie question, but I have so far been able to successfully view a TY file after converting to MPEG and then to AVI with MPEG Mediator. The problem with this is that the files are huge in AVI format. Is there anyway to convert to the MPEG files generated by TyStudio directly, or to convert them to an MPEG format that will be recognized by Windows Media Player?

Pete Ruttman
04-07-2003, 09:50 PM
I'd suggest skipping wmp and try power dvd if you can.

RxMan
04-07-2003, 10:00 PM
PowerDVD or WinDVD.

misato
04-08-2003, 02:43 AM
Originally posted by George Martinez
... Is there anyway to convert to the MPEG files generated by TyStudio directly, or to convert them to an MPEG format that will be recognized by Windows Media Player?

Doing another MPEG encode at that point would guarantee playable MPEG, but it would take hours (and I really mean hours) to encode each file. Do that only if you need to make perfect edits, using an AVI-type editor.

Chances are you have a bad MPEG codec installed, since the mpgs produced by tystudio (when it works...it doesn't always) should play in MSMP. They likely also play through a hardware dvd card, such as Creative Encore or Sigma Designs Hollywood card, regardless the condition of your mpeg codecs, since the hardware cards *are* their own codecs...they don't use the software ones installed in your system.

If all else fails, and you're determined to play mpg via MSMP or another software player that uses the system codecs, then a clean OS install, then Power DVD (which has good codecs) to make sure those and only those codecs are installed for mpeg would likely work, though of course it'd be a nuisance doing that.

KingCurly
04-08-2003, 07:27 AM
I've pulled off my first ty using tystudio beta2 (GREAT tool!!!!).

The file is 1.6Gb, stripped out the ads and down to 1Gb. I put this 1Gb into either MF or WS and blots backup to the original 1.6Gb!

Is this normal? Should the file grow!!!! I've used other MPGs not from tivo and they do not grow!!

I have a UK SA TIVO and PC running ME.

MrBassMan
04-08-2003, 07:46 AM
Originally posted by KingCurly


Hi - I don't have an answer to your question as I don't use those packages as I'm too busy developing tystudio to actually USE it :(

I just thought I would say hi as I'm just up the road from you in Eastleigh.

newbie
04-08-2003, 09:00 AM
Riley--Although I don't have as much experience as you I have processed over a hundred gig. The only sync problems I've had is with an AMC movie with lots of cuts. By the end of the movie the sync is off by a few seconds. I think each cut increases the chance of sync problems.




Originally posted by rc3105
I've processed hundreds of gig - mostly via tydemux-mplex or typrocess, and I've seen a few that tystudio hung on and just wouldn't process, but I've never seen it produce one where the av sync was incorrect.

--
Riley

satguymtl
04-08-2003, 09:38 AM
Originally posted by rc3105
I've processed hundreds of gig - mostly via tydemux-mplex or typrocess, and I've seen a few that tystudio hung on and just wouldn't process, but I've never seen it produce one where the av sync was incorrect.

I'd bet $ that codecs is the playback problem most of the time for most people.

videolan client is a pretty decent mpeg player with internal mpeg decoding so that it doesn't rely on installed codecs. it's well worth getting as a troublshooting aid.

--
Riley Yep. I'll be the first to admit I don't know sh!t from shinola here, but I kept having sync issues and jerky playback on the PC (after TyEditing, but before authoring). Then I realized that whatever DVD player I was using kept using the Elecard codec (the little logo was in the top right corner). As soon as I forced WinDVD to use the Intervideo codec by default, the problem went away.

Thanks to the team for a great suite of tools. Keep up the great work!

Damfino
04-08-2003, 12:06 PM
I'm having a hell of a time finding OK places to make cuts... I'm trying to crop some music videos and I can live with the inexact timing, but the majority of the cuts I make cause the dreaded "We can't close gop" error. I'm looking at the log trying to figure out exactly which cut is the problem. There are four cuts - the very beginning, just before the video, just after the video, and the very end. Here's the log for one:

demux: demuxing
demux: Check Chunk: Warning!! Chunk: 115 - hole in video stream
demux: Check Chunk: first_tick 17613267, last_tick 17565218
demux: get_audio: Warning! Audio size 577 while pes says size 576
demux: Error to seq_pes_holder is null after check
demux: Error: Hence not enough framres to close the gop
demux: Audio offset (for mplex -O) is 7

