TyTool Alpha #7r10, VSplit Alpha beta #3.31b1, DVD output...

[Toddler]

Originally posted by xamot69
I've searched the forums and could not find anything. I am using the latest version of Tytools and it works great with regular recorded tivo shows. My problem is that I have hooked a VCR up to the Tivo Inputs to dump some old home movies on to the Tivo. Tivo plays them fine, but when i extract it with Tytools, I get "Error. We did not find an embedded audio header!". Has anyone else tried this or can anyone point me in the right direction to fix it.

Thanks in advance

Xamot69 I copy VHS to TiVo, extract with TyTool, convert to mpeg with TyStudio (TyProcess actually) and then burn to DVD, and I've never had any problems. I don't know exactly how you're doing it, but one trick is don't start recording on the TiVo until the videotape is actually playing. Change channels if you have to just to reset the cache and then start recording. Maybe that will help.

[salva]

Hi, I'm processing ty streams with tytool and I'm more than happy with it.

The issue that I'm looking at now is the DVD creation side ... I'm able to create DVD's but seems that while my streams are PAL (576 lines), the screen does not get filled while playing in the DVD. Is like the DVD was "streaching" the screen, leaving black bars up and down.

Is there any way to make tytool be PAL aware, or Am I doing something wrong.

Salva

[jdiner]

Looking for a single TyStream. I missed the pilot to the Prentender when it came out the other day. I hate to clutter the thread with this type of post but if anyone has it I would really love to get a copy. I want to burn these out as I go rather than have to save them all up until I get back around to the very first episode.

Many thanks,
--jdiner

[Pro-289]

I'm using the TyTool process to create a DVD file structure. Then I create my own menu.bmp and turn it into menu.mpg, then reinject that into the file project. But anyway, is there any other way to make the overylay pixels (non selected items) not white? And the selected pixels (selected item) not red? Or am I just stuck with white & red?

[jdiner]

Yes. There is a way to do it.

--jdiner

[rpongett]

I downloaded 7r10.

When I tried to "Make IFO Files," it zipped through doing nothing and then popped up a box that said "DVD Successfully created."

You referred to someone else with the problem earlier, and said it was fixed: http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?postid=116262&highlight=Make+IFO#post116262

I downloaded 7r10 last week and I'm having the problem. I wasn't having the problem with 7r8 (never downloaded 7r9).

[jdiner]

Originally posted by rpongett
I downloaded 7r10.

When I tried to "Make IFO Files," it zipped through doing nothing and then popped up a box that said "DVD Successfully created."

You referred to someone else with the problem earlier, and said it was fixed: http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?postid=116262&highlight=Make+IFO#post116262

I downloaded 7r10 last week and I'm having the problem. I wasn't having the problem with 7r8 (never downloaded 7r9).
Ummm. Check all of the directories you have plugged in. What was going on before was the jtee program was passing things around right and nothing could be found. In 7r10 that program was removed entirely.

At the moment I can't think of anything but not being able to find bins and dirs that it could be. I know that doesn't really help you that much. But I fear I am drawing a blank about what could be causing it to zip right through besides the path and the destination directory not existing.

--jdiner

[rpongett]

I'm selecting the directory c:\Burn, and doing so through the directory selector built into TyTool.

It actually creates a Video and Audio directory within c:\Burn and puts in the .bmp files. Nothing is in them. I also can't see the output from DVD Author (flashes on the screen too quick then disappears and I can't see an ouput file).

I even reloaded TyTool 7r10 and reinstalled. Still the same result. The original .vob file (created using TyTool7r10 from an extracted program) from which I'm trying to create the IFO files appears to be fine and plays alone in PowerDVD.

[rpongett]

Just found out the problem.

I revved my eyeballs up and tried to examine the screens flashing by in about a 10th of second. One said "too many chapters."

Its a 4.2 gig .vob file and I had set chapter points at ever 2 minutes. I reset them back to every 5 minutes and its churning away.

[jdiner]

Wow. Nice to know. I ought to go through the code for DVDAuthor and see what the chapter limit is set to and then add such a warning into TyTool to control things better.

---jdiner

[rpongett]

The limit is probably 99 chapter points per .vob file.

At chapter points every 2 minutes, that's 198 minutes (3 hours and 18 minutes).

I burned a .vob file that was 2 hours and 57 minutes, set the chapter points at every 2 minutes and it was fine. This one was 3 hours and 28 minutes. That would be 104 chapter points. Which is why it was kicking it.

