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Aznphantom218
06-15-2003, 11:52 PM
Ok I've got a couple different answers to this question. First off, I have a HDVR2 unit and for the most part it's working. I can watch tv and see all the channels on directv no problem. How do I get my HDVR2 to have a lifetime sub? I've been told that it's the card programing. I've also been told that's it's in the bash. Which is the right answer. Does anyone know?

mrblack51
06-16-2003, 12:24 AM
many people know. read the faq
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Requiem
06-16-2003, 01:39 AM
It's on the card.

mrblack51
06-16-2003, 07:56 PM
Originally posted by Requiem
It's on the card.

not completely. thats why i pointed him to the faq. specifically, there is no true "lifetime sub" anymore which can be controlled by a script. the daily call can be bypassed as before, but the card authorizes the pvr functionality.

Zaknafein
06-17-2003, 10:43 AM
It's FIVE DOLLARS A MONTH!

Are you really that cheap?

DblDamage
06-17-2003, 12:58 PM
Originally posted by Zaknafein
It's FIVE DOLLARS A MONTH!

Are you really that cheap?


It's not about the cost. It's about privacy.

Tivo sells the information they receive about your viewing habits to ad agencys and tv networks.

I don't want my wife to know I watched "Indiana Bone and the Temple of Poon", much less Proctor & Gamble.

Oh, did I say that out loud? :eek:

DblDamage

Zaknafein
06-17-2003, 03:14 PM
Originally posted by DblDamage
It's not about the cost. It's about privacy.

Tivo sells the information they receive about your viewing habits to ad agencys and tv networks.



That is incorrect, TiVo sells aggregate information to networks and adagencies. The data they provide is nothing more thatn "1,000 people in the 22323 zip code watched friends and fast-forwarded through the commercial 13 minutes in." They don't sell any data that personally identifies anything about you.

Besides, you can call DirecTV and opt out of this data collection.

mckitrick
06-17-2003, 03:33 PM
How WAS Indiana Bone and the temple of Poon?
What did they do for the snake scene?

alldeadhomiez
06-17-2003, 05:18 PM
Originally posted by DblDamage
It's not about the cost. It's about privacy.

Tivo sells the information they receive about your viewing habits to ad agencys and tv networks.

I don't want my wife to know I watched "Indiana Bone and the Temple of Poon", much less Proctor & Gamble.

Oh, did I say that out loud? :eek:

DblDamage

The privacy issue is a solved problem - at least for people who are willing to open their box. You use "fixsub.tcl" (which is widely available) to tell the tivo to stop nagging you about phoning home.

If you are getting "DVR Service Inactive" because of a missing tier on your access card, you should call DTV, activate it, and pay the $4.99 a month. This does not mean you need to connect the phone line.

Zak: do you have any reason to trust TiVo/DTV to opt you out? Do you trust an ever-expanding authoritarian government not to use the PATRIOT Act to surreptitiously grab your remote control keypress logs? Neither entity has done anything to earn my trust.

Zaknafein
06-17-2003, 05:51 PM
No, I don't. However, it has been independently proven that, when you opt out of data collection the data is not sent. I have no worries.

T_RJ
06-17-2003, 06:05 PM
it has been independently proven that, when you opt out of data collection the data is not sent

BS

Zaknafein
06-17-2003, 06:35 PM
Originally posted by T_RJ
BS

The thread on AVS has been lost in time, but I can assure you, it is most certainly true.

Some of you people need to take off your tinfoil hats.

T_RJ
06-17-2003, 06:53 PM
Some People need to stop believeing everything they read!

mrblack51
06-17-2003, 08:24 PM
Originally posted by Zaknafein
It's FIVE DOLLARS A MONTH!

Are you really that cheap?

DDB is completely for lively debate, but this type of thing is not tolerated. specifically, threads in the hacking forums are meant to be technical/factual. this type of comment is purely inflamitory and not appropriate for this type of thread. adjust your actions accordingly for the future. thanks

mrblack51
06-17-2003, 10:02 PM
Originally posted by Zaknafein
The thread on AVS has been lost in time, but I can assure you, it is most certainly true.

Some of you people need to take off your tinfoil hats.

i disagree that its paranoia. while that may be the driving factor for some people, for others it is simply principle. yes, when you buy a tivo, you do so with the understanding that its their intent to "anonymously" watch your viewing habits, as a consumer you have the right to mod your box to protect those rights. some might consider it irresponsible to assume privacy is being protected, rather than being proactive about ensuring it yourself.

its unfortunate that you can't see the positive benefits of the tool, and instead choose to focus on the negative possibilities.

sidenote: for future reference, since you were having troubles earlier finding the appropriate forum to post your views, i will give some examples of messages, which you have posted, that would belong in the chit-chat forum on this bbs (similar to "the coffee house" over at avs)...or at least the general tivo area -



The people on the dd forums are, by and large, some of the dumbest people I have ever seen.