mplex: Pipe looks like an MPEG Video stream.
mplex: Pipe looks like an MPEG Audio stream.
mplex: Found 1 audio streams and 1 video streams
mplex: Selecting generic MPEG2 output profile
mplex: Multiplexing video program stream!
mplex: Scanning for header info: Video stream e0 (unnamed)
mplex: VIDEO STREAM: e0
mplex: Frame width : 480
mplex: Frame height : 480
mplex: Aspect ratio : 4:3 display
mplex: Picture rate : 29.970 frames/sec
mplex: Bit rate : 15000000 b
its/sec
mplex: Vbv buffer size : 229376 bytes
mplex: CSPF : 0
mplex: Scanning for header info: Audio stream c0 (unnamed)
mplex: MPEG AUDIO STREAM: c0
mplex: Audio version : 1.0
mplex: Layer : 2
mplex: CRC checksums : no
mplex: Bit rate : 24576 bytes/sec (192 kbit/sec)
mplex: Frequency : 48000 Hz
mplex: Mode : 1 joint stereo
mplex: Mode extension : 2
mplex: Copyright bit : 0 no copyright
mplex: Original/Copy : 1 original
mplex: Emphasis : 0 none
mplex: SYSTEMS/PROGRAM stream:
mplex: rough-guess multiplexed stream data rate : 15425800
mplex: Setting best-guess data rate.
mplex: Run-in Sectors = 88 Video delay = 9041 Audio delay = 0
mplex: New sequence commences...
mplex: Video e0: buf= 235520 frame=000000 sector=00000000
mplex: Audio c0: buf= 4096 frame=000000 sector=00000000
demux: Read Chunk: chunk 4094 - bad chunk header - skipping
demux: Read Chunk: chunk 4095 - over flow in records - skipping
demu
x: Read Chunk: chunk 8190 - bad chunk header - skipping
demux: Read Chunk: chunk 8191 - over flow in records - skipping
demux: We can't close gop
demux: We can't close the gop in this cut - choose another frame for your cut

The cuts are at frame 0, 114, 957, and 11034. I don't see any of those in there. Other times, I'll get a bunch of errors like this:
demux: Read Chunk: chunk 11043 - bad chunk header - skipping
demux: We can't close gop
demux: Read Chunk: chunk 11044 - bad chunk header - skipping
demux: We can't close gop

Those are all after the end of the video. I'm confused! I can handle redoing it a couple times (prefer not to, but I can't complain!), but I feel like I'm in the dark when trying to decide which cut to move.

Oh, this is from a DTivo, trying to convert to generic MPEG2, no transcoding.

EDIT: Oops, I feel like an ***** - I see an error at the top referring to chunk 115, guess that means that the cut at 114 is bad? I had just moved it and got the same error again - I just moved it again, hopefully it'll succeed this time.

KingCurly
04-08-2003, 12:16 PM
I had a similar problem on my UK SA. I moved last cut end back one frame (< left arrow), it seems strange but it worked for me!

Damfino
04-08-2003, 12:54 PM
I tried about ten previous cuts and still got the same error every time... despite ending up with an mpg that seems more or less OK. I give up and am about to try another file to see if I can get a clean cut. :)

Does anyone know if the mpgs created where you get such an error message are OK? They seem to play fine in PowerDVD...

Damfino
04-08-2003, 01:05 PM
Here's a more typical error log, on another ty:

mplex: SYSTEMS/PROGRAM stream:
mplex: rough-guess multiplexed stream data rate : 15425800
mplex: Setting best-guess data rate.
mplex: Run-in Sectors = 88 Video delay = 8411 Audio delay = 0
mplex: New sequence commences...
mplex: Video e0: buf= 235520 frame=000000 sector=00000000
mplex: Audio c0: buf= 4096 frame=000000 sector=00000000
demux: Read Chunk: chunk 4094 - bad chunk header - skipping
demux: Read Chunk: chunk 4095 - over flow in records - skipping
demux: Read Chunk: chunk 8190 - bad chunk header - skipping
demux: Read Chunk: chunk 8191 - over flow in records - skipping
demux: We can't c
lose gop
demux: We can't close the gop in this cut - choose another frame for your cut

There are NO errors above it about holes in the video stream - and there are no cuts anywhere near the chunks with bad header/overflows.

Despite far more crashes, I was able to get more success using beta1 than beta2, I think... I'm not sure if I've gotten any clean cuts from beta2 yet.

MrBassMan
04-08-2003, 01:07 PM
There are problems cutting at the end in the current beta - there is a fix which will be in the next release.

saltydog4791
04-08-2003, 02:04 PM
Originally posted by newbie
Riley--Although I don't have as much experience as you I have processed over a hundred gig. The only sync problems I've had is with an AMC movie with lots of cuts. By the end of the movie the sync is off by a few seconds. I think each cut increases the chance of sync problems.

I think I agree with this statement. Is there any proof out there that this could in fact be true? I am trying to archive some basketball games which have a lot of cuts, and I can't get a single one to keep sync all the way thru to the end. Is this issue being addressed? Is there a correlation between sync, length of show, and amount of cuts? It sure seems that way, and if so, is it being addressed by anybody on the dev team?

saltydog4791

captain_video
04-08-2003, 03:30 PM
TyStudio was working great for me on a half dozen or so 1-hour clips with no problems. Then suddenly, it just went whacky on me. I tried editing an episode of Babylon 5 that I recorded the other day and it only gets about 700-800 chunks into the ty file before it just starts choking on GOP errors. The top of the progress screen just indicates one GOP error after another from that point on and acts like it can't find anything to lock onto from there on. I reimported the file into TyStudio and started a new marker file, but this time I just did one cut at a time and tried processing it after each cut. I never got more than two cuts set up before it either choked on it or simply crashed. It has started crashing constantly. Sometimes simply opening up the marker file causes it to crash.

I ran the same ty file through TyTools and GOPEditor and it worked fine with no problems whatsoever. The resultant mpg file played fine with no loss of sync in PowerDVD, and I didn't have to remux it using TMPGEnc prior to playing it. I don't know if the program has somehow gotten corrupted or if it simply does not like the ty file I'm trying to feed it.