[Toddler]

Originally posted by jdiner
Looking for a single TyStream. I missed the pilot to the Prentender when it came out the other day. I hate to clutter the thread with this type of post but if anyone has it I would really love to get a copy. I want to burn these out as I go rather than have to save them all up until I get back around to the very first episode.

Many thanks,
--jdiner Is there a forum or thread for TyStream requests like this? If not, how about somebody starting one up?

[Pro-289]

Originally posted by jdiner
Yes. There is a way to do it.Mind if I ask how? Is it complicated? Or do I have to change a pixel colour or something?

[jdiner]

Originally posted by Toddler
Is there a forum or thread for TyStream requests like this? If not, how about somebody starting one up?
There is one, lookma-nohands.com but there don't seem to be many people here. So I figured I would ask here were a few people actually hang out and read the messages and what not.

Sadly no takers so far.

--jdiner

[jdiner]

Originally posted by Pro-289
Mind if I ask how? Is it complicated? Or do I have to change a pixel colour or something?
Ummm. I was looking it up. You have to pass a palette file into one of the calls to DVDAuthor. I didn't get any farther than before I fell in trying to install linux. Read up on it at the dvdauthor.sourceforge.net site.

--jdiner

[zenob]

Man, wish I had a copy of Pretender...had no idea the pilot was running...maybe it'll repeat soon?

On a side-note (and more back on topic)... I've been running with 7r8 for awhile (thanks so much jdiner, this app has been awesome!).

Anyways, just moved homes (new network - maybe the problem?), shows were stacking up on my SA Sony Tivo, so when I finally get my comp and box back up, I sit down for some offloading to DVD. I see r10, upgrade/install things, and set about my normal process.

Everything looks good, I successfully burn, then I try to playback and all of my audio is in-sync but my video is seriously garbled...it's distinguishable, but only barely...even the menu is garbled...but I don't see any error messages anywhere.

I tried rolling back to R8, and but it's doing the same thing. The only change to the tytool defaults that I make is for audio transcoding in Mode #5...everything else is the same...and I don't think I've made a single change otherwise.

I've spent 2 hours searching through the forum to no avail - is it something simple that I'm overlooking (and I just need some more coffee?) or does someone have a thread they can refer me to?

Sony SA Tivo, tytool 7r8/7r10, tystream, vob-mux,audio transcoding DVD 48@192, networking dbl socket

Thanks in advance,
Zenob (help! Tivo filling up fast...)

[zenob]

one more cup of coffee and powerdvd instead of my other dvd players and all is fine. Odd how only powerdvd plays it ungarbled...

Fine on my pana dvd player too (assummed if b4 if it was messed on my comp, it'd be messed on it as well.)

Thanks again for the great app, Josh.

-Zenob

[bato]

Originally posted by jdiner
I missed the pilot to the Prentender when it came out the other day. Man I love that show, but I didn't know they were showing from the beginning again, argh!

I see that TNT also transmit in Spanish, this is great for many family members.

I possible to record the same show/same channel one in English the other in Spanish, I want to create the Pretender with alternate audio, that will be sweet.

Sorry about the OT post, but jdiner started :)

[jdiner]

Originally posted by zenob
Man, wish I had a copy of Pretender...had no idea the pilot was running...maybe it'll repeat soon?

No. Not going to repeat soon. There are on season 1 episode 9, maybe 10 today, and there were 4 seasons. But hopefully it will loop around again. I just wanted to be able to start burning things out. But without being able to guess at the size of the downloaded file I can't tell how big things are going to be on the next pass.

--jdienr

[gfb107]

Originally posted by gfb107
See http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=111234&highlight=gfb107#post111234

Any luck with this yet?

[Wabbit]

Jdiner,

First of all I want to thank you for all your hard work. This is my first post here, but I've been following these threads for 9-10 months, and have been having great success at extracting, creating DVDs etc. I really appreciate what you've done.

Now, as to the reason for my post. I have found 1 minor thing I was wondering if you have an answer for. I've been creating DVDs of various TV shows, and for 30 minute shows, occasionally I wind up with more than 12 titles in a batch I want to burn. Currently, your GUI on DVDAuthor will only create 12 title menus. It will not create (that I've found) a second page, nor fit more than 12 titles on the first page. Is there a workaround for this, or something you have planned?