Even more telling is that a mod scolded me for [posting an opinion on a "service theft" issue].

alldeadhomiez
06-17-2003, 10:03 PM
Originally posted by Zaknafein
No, I don't. However, it has been independently proven that, when you opt out of data collection the data is not sent. I have no worries.

It has been independently proven that, when I opt out of plugging in the phone line, the data is not sent and no software upgrade they ever decide to send me will ever be able to change that.

Do you think that if somebody had found a problem with TiVo's opt-out implementation, the sycophantic moderators at avs would actually let the thread survive? The majority of members at that site are completely blind to TiVo's many faults and do not tolerate dissent.

DblDamage
06-18-2003, 10:13 AM
I didn't mean to stir up a hornets nest with my comments. What I am getting at is this:

You just KNOW that somewhere in an executive boardroom, they are looking over my data and coming up with this conclusion: "Okay, DblDamage watched Hairy Poonter and the Sorcerer's Bone, a National Geographic special on primates, and Will and Grace. Hmmmm. Gentlemen, what we need is more programming featuring gay monkey porn!"

Oooh... just the sound of it makes me shiver. :eek:


DblDamage

PencilNeckGeek
06-18-2003, 01:33 PM
Originally posted by DblDamage
You just KNOW that somewhere in an executive boardroom, they are looking over my data and coming up with this conclusion: "Okay, DblDamage watched Hairy Poonter and the Sorcerer's Bone, a National Geographic special on primates, and Will and Grace. Hmmmm. Gentlemen, what we need is more programming featuring gay monkey porn!" If you plug in your phone line there is a 99.999% chance that nobody will ever look at your viewing data. But in the worst possible case, somebody will look at it and use it against you, and you will be very sorry. Remember the trouble Robert Bork ran into because his video rental records were disclosed at an inopportune time?

TiVo likes to have the viewing data to improve their "suggestions" (as if it does any good) and to sell to marketers. You have the right to use a tcl script to stop this invasion of your space. Anybody who insists that you do not is free to quit preaching and to do whatever they want to their own unit. Unlike the denizens of some other popular boards, we here do not exist to supplicate TiVo.

stoil
06-26-2003, 09:26 PM
I apologize in advance. I rarely do not post to these forums (only a lurker) but I was bothered by this thread. So here is my rant:

Chairman Michael Ramsay says he’s going to make TiVo a household necessity, the following is excerpts from a recent Newsweek interview:


Jennifer Barrett: Because the TiVo boxes connect to your servers, you’re able to get incredibly detailed information about the viewing habits of your customers. I understand that you’ve begun offering advertisers and broadcaster access to second-by-second info on what your users are watching (or not watching). How do you see this part of the business growing?

Michael Ramsay: It’s a bit of a sensitive area for us because people are concerned about privacy. We realized the potential to gather very detailed information but did not want to do it by gathering people’s personal information, and we wrote that into the privacy policy on day one. So people should feel secure that we are not watching what they are watching. What we have created is a mechanism to look at aggregate data from 100 people to all 700,000 subscribers—we look at habits across the cross-section.


Jennifer Barrett: You were able to pinpoint the moment that Julia Roberts arrived at center stage during the Oscars as the single most paused moment of the live broadcast. That’s amazing to me.

Michael Ramsay: Yes, and with the Super Bowl, we looked at the rate at which people were rewinding and we rated segments. Those that were the most rewound were all commercials. That is another example. The macro view is TV ratings. We do see this as a real business and we think that we can literally transform how the TV industry measures its audience and make a significant and hopefully positive impact on the television and the advertising industry TV model. We can provide information that is more precise, more accurate and more narrowly focused.


The last comment interests me the most. By being able to tell where a user Paused/Rewound is a level of intrusion that I for one did not think was possible. Based on Mr. Ramsays first comment I did not think they were tracking data to that level, but here again a privacy policy is only as good as the CEO word.

I have noticed lately that a lot of these types of forums are going away do to the ability of large corporations leveraging their legal power to shut them down. There was a recent article on the music industry cracking down on people who download MP3's, what is next, Betty Crocker cracking down on people who download recipes. I make a joke but think about these corporations having the ability to track down people accessing the net. I hope everyone here in this forum realizes that their posts are not as anonymous at they think.