I ran a 2-hour episode of the Children of Dune miniseries through it the other day. After numerous crashes due to GOP errors from wide gaps from bad cuts, I was finally able to get the entire file processed. I patched and imported it into SpruceUp and everything seemed to work fine for the first half of the file. About midway through, the audio simply disappeared when I tried playing back a segment past a certain point. The video seemed to be OK but the audio was completely muted. If I played it back from a point just prior to where the audio vanished, the soundtrack would play fine all the way to the end of the file. I did notice that it was badly out of sync and that the video would freeze up from time to time. There was also some breakup in the video.

A really strange thing was that SpruceUp would not let me place a chapter stop beyond the point where the audio started going bad. It's like I hit a dead end in the elemental streams.

bato
04-08-2003, 03:48 PM
Originally posted by captain_video
I ran the same ty file through TyTools and GOPEditor and it worked fine with no problems whatsoever. The resultant mpg file played fine with no loss of sync in PowerDVD, and I didn't have to remux it using TMPGEnc prior to playing it.
You only have to remux using TMPGEnc if you plan to use Moviefactory2/Workshop1.3 to make the DVD with vsplit2c.

captain_video
04-08-2003, 04:08 PM
Gotcha. Thanks for the feedback. I just ran the same Children of Dune 2-hour clip through TyTool/GOPEditor and it stayed in sync all the way to the end, and I only had to process the file once. I guess I'm going to have to learn how to use DVD Workshop. I was really hoping to keep the elementary streams generated by TyStudio so I could stick with SpruceUp (old habits die hard) but, for now, TyTools seems to have the edge for ease of use and keeping the audio in sync. I was actually leaning towards TyStudio until it started crashing if I even looked cross-eyed at it. It wouldn't be quite so bad if it didn't have to re-index a ty file every stinkin' time I import it.

TyStudio has the potential to be an awesome program and lots of users seem to be getting excellent results with it. Based on the amount of effort that's gone into it I feel confident that future releases will no doubt fix most, if not all, of the current bugs that I'm seeing.

I've been downloading my ty files using TyTool6r3, mfsstream and Tivoweb, and tyserver (I still can't get mfs_ftp up and running due to an apparent TCP/IP problem in my home network). The files from Tivoweb seem to be truncating prematurely and I'm not getting the complete file before the download terminates. Tyserver is working fine but it still has to index a ty file every time I import it into TyStudio. With the number of crashes I've experienced lately it's really getting to be a PITA.

I have also had some files give me a GOP temporal reference error when importing into SpruceUp after processing them with tydemux via TyStudio with only a minor cut at the beginning of the file.

Damfino
04-08-2003, 05:03 PM
Originally posted by MrBassMan
There are problems cutting at the end in the current beta - there is a fix which will be in the next release.
Great, that's exactly what I wanted to hear. :) Thanks! I can't wait for b3.

FWIW, I'm downloading the .ty files direct from MFS-FTP (I was getting tmfs, but why do the extra step of extracting, especially when you end up with multiple smaller ty files?) Don't know if it makes any difference.

osetivo
04-08-2003, 05:08 PM
Originally posted by Damfino
FWIW, I'm downloading the .ty files direct from MFS-FTP (I was getting tmfs, but why do the extra step of extracting, especially when you end up with multiple smaller ty files?) Don't know if it makes any difference.

Easy. the TMF format will allow you to "reinsert" the tys back into the TiVo.

invader zog
04-09-2003, 12:02 AM
When I use the "click here to load from now showing", it is showing me old data -- i.e. there are new shows that aren't appearing on the list.

If I bounce the Tivo, the list gets repopulated.

If I remove the file "nowshowing", it seems to repopulate with correct data

snoopy
04-09-2003, 12:08 AM
Originally posted by invader zog
When I use the "click here to load from now showing", it is showing me old data -- i.e. there are new shows that aren't appearing on the list.

If I bounce the Tivo, the list gets repopulated.

If I remove the file "nowshowing", it seems to repopulate with correct data

I'm having the same problem.

invader zog
04-09-2003, 12:52 AM
I finally found the ps binary... here is an edited version of the output:

USER PID %CPU %MEM SIZE RSS TTY STAT START TIME COMMAND
root 122 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? SW Apr 8 0:00 ./tserver_mfs6
root 128 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? SW Apr 8 0:00 /var/index/tyserver
root 405 1.1 0.0 0 0 ? Z Apr 8 16:37 (tyserver <zombie>)



What does the "zombie" mean?

I tried to re-run tyserver (wasn't sure if the process was dead) -- and it told me that it couldn't bind to the port

did that cause the zombie ?
is that normal behavior
is the zombie the "cause" of my problems?

snoopy
04-09-2003, 01:22 AM
Originally posted by invader zog
What does the "zombie" mean?

I tried to re-run tyserver (wasn't sure if the process was dead) -- and it told me that it couldn't bind to the port

did that cause the zombie ?
is that normal behavior
is the zombie the "cause" of my problems?

I have some problems with zombie also. I think it means a "ghost" of tyserver or the indexer running. It makes it look like there is more than one copy of the server running now for me. I thought I had all this figured out and edited rc.sysinit to give me one single instance of each but now several days later... 1) the now showing list is badly out of date in Tystudio and 2) The server seems to be running twice when doing ps aux. I give up. Waiting on jdiners next release.

invader zog
04-09-2003, 02:42 AM
and restarted.