Thanks again!

[jmhenry5150]

jdiner -

Quick question for you on the DVD menu...

It seems as though the DVD menu is in 16x9 instead of 4x3...the reason I think this is, I have a 4x3 TV that can simultate (squish down) to a 16x9 set...and the menus are MUCH nicer (ala, not as many artifacts) when it is in the 16x9 mode...

Now, when I move it to the 4x3 mode, there are tons of artifacts on the menu - mind you, it doesn't look bad, but on a 61" TV, they are noticable...

Also, it seems as though when you preview the menu (in TyTools), that it is formatted for widescreen - instead of full screen...

Any thoughts if this is true?

I know this is nitpicking, but you should be proud that this is all I can find to complain about!!! :) (not really complaining - just curious)

Thanks again - I have been burning like crazy (Curb, Sopranos, Sienfeld, WKRP, Carvivale, Taken, Oz)

[Pro-289]

Originally posted by jmhenry5150
It seems as though the DVD menu is in 16x9 instead of 4x3...the reason I think this is, I have a 4x3 TV that can simultate (squish down) to a 16x9 set...and the menus are MUCH nicer (ala, not as many artifacts) when it is in the 16x9 mode...

Now, when I move it to the 4x3 mode, there are tons of artifacts on the menu - mind you, it doesn't look bad, but on a 61" TV, they are noticable...

Also, it seems as though when you preview the menu (in TyTools), that it is formatted for widescreen - instead of full screen...When you preview your menu, I think it's "what you see is what you get". The menu is created @ 720x480 pixels. On my TV (27" 4:3), it looks like overscan (zoom). Cause about 30 pixels are cut off the left of the screen, and I think a bunch off the right too. I just adjust that for me, and don't put anything in the far edges. I wonder if the menus need to be set for 704x480 instead of 720x480. Guess Josh would know. Maybe I'll experiment.

As for the artifacts, it's how TyTool converts its .BMP menu into a .MPG. It doesn't use the highest quality compression. I think a value of 5 is used. (maybe that's something josh could add. "-q 1" highest quality menu. :D ) But if you recompress the menu yourself and inject it into the dvd file structure, you'll get very few or no artifacts. But that's a bunch of extra stuff to worry about. Easier to just stick with the main dvd process.

[Pro-289]

Originally posted by jdiner
Ummm. I was looking it up. You have to pass a palette file into one of the calls to DVDAuthor. I didn't get any farther than before I fell in trying to install linux. Read up on it at the dvdauthor.sourceforge.net site.Alright. Thanks for the info, and a cool app. :)

[jdiner]

Originally posted by Pro-289
When you preview your menu, I think it's "what you see is what you get". The menu is created @ 720x480 pixels. On my TV (27" 4:3), it looks like overscan (zoom). Cause about 30 pixels are cut off the left of the screen, and I think a bunch off the right too. I just adjust that for me, and don't put anything in the far edges. I wonder if the menus need to be set for 704x480 instead of 720x480. Guess Josh would know. Maybe I'll experiment.

As for the artifacts, it's how TyTool converts its .BMP menu into a .MPG.
I have noticed the cutting on the edges as well. When I use rca connectors I see it. When I use the S-Video connector to my TV I assume there is still some but the names cut off on my little test setup in my office show completely on my JVC 27" tv.

I have contemplated dropping down to 704x480 but I saw no noticable difference. If you tested it what did you see?

I have also noticed the compression errors around the hard edges of the letters when going to mpeg. (Jpeg does the same thing as it is a very similar algorithm...) I have change the quality level permanently within the code. To be honest I had plans to do so way back when and just completely forgot about doing so. It goes lost in the shuffle when I had to go back and figure out the player freezes/pauses on the JVC and others after 6r3.

As for setting the image type to 16:9 from 4:3 I have found online references to many statements that going to that mode will force a tv that can actually handle it to change resolutions and then come back. So I left it all alone. I just didn't think anyone would want that. I hate it when things change the res on my monitor and there is the pop'ing associated with it.

--jdiner

[jdiner]

Folks I am sorry for the delay in getting to a few things. I was doing a unix version of tytool, currently labeled tynix, to try and help a few people out. I realized today that as much as it will help me, on occasion when I am out of town, that it is just eating too much time. I am going shift approaches there in on way or another and try to get back to what more people want including myself.