It looks like the "zombie" process may be part of normal operation.

snoopy
04-09-2003, 02:54 AM
Originally posted by invader zog
and restarted.

It looks like the "zombie" process may be part of normal operation.

Yep, killing the process worked for me also to eliminate 'zombie' listings. I can also delete the nowshowing file periodically to force the list to update. I think jdiner is to release his latest in a couple of days.

protodep
04-09-2003, 05:17 AM
Originally posted by invader zog
What does the "zombie" mean?

Aside from taking up an entry in process list (e.g. in the output of of utilities like 'ps' and 'top'), a zombie process does not take up any system resources. For a more detailed definition, go here (http://foldoc.linuxguruz.org/foldoc.php?zombie+process).


Originally posted by invader zog
is the zombie the "cause" of my problems?

No, it's nothing to worry about.


Originally posted by snoopy
I think jdiner is to release his latest in a couple of days.

snoopy: You mentioned this twice. How is this relevant to this thread? Please keep things on topic.

snoopy
04-09-2003, 06:06 AM
Originally posted by protodep -- member in training
snoopy: You mentioned this twice. How is this relevant to this thread? Please keep things on topic.


umm, perhaps you could include the context and you would see that my response was very much "on topic".

newbie
04-09-2003, 11:40 AM
invader zog
Was your ps aux a "cut and paste"? You're showing jdiners ./tserver_mfs6
running instead of ./tyserver. If you're using tystudio you must use /tyserver and /tyindex; you can't mix between the 2 programs

Snoopy, jdnier has been telling us for over a month to expect a new release in a few days. When (and if) it's released I'll give it a shot but it's not really relevent to this thread.

olaf_sc
04-09-2003, 01:37 PM
Hello,

First been taking it easy for a couple of days (well I have a broken engine in my 67 Eldorado :( )


Anyways - you will see one zombie process of tyserver that is noting to worry about it's clean up the next time you connect with either tyget/tyls or tyeditor.

Since tytools tserver (or what ever the name is) uses different ports there is nothing preventing you from running the both of them at the same time.

In the next beta there will be a version of tyserver that doesn't need tyindex. I thought that could be usefull for people that don't want to do remote editing and doesn't have any use of the indexing daemon.

Cheers Olof

snoopy
04-09-2003, 02:15 PM
Originally posted by olaf_sc
In the next beta there will be a version of tyserver that doesn't need tyindex. I thought that could be usefull for people that don't want to do remote editing and doesn't have any use of the indexing daemon.

Olaf,
I would like request that you include an explaination of what the rc.sysinit should look like after installation. Last time I had to modify it so that would start the processes needed. Knowing what the file should look like might go a long way toward helping others who had to do the same thing. It is only a request. Thanks Olaf, for such wonderfull work!

d7o
04-09-2003, 03:17 PM
I was having a problem converting hdvr2 video streams with TyStudio (using TyEditor). Turned out to be a problem in the indexing. I appear to have fixed that bug. I'm doing more testing on it now.

Its a very small patch if anyone is interested.

duo

protodep
04-09-2003, 04:44 PM
Originally posted by snoopy
I would like request that you include an explaination of what the rc.sysinit should look like after installation. Last time I had to modify it so that would start the processes needed. Knowing what the file should look like might go a long way toward helping others who had to do the same thing. It is only a request.

If you take a look at 'tyserver.ppc.sh' v0.5.0 Beta 2 (the tivo-side install script), you'll see that AlphaWolf, not Olaf, is the author. The intended modifications to /etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit would also be apparent.

The following two lines are taken from lines 90 and 91 of the script:

echo "/var/index/tyindex > /dev/null 2>&1 &" >> /etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit
echo "/var/index/tyserver > /dev/null 2>&1 &" >> /etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit

These lines append the lines "/var/index/tyindex > /dev/null 2>&1 &" and "/var/index/tyserver > /dev/null 2>&1 &" (without the double quotes) to the end of /etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit.

For a more detailed and recent discussion on this, read the tyserver & tyindex not starting on boot (http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=23135) thread found in this forum.


Originally posted by snoopy
Originally posted by protodep -- member in training

EXCUUUUUSE ME, Mr. big bad "Senior" member... this is as hilarious as it is annoying. Some of us that lurk, learn, and have clue strive to make only relevant posts. Do not equate the number of posts and/or member classification with the level of respect you should give to others. That's just bad etiquette.

snoopy
04-09-2003, 05:31 PM
Originally posted by protodep
EXCUUUUUSE ME, Mr. big bad "Senior" member... this is as hilarious as it is annoying. Some of us that lurk, learn, and have clue strive to make only relevant posts. Do not equate the number of posts and/or member classification with the level of respect you should give to others. That's just bad etiquette.

It is not my intention to be disrespectful to you sir. Please accept my appologies it it seems so. I simply wanted to respond to your asking me to post in a different place. I felt my post was appropriate and not "off topic" as you suggested. I took offense to that. Again, my appologies.

rc3105
04-09-2003, 06:09 PM
Originally posted by invader zog
...What does the "zombie" mean?

...did that cause the zombie ?

...is the zombie the "cause" of my problems?


according to the nice lady on the worchestershire sauce help line, zombies are caused by accidently using worchestershire sauce as a substitute for embalming fluid.

now I don't know what part of the compile-link process involves embalming equipment (I must not have that service pack yet) or how the worchestershire sauce got involved, but I'd guess it's a cosmic side-effect of compiling gpl code with a microsoft compiler.

zombies are generally quite troublesome, I would suggest you keep a shotgun and a chainsaw handy in case it returns.