--jdiner

[jdiner]

Originally posted by jmhenry5150
Quick question for you on the DVD menu...

It seems as though the DVD menu is in 16x9 instead of 4x3...the reason I think this is, I have a 4x3 TV that can simultate (squish down) to a 16x9 set...and the menus are MUCH nicer (ala, not as many artifacts) when it is in the 16x9 mode...

No it is just the largest resolution that the DVD spec allows for: 720x480.

This is still one of the 4:3 resolutions although how they figure that I will never know.

I think a 702 might fit better. But I don't know for sure. Perhaps going down to 480x480 with smaller font sizes but I went for the biggest just for realistate purposes. Trying to fit that much text means we need room, but I also don't like the clipping of the menu picture once I get to my main tv.

--jdiner

[sanderton]

Originally posted by jdiner
No it is just the largest resolution that the DVD spec allows for: 720x480.

This is still one of the 4:3 resolutions although how they figure that I will never know.

I think a 702 might fit better. But I don't know for sure. Perhaps going down to 480x480 with smaller font sizes but I went for the biggest just for realistate purposes. Trying to fit that much text means we need room, but I also don't like the clipping of the menu picture once I get to my main tv.

--jdiner

720 x 480 is the standard DVD 4:3 screen on PAL systems like mine.

I hope you don't break the menus for us in the UK if you change to a US resolution like 702 x 480!

[Roj]

Originally posted by sanderton
720 x 480 is the standard DVD 4:3 screen on PAL systems like mine.

I hope you don't break the menus for us in the UK if you change to a US resolution like 702 x 480!

Isn't 720 x 576 the PAL standard? (for both 4:3 and 16:9)
But 704 x [480/576] is also valid. Not heard of 702 though.

Roj

[jdiner]

Originally posted by sanderton
720 x 480 is the standard DVD 4:3 screen on PAL systems like mine.

I hope you don't break the menus for us in the UK if you change to a US resolution like 702 x 480!
If I do anything it will be an option at this point and not something that is forced.

I want to do a whole lot more with menu creation anyway. Time to get background images, and movable boxes for putting the text up, multiple pages of menus etc...

--jdiner

[jdiner]

Originally posted by Roj
Isn't 720 x 576 the PAL standard? (for both 4:3 and 16:9)
But 704 x [480/576] is also valid. Not heard of 702 though.

702 is a legal DVD resolution in the spec. Beyond that I don't have a great deal of information about it. But so many are complaining about the clipping I am looking for techniques to reduce it and make things fit better.

--jdiner

[Pro-289]

Originally posted by jdiner
I have noticed the cutting on the edges as well. When I use rca connectors I see it. When I use the S-Video connector to my TV I assume there is still some but the names cut off on my little test setup in my office show completely on my JVC 27" tv.

I have contemplated dropping down to 704x480 but I saw no noticable difference. If you tested it what did you see?

I have also noticed the compression errors around the hard edges of the letters when going to mpeg. (Jpeg does the same thing as it is a very similar algorithm...) I have change the quality level permanently within the code. To be honest I had plans to do so way back when and just completely forgot about doing so. It goes lost in the shuffle when I had to go back and figure out the player freezes/pauses on the JVC and others after 6r3.

As for setting the image type to 16:9 from 4:3 I have found online references to many statements that going to that mode will force a tv that can actually handle it to change resolutions and then come back. So I left it all alone. I just didn't think anyone would want that. I hate it when things change the res on my monitor and there is the pop'ing associated with it.I haven't done the 704 tests yet. But I did some other screen area tests. I found that the inner most ~650x460 is all I see on my TV. Top, bottom, left, and right all get chopped. I think this extreem is just my TV. It's a cheap composite video only TV. I don't think it has anything to do with 720x480, but I'll mess with it anyway.

I found some .RGB palette color settings for the menu if you're interested. You can set the color and opacity of the menu entries and of the whole button background area. Makes for a neat selection bar effect.

[jdiner]

Originally posted by Pro-289

I found some .RGB palette color settings for the menu if you're interested. You can set the color and opacity of the menu entries and of the whole button background area. Makes for a neat selection bar effect.
Sure. Send them on over. The more that gets added the better this is for everyone.

--jdiner

[bluedog68]

Originally posted by jdiner
If I do anything it will be an option at this point and not something that is forced.

I want to do a whole lot more with menu creation anyway. Time to get background images, and movable boxes for putting the text up, multiple pages of menus etc...

--jdiner

How about a "No Menu" option?

[Pro-289]

Originally posted by bluedog68
How about a "No Menu" option?That'd be neat for those times you only have 1 show burn, and it starts playing automatically.

[jdiner]

Originally posted by bluedog68
How about a "No Menu" option?
That is on the list as well.

Also is a "one into the next" mode with no menu. For those that were burning things for the kids/car.

Easily enough done but it will be automated now...

--jdiner

[eastwind]

Here's the info from http://www.dvddemystified.com/dvdfaq.html section 3.4:


"Allowable picture resolutions are:
MPEG-2, 525/60 (NTSC): 720x480, 704x480, 352x480, 352x240
MPEG-2, 625/50 (PAL): 720x576, 704x576, 352x576, 352x288
MPEG-1, 525/60 (NTSC): 352x240
MPEG-1, 625/50 (PAL): 352x288"
(highlighted for emphasis)

For anyone interested.
ew

[jdiner]

Originally posted by eastwind
Here's the info from http://www.dvddemystified.com/dvdfaq.html section 3.4:


"Allowable picture resolutions are:
MPEG-2, 525/60 (NTSC): 720x480, 704x480, 352x480, 352x240
MPEG-2, 625/50 (PAL): 720x576, 704x576, 352x576, 352x288
MPEG-1, 525/60 (NTSC): 352x240
MPEG-1, 625/50 (PAL): 352x288"

Woah. That is different than what I have seen everywhere else. I wonder who is telling the truth. A quick web search turned up tons of sites that show both resolutions. Lovely...

--jdiner

[eastwind]

Josh,
I think the correct number is 704. Two reasons:
1. 704 is a multiple of 16. I know I've read somewhere that most video encoding will follow that rule (or was it a multiple of 8?).
2. 704 is exactly double 352. 352x480 is also called 'Half D1' and is also a multiple of 16.

ew

[jdiner]

Makes sense. 704 it is. I think I will try adding an option for it.

But something that just dawned on me is to move the boxes where I render the text closer together in the middle of the menu will help with that as well.

--jdiner

[eastwind]

Originally posted by jdiner
Makes sense. 704 it is. I think I will try adding an option for it.

But something that just dawned on me is to move the boxes where I render the text closer together in the middle of the menu will help with that as well.

--jdiner

another option might be to only use a second column when it becomes necessary?

EW

[penogg]

Hey, I'm pretty fried and can't figure out why I can't seem to get Tytools to run on my 2nd HDVR2.....I keep getting the following error when I try to go into extraction:

Telnet side:

[/var/hack/tserver]# ./tserver
Waiting for an incomming connection!
SERVER: We got a message! buf = 'SHOWING'
sh: ./NowShowing.tcl: No such file or directory
Waiting for an incomming connection

Tivo Client Alpha #7 rel 10 side:

Trancode Selected Mode: 7
Ready...
Reading list from the server...
Clear Now Showing List...
Connecting to '192.168.1.144'
Connected...
Getting NowShowing data...
Sorry.. Could not obtain the list.

[rob2k1]

Originally posted by penogg

[/var/hack/tserver]# ./tserver
Waiting for an incomming connection!
SERVER: We got a message! buf = 'SHOWING'
sh: ./NowShowing.tcl: No such file or directory
Waiting for an incomming connection



Looks like the same problem I had when I failed to transfer NowShowing.tcl in binary using WS_FTP.

[penogg]

Ok I tranfered it over using WS_FTP Pro from tytool 7r10 (everything as of 9-12-2003)


Can you define:
NowShowing.tcl in binary using WS_FTP

THanks!
P

[FredThompson]

Originally posted by eastwind
Josh,
I think the correct number is 704. Two reasons:
1. 704 is a multiple of 16. I know I've read somewhere that most video encoding will follow that rule (or was it a multiple of 8?).
2. 704 is exactly double 352. 352x480 is also called 'Half D1' and is also a multiple of 16.

ew
OK, here's a little explanation.

The actual defined image area, as specified by NTSC TV is 704 width. However, the extra 16 are for overscan. It is a huge mistake to assume all you need is 704 pixels. Why? Which 704 pixels? Take a close look at you'll see the overscan borders are variable. That's where the 720 number comes from. Many pure digital formats (Digital8, miniDV, DV, etc.) will use all 720 pixels.