--
Riley

*anybody thinking right now that I've lost my mind is probably correct, just chalk it up to too much south park ;)

protodep
04-09-2003, 06:32 PM
Snoop - no worries. I just got needlessly bent when I noticed your emphasis on "member in training" like it held some significance.
Apologies to all for the wasted space.

snoopy
04-09-2003, 07:14 PM
Originally posted by protodep
Snoop - no worries. I just got needlessly bent when I noticed your emphasis on "member in training" like it held some significance.
Apologies to all for the wasted space.

np, my appologies to you also sir.

invader zog
04-09-2003, 08:56 PM
Originally posted by newbie
invader zog
Was your ps aux a "cut and paste"? You're showing jdiners ./tserver_mfs6
running instead of ./tyserver. If you're using tystudio you must use /tyserver and /tyindex; you can't mix between the 2 programs


It wasn't a full cut and paste -- I removed some stuff.

I wasn't aware that you couldn't have tserver_mfs6 (for tytools) and tyserver/tyindex (for ty editor) running at the same time -- are you sure about that??

BubbleLamp
04-09-2003, 09:17 PM
Originally posted by invader zog
It wasn't a full cut and paste -- I removed some stuff.

I wasn't aware that you couldn't have tserver_mfs6 (for tytools) and tyserver/tyindex (for ty editor) running at the same time -- are you sure about that??

They run on different ports and can run at the same time, but the extra overhead is quite likely to cause problems.

newbie
04-10-2003, 09:37 AM
I was under the impression that tserver_mfs6 unloads itself when you terminate your telenet session. That plus the extra overhead (as per BL) had me wondering why you had both loaded.

xxxx
04-13-2003, 03:15 AM
Just wondering if anyone knows whether there is any particular reason why TyStudioB2 always gets a TyDemux stream error on my WinXP setup when converting a local Ty file (extracted by TyStudio) into MPEG?

It usually does about 2 to 5% of the file before dying.

TIA

misato
04-13-2003, 05:21 AM
Originally posted by xxxx
Just wondering if anyone knows whether there is any particular reason why TyStudioB2 always gets a TyDemux stream error on my WinXP setup when converting a local Ty file (extracted by TyStudio) into MPEG?

It usually does about 2 to 5% of the file before dying.

TIA Please run some experiments, and determine if it happens with some settings and not others, some files and not others, with and without transcoding, if working from the tivo or only from a saved ty, etc. This is what's needed to narrow down the cause of a problem.

For instance, I've found that tyeditor crashes (or gives "failed to close gop" errors) almost always if drawing from the tivo or using a perviously saved file it's retrieved, but usually works on a ty file produced by tmf2mpg. Also, the more edit points I mark, the more likely a file is to fail (some will work only with no edits at all, and those I have to chop up with tmpegenc). No transcoding also improves my odds of completing okay, but a few files just won't process no matter what.

Bottom line: this is still beta software: it shows great promise, and with the right settings, is already quite useful. But to home in on a likely problem, you will need to exercise all those variables and then report your results and/or problems.

shibumila
04-14-2003, 12:48 PM
I had a problem with slow transfer from the Tivo to my PC (either by direct extraction or copy to PC First) It was taking hours to copy a 30 minute show. I figured out the problem, my network card was configured to Auto-Negotiation for connection type, I forced it to 100Base, Full Duplex and now it transfer a lot quicker!

Joe

stargeek
04-14-2003, 09:57 PM
I just installed this last night, was able to grab from my "Now Playing" without a problem, set my cut points and process seemed to work.

But I've been unable to view any of my rips on my computer, in any of the formats. I've tried several variations to process them with, but all of my viewers I've tried (Quicktime, Real, Windows player) all complain about not having the correct codec and it not being available to download.

Anyone have any suggestions? I realise this might be a newb problem, as i don't do much video on my PC, but I'm stumped and would appreciate a tip. Thanks.

FreydNot
04-15-2003, 01:54 AM
Windows doesn't have a Mpeg2 decoder out of the box. You have to add a third party one. Many of the software DVD players will add one for you. Or you can try out the Elecard Mpeg2 decoder ( http://www.elecard.com/download/ ).

xxxx
04-15-2003, 03:01 AM
Please run some experiments, and determine if it happens with some settings and not others, some files and not others, with and without transcoding, if working from the tivo or only from a saved ty, etc.

OK. I did some tests.

First: I only work on files on the PC and these have all been extracted using TyStudio. The Ty indexing software is not installed on my Tivo, only the Ty server for extraction. Extractions seem to go OK and take under real time to run (I've never timed this). The Turbonet network connection works fine. I run WinXP Pro SP1. The Ty files I tried are standard UK Tivo best resolution, recorded in widescreen from satellite. They are about 2 hours in length and around 5Gb.

I can view all the frames and set edit points in TyStudio without any problem.

It doesn't seem to matter what settings I use in TyStudio: everything starts well then I get a TyDemux stalled error message after about 50 to 400Mb of Mpeg has been created. When I try to play the created Mpeg it is doesn't play properly and jumps around, though this may be because the file wasn't finished. I used TyStudio B2 successfully twice earlier in the month and I don't think that I have installed or changed anything since then.