I've spent huge amounts of time with analog encoding cropping and padding borders to center an image. It's not worth it becaue the border arrangement will vary per program/channel. If your source is 720, just keep it. If you DO decide to crop, be very careful or your authored title will have improper aspect ratio.

wrt the ugly aspect of ragged edges and edge fuzz, you shouldn't see it on a proper TV that much because it's intended to be in the overscan area. If you want to watch under Windoze, use Media Player Classic and ffdshow with an overlay to cover up the junk edges. If your CPU is powerful enough, play with DCTFilter also to reduce blockiness. With Linux (which I don't run), it sure looks like mplayer doesn't properly handle the 4:2:0 chroma sizing. Media Player Classic does a far better job. http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_8_2/dvd-benchmark-special-report-chroma-bug-4-2001.html

I'll put together a proper how-to for Media Player Classic soon. Using black overlay also has a nice use visibly removing source pulled from Fox News Channel, CNN and any others that run a ticker on the bottom of the screen. Overlay in the player has a huge benefit in that it doesn't require any re-encoding of streams.

-- oops --

y'all were talking about MPEG stills.

Josh, take a look at VCD Toolkit: http://www.geocities.com/mikk999/ http://www.icdia.org/cdprosupport/vcd/vcd2x/vcd2x.htm http://www.dvdrhelp.com/VCD2TK_Index.htm

You might also be interested in these "turn the cd" animations: http://www.chez.com/ripitall/turncd.htm

I'm hunting for free menu makers and antialiased video fonts. Will let you know via PM if I find anything useful.

These are also interesting:
http://www.vcdimager.org/index.phtml
(watch this line, there's a great site about control XML, I'll find it...)

[maule]

Originally posted by penogg
Ok I tranfered it over using WS_FTP Pro from tytool 7r10 (everything as of 9-12-2003)


Can you define:
NowShowing.tcl in binary using WS_FTP

THanks!
P
I think what he's saying is, NowShowing.tcl is a text file, and if you send it binary, it messes it up. You want to send it as text.

[BubbleLamp]

Originally posted by maule
I think what he's saying is, NowShowing.tcl is a text file, and if you send it binary, it messes it up. You want to send it as text.

Actually, just the opposite. While it's true the file is ASCII, it's also a *nix file. What happens is that sometimes doing an ASCII xfer from a DOS/Winbloze box ends up hosing the file. This can often be spotted by comparing the file sizes. By using BINARY mode, it tells the FTP client not to assume anything about the file, just transfer as it is. Thus, a false end isn't triggered by a dumb FTP app from a mistaken EOF.

To reiterate,

1 Delete the old NowShowing file
2 Force your FTP client to use BINARY mode and transfer the NowShowing.tcl file again.
3 chmod +x NowShowing.tcl

[penogg]

Ok did that, and now I get this:

[/var/hack/tserver]#
[/var/hack/tserver]# ./tserver
Waiting for an incomming connection!
SERVER: We got a message! buf = 'SHOWING'
syntax error in expression "*60*60"
while executing
"expr $tz*60*60"
(procedure "get_tzoffset" line 34)
invoked from within
"get_tzoffset $setuptz $daylightsavings"
(procedure "init_db" line 54)
invoked from within
"init_db"
(file "./NowShowing.tcl" line 468)
Waiting for an incomming connection!

[Pro-289]

Here's what I found messing with a .rgb palette file. Doesn't quite jive with what this site (http://www.tappin.me.uk/Linux/dvd.html) says the colours are. Don't know why. But here is an example in RRGGBB format.

000000
000000
000000
000000

00FF00 = Highlighted pixels (example is green)
000000
000000
FF0000 = Selected pixels (example is red)

000000
000000
000000
000000

000000
000000
000000
0000FF = Not Highlighted pixels (example is blue)

888888 = Some type of highlighted area mask
888888 = Some type of selected area mask

The masks do different effects if you have the same pixels in the menu.bmp as you have in the overlay.bmp or if you removed them from the menu.bmp but still kept that area a "button" overlay mask. If the masked colours aren't used, then it doesn't matter if the pixels are in the menu.bmp or not. Only the overlay matters. The "000000" values seem to be not used.

[penogg]

Ok, now that I’m awake.

I seemed to have fixed the problem.

I started looking at the error code “Daylight Savings” and noticed that my clock was not in my time zone.

So, I set the Tivo to manual time zone settings and BINGO it worked!