I could do some more tests on short files if it would help. These big files are slow to run tests on.

akeogh
04-15-2003, 10:57 AM
Originally posted by xxxx
[B

The Turbonet network connection works fine. I run WinXP Pro SP1. The Ty files I tried are standard UK Tivo best resolution, recorded in widescreen from satellite. They are about 2 hours in length and around 5Gb.

I can view all the frames and set edit points in TyStudio without any problem.

It doesn't seem to matter what settings I use in TyStudio: everything starts well then I get a TyDemux stalled error message after about 50 to 400Mb of Mpeg has been created.

[/B]
Don't worry your not going mad there seems to be an incompatibility between XP and Tystudio but I cannot yet point the finger.

I have seen similar problems and I will post logs soon but I have flu at present and do not feel up to it.

I found that when I processed the same files on win2k they worked fine.

Andy

MrBassMan
04-15-2003, 11:20 AM
Originally posted by xxxx
It doesn't seem to matter what settings I use in TyStudio: everything starts well then I get a TyDemux stalled error message after about 50 to 400Mb of Mpeg has been created. When I try to play the created Mpeg it is doesn't play properly and jumps around, though this may be because the file wasn't finished. I used TyStudio B2 successfully twice earlier in the month and I don't think that I have installed or changed anything since then.

I could do some more tests on short files if it would help. These big files are slow to run tests on. [/B]
The demux stalled problem is one of many fixes and enhancements I have done over the last few weeks. We are planning another official Beta soon but Olaf is busy fixing his car.
The next beta will include these fixes as well as batch mode support and Mac support.

For those that are impatient, you can obtain the latest windows build from
Here (http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/dvd-create/tydemux/installer/win32/Output)

laserfan
04-15-2003, 04:20 PM
I want to say again to MrBassMan et. al. THANKS for this tool. I've now made 40 great DVDs from my archived tystreams.

To my knowledge the only problems that remain have to do with the errors associated with edits--are there any new fixes for these?

Most of my DVDs to-date have primarily front-and-back trims (cable movies and such) but I do have a few remaining problem tystreams from which I need to remove lots of commercial breaks.

MrBassMan
04-15-2003, 04:22 PM
Originally posted by laserfan
I want to say again to MrBassMan et. al. THANKS for this tool. I've now made 40 great DVDs from my archived tystreams.

To my knowledge the only problems that remain have to do with the errors associated with edits--are there any new fixes for these?

Most of my DVDs to-date have primarily front-and-back trims (cable movies and such) but I do have a few remaining problem tystreams from which I need to remove lots of commercial breaks.

Cutting at the end was a fix I put in, I am not sure what Olaf has done in demux.

bato
04-15-2003, 08:45 PM
I still have a problem with beta3rc3 in the last cut.

My workaround is change the Cut Start point (only in the last cut) 8 right arrow clics, then the final cut is perfect (dtivo, winxp, elemental stream/no transcode).

One thing that I noticed is when I select elemental stream it is saves as m2v but when the save dialog appear it show only .mpg files and not .m2v, so I guess it needs to be changed. Oh, and an option to ask before it overwrites a file.

Damfino
04-15-2003, 09:31 PM
FWIW, b3rc3 seems to have fixed the end-of-stream cuts for me (dtivo, xp sp1, mpeg2/no transcoding)... I've done three music video crops so far and they've all worked first time. Nice!

As soon at the Lite-On DVD recorder comes out, I'll be working on that... for now, I'm just burning the .mpgs to CDs.

xxxx
04-16-2003, 10:29 AM
Don't worry your not going mad .......

Thank God for that! :)

Govnah
04-16-2003, 12:56 PM
Just curious if anyone else is experiencing similiar problems with tystudio and windows xp. I can not dload a ty file from my sativo with out it crashing (BSOD) my windows xp box. I have reinstalled tystudio w/ no success. I have no other issues with anything else on this box just tystudio. Any suggestions?

misato
04-17-2003, 02:50 PM
Best suggestion I can make is probably one you won't like too much... Switch to win2k?

Torg
04-17-2003, 03:19 PM
or linux!!!!

eobiont
04-17-2003, 03:39 PM
Could anyone involved with the project please post an update on OS X version progress?

Y2JProd
04-17-2003, 03:42 PM
Originally posted by Govnah
Just curious if anyone else is experiencing similiar problems with tystudio and windows xp. I can not dload a ty file from my sativo with out it crashing (BSOD) my windows xp box. I have reinstalled tystudio w/ no success. I have no other issues with anything else on this box just tystudio. Any suggestions?

Works fine for me (Running XP Professional SP1). RC3 works much better then Beta 2. So far only one movie had Temporal Reference errors and so all the elemental streams have successfully created (no gop errors).

defsrg
04-17-2003, 07:56 PM
not sure if anyone esle had this problem but there are certain extracts, not alot like 2 of my movies so far, where the whole movie is extracted , almost 2 gb worth so i know its all there, but when importing it into tystudio only the first 27 minutes are there to edit. anyone else had this experience??
thanx

misato
04-17-2003, 08:03 PM
I've had a few show up short like that, even when the TY is retrieved by mfs_ftp (by far my most reliable method of getting a ty file to work on). In those cases, I just resorted to analog capture and re-encoding, since the files played fine on the tivo, but just would not come out intact by any extraction method I tried.

pgfitzgerald
04-18-2003, 12:27 AM
I've got a ty file that won't get past 13% processing. I'm using Beta 3 RC3. It was doing the same thing with Beta 2.

I've attached the log file. Anybody got any ideas?

Thanks,

Paul

MegaMan
04-18-2003, 03:53 AM
Does anyone has a problem with Beta 2 using up 100% of the CPU with XP and an AMD 2400+ XP and slow? To edit one show it took almost an hour to edit a show using the remote index after the process button was pressed.

With mfs_web I can download the same show in 15 mins, and it really only takes Vsplit max 2 mins (for a 1gig show) to cut the movie up and create the resulting .mpg file. (Limited by drive speed for me at the moment.. CPU is around 60% or less)

OChaos
04-18-2003, 05:12 PM
Originally posted by eobiont
Could anyone involved with the project please post an update on OS X version progress?

I'm currently running the OS X build from the CVS..... and from the looks of it I wouldn't doubt you'll be seeing it real soon now (but that's just my opinion)

much thanks to the developers for all their hard work...

--OChaos
(long time lurker, first time poster)

koreth
04-18-2003, 09:57 PM
Originally posted by MegaMan
Does anyone has a problem with Beta 2 using up 100% of the CPU with XP and an AMD 2400+ XP and slow?
Yes, it chews all the CPU time it can get on my system too (WinXP, Athlon XP 1600). Even when it's just downloading from the TiVo, which I'd think should barely eat any CPU time at all.

But that's why it's a beta. :)

Meltdown
04-19-2003, 09:57 AM
After installing TyStudio, my ftp no longer works on my tivo. Is there a wy to fix this without opening the Tivo again? Telnet works.

Torg
04-19-2003, 11:28 AM
Telnet to the box, check is ftp is still running.

ps fax | grep ftp

You should see something like:
89 ? SW 0:00 /tivo-bin/tivoftpd

If not start it

/tivo-bin/tivoftpd > /dev/null 2>&1 &

Then go check your rc scripts (in /etc/rc.d) to find out why it was not running. Or at least if you reboot the box if it will run again.

If it is running check your client.

Meltdown
04-19-2003, 12:22 PM
Originally posted by Torg
Telnet to the box, check is ftp is still running.

ps fax | grep ftp

You should see something like:
89 ? SW 0:00 /tivo-bin/tivoftpd

If not start it

/tivo-bin/tivoftpd > /dev/null 2>&1 &

Then go check your rc scripts (in /etc/rc.d) to find out why it was not running. Or at least if you reboot the box if it will run again.

If it is running check your client.

ps fax | grep ftp is not a reconized command. I also tried "/tivo-bin/tivoftpd > /dev/null 2>&1 &" and it told me "[1] 507".

When I try to ftp to it with IE, it says it is activly refusing the connection.

Maybe if someone send me some intructions on how to install Joe with Telnet so I could look at the start-up file. Thanks for your help.

POTI
04-19-2003, 06:18 PM
Has anyone else noticed steady pauses in the mpeg's extracted from a dtivo with tystudio beta 2 and beta3?

I am running XP sp2

Govnah
04-20-2003, 11:24 AM
Is there a beta 3? If so, where? I checked the web site and only saw beta 2.

osetivo
04-20-2003, 12:56 PM
Originally posted by Govnah
Is there a beta 3? If so, where? I checked the web site and only saw beta 2.

I haven't seen any requests by the prinicpals that links not be posted, so look here.
CVS Files (http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/dvd-create/tydemux/installer/)

emc2
04-20-2003, 01:16 PM
I have noticed the pauses in the streams extracted with tystudio that are muxed.

These streams are out of sync when played in wmplayer and elecard mpeg player.

The only thing i can find that will preview a muxed stream in sync is dvd workshop 1.2 (but still has a few pauses) and it wants to reencode before burning it seems.

I have not tried to burn anything yet trying not to reencode.

Torg
04-20-2003, 05:44 PM
Meltdown:

TELNET to the box. At the telnet prompt. Type

ps fax | grep ftp

[/quote]
I also tried "/tivo-bin/tivoftpd > /dev/null 2>&1 &" and it told me "[1] 507".
[quote]

507 would be its new pid (Program ID), it means it ran it. But since you did not check to see if it was already running there is no way of determing what the status of that program is. The end of that command (the > /dev/null 2>&1) means put the output and input together. and forward it all to the black hole bit bucket ( the /dev/null).

As for IE saying it is activly refusing it it could be many differnt things. It could be IE is broken (gee imagine that), or it could be the network itself. Since it gave you the error "activly refusing" it sounds more like a client/network issue. Were ftp not running you would get "a connection could not be established".

If all you want to do is look at files try this:

more <file>

Finaly I suggest you learn vi and forget about joe.

Stephen
04-20-2003, 09:12 PM
Slight bug report on the batch processing... Im not seeing where the error is other than maybe the command line does not like spaces (Im going to test that next) The following does nothing

echo Processing started for: Andromeda- Delenda Est-Delenda Est.ty
typrocess -d 4 -la tyeditor-process.log -it D:\TyStreams\Andromeda- Delenda Est-Delenda Est.ty -d 4 -l tyeditor-process.log -demux { -s 2 } -tcode { -m -s 48000 } -mplex { -f 3 -V } -om d:\TivoDVD\Andromeda- Delenda Est-Delenda Est.mpg
echo Processing completed for: Andromeda- Delenda Est-Delenda Est.ty

Other than saying it completed properly (which it doesnt) and it does not create a log file either. NOTE: I have yet to get a file to batch.. maybe it is the characters or the - in the file name??

brett63
04-20-2003, 10:41 PM
You need to wrap the filenames in quotes - e.g.
"D:\TyStreams\Andromeda- Delenda Est-Delenda Est.ty"

xxxx
04-21-2003, 03:56 AM
The demux stalled problem is one of many fixes and enhancements I have done over the last few weeks.

I downloaded the latest version and it does indeed fix the TyDemux stalling problem with XP Pro. Thanks.

However all MPEGs created are still jerky and don't play back properly on any of my MPEG players. So I just run the MPEG output from TyStudio through MyFlix which rebuilds it in a few seconds and cures the problem. Maybe you already know about this?
I've only tried outputting to the default settings so far (DVD video and 48000 audio) but hope to try the others later.

One little feature that I would dearly like to see in TyStudio is an option to change the MPEG flagging from 4:3 to 16:9. I hope that you will be able to include this one day.

mbriody
04-22-2003, 08:00 AM
Have you tried rebooting?


Originally posted by Meltdown
ps fax | grep ftp is not a reconized command. I also tried "/tivo-bin/tivoftpd > /dev/null 2>&1 &" and it told me "[1] 507".

When I try to ftp to it with IE, it says it is activly refusing the connection.

Maybe if someone send me some intructions on how to install Joe with Telnet so I could look at the start-up file. Thanks for your help.

kmt
04-22-2003, 11:50 AM
Originally posted by dlang
with beta1 on linux I was able to take a .ty file and edit it to a .mpg that I was then able to burn (useing dvdauthor, mkisofs, and cdrecord, all free command line tools) to a CD. the problems I had were that tystudio loked up at the end of the conversion, the beginning of the DVD was missing the first 20-30 seconds of signal, and the audo/fvideo sync varied drasticly after each cut poin., but it did play!!

with beta2 (the correct files that is) I can do the edit without any problem, but when I attempt to add it to the DVD image I'm building I get complaints that it can't find the VOB block.

apparently something changed between beta1 and beta2 on this.

I'll try to get a chance to post this to the sourceforge bug reporter sometime later

Has there been any progress on this? I see the same problem in both beta2 and the current CVS version., but not in the original beta 1.

Jason Gerry
04-22-2003, 12:58 PM
TyStudio is freakin' great! For the most part. I had never bothered to try to do video extraction until this solution came along.

It's working really well for me, except the video I extract always has this very unusual artifact in the final video. Not sure what it is, but it looks like a tic-tac-toe board (3x3) of small squares, with a dot in the top right hand corner. I've included a screen shot below. Look up in the top right corner to see it.

Anyone else seen this? Oh, and it's not static, it jumps and moves around the screen like a buzzing insect. Very odd!

Thanks.

http://www.dangercrew.net/tystudio_capture.jpg

bato
04-22-2003, 01:50 PM
Jason, I read somewher (I can't find the link) that some mpeg2 codecs are shareware and they display something like you say everytime is used. So I guess this "problem" is only present if you play it in your computer, if you didn't re-encode you will have no problems.

Edit: found it here (http://www.dvdrhelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=128183&highlight=logo+video)

from the post:

It seems to me that this has probably been added by a codec of some sort. It appears to me that the logo is probably a watermark of some sort. The logo is a 3 by 3 group of blocks, with a dot in the upper right of the 9 dots. I checked my Add/Remove programs list and I don't see anything that looks new, but I may be missing something.

Torg
04-22-2003, 03:40 PM
The codec you are talking about is an MPEG2 encoding codec from Elecard (http://www.elecard.com).
If you go to their site you will find the same logo there.

To fix this remove the elecard encoder (you probably got it from software like DVD2AVI). Then install a new codec that is not shareware (bbMpeg for example).

Jason Gerry
04-22-2003, 05:07 PM
Thanks for the response.

I cannot figure out where that P.O.S. came from though, and I can't seem to find a way to remove it.

I can go through the whole list of video codecs in the Device Manager and remove it (maybe?), but I'm not sure what it's called.

The only things I think I installed in that realm are XVID, DIVX 5.03. I don't watch much video content but so much internet content now uses them that I installed it anyway.

On a plus note, now that I know my extraction is working properly, kudos to TyStudio. Now if I only had a DVD player that could play VCDs and SVCDs... Time for a new one I guess. Or a DVD burner.

levander
04-23-2003, 11:25 AM
Originally posted by rc3105
wmp, powerdvd & windvd all play tystudio mpeg just fine assuming your windows mpg codecs are installed properly. that's a pretty big if though... check www.doom9.org or www.digital-digest.com for windoes codec troubleshooting tips.

--
Riley

I'm getting jerky video when I try to play mpeg's that I've encoded to SVCD using TyStudio. When I encode them to DVD using TyStudio, they play back fine. Am using ATI's rebranded version of PowerDVD to play the mpeg's.

Am kind of new to video processing, but spent about an hour this morning looking at these two sites and didn't see anything great on checking my Windows codecs. Is it possible to get a more direct link so I can check this out on my machine?