So I guess that was it?

Thanks for your help (all) !

P

[Casper42]

I hope this is the right thread. I was wondering if anyone else noticed a memory leak in TyTools r10 when using the VOB-Mux files option?

I started a download of 10, 30 min shows with a copy of TyTools 7r10 and walked away.

Came back and 4 of the shows has transferred, so I cracked open a second copy of TyTools 7r10 from the same dir, and then used this second copy to Make Keys, Edit Keys and then VOB-Mux the 4 files that were done (the 5th was still downloading)

By the time all 4 had been VOB-Mux'd, the 5th was ready. So I cracked open Task Mangler to see what the VOB-Mux process was doing, and I noticed that before starting the 5th VOB-Mux, the process was using 210MB of RAM. I VOB-Mux'd that 5th file and now its sitting at 264MB of ram used.

Anyone else seeing this?

Shouldnt TyTools release that memory when the VOB-Mux'ing completes?

[jdiner]

There are a number of processes that take and hold memory within tytool. 24 meg or so is not that big a shock to me because I know what it does.

Did it continue to eat more and more memory or did it stop there?

I have been over it and over and none of the processes leak memory when tested here. One person reported a memory leak while it was just sitting idle under XP. But until recently I had no way to test this and when it is idle there is nothing happening to even leak memory.

So while I don't think there is a memory leak, I suppose it is possible. Try the same type of thing again and report on what you observe dealing with the memory.

I processed a testbed of 103 shows in the last 24 hours under XP. No memory leaks or other issues.

--jdiner

[Casper42]

Its not a memory leak in the common sense, that you dont get the memory back. Its just that I am processing 30 min shows over and over, and it grows for each show. I would expect it to grow DURING the processing of a show, but right before it started to process the next show I would expect the mem usage to drop down.

Only way to get the mem back seems to be to close Tytools and Re-Open. Not a big deal obviously, but since You can batch stuff with TyTools, I was hoping to batch maybe 20 shows together for processing, and if it eats 50Mb of ram per show, that adds up pretty quick.

I have a GB of PC3200 though so I'm not really worried, was just somethign I noticed.

I'll do a 1 minute per perfmon capture to csv the next time i run a batch and report the results back here.

[jdiner]

That was exactly my point. I did 103 1 hour shows by selecting 103 and of them at one time and starting the processing.

It grabs the base chunk and that goes up memory wise.

Then it grabs a little bit more and and releases it as it actually processes, so I see a flicker of 4-5 meg overall during the processing of a single show. But no more or less.

As all 100+ are processed things follow the above pattern. Then at the end when processing is done things are still in that range.

--jdiner

[Casper42]

Downloaded 3 shows of 533m each
Make Key Files
Edit Key Files
Loaded the 3 files into the VOB-Mux Menu

Perfmon in 15 second intervals.
Notable Events added with their apropriate time.

"(PDH-CSV 4.0) (Pacific Daylight Time)(420)","\\CASPER\Process(TyTool7r10)\Working Set"
"10/04/2003 22:08:02.890","5038080"
"10/04/2003 22:08:17.890","5038080"
"10/04/2003 22:08:32.890","5038080"
"10/04/2003 22:08:47.890","5038080"
22:09:00 Clicked Process for VOB-Mux
"10/04/2003 22:09:02.890","8069120"
"10/04/2003 22:09:17.890","12337152"
"10/04/2003 22:09:32.890","16596992"
"10/04/2003 22:09:47.890","23834624"
"10/04/2003 22:10:02.890","28446720"
"10/04/2003 22:10:17.890","32935936"
"10/04/2003 22:10:32.890","37179392"
"10/04/2003 22:10:47.890","41611264"
"10/04/2003 22:11:02.890","46383104"
"10/04/2003 22:11:17.890","50823168"
"10/04/2003 22:11:32.890","55123968"
"10/04/2003 22:11:47.890","59543552"
22:12:01 first done, second started
"10/04/2003 22:12:02.890","61595648"
"10/04/2003 22:12:17.890","64638976"
"10/04/2003 22:12:32.890","68354048"
"10/04/2003 22:12:47.890","72392704"
"10/04/2003 22:13:02.890","79441920"
"10/04/2003 22:13:17.890","83886080"
"10/04/2003 22:13:32.890","88698880"
"10/04/2003 22:13:47.890","93122560"
"10/04/2003 22:14:02.890","97509376"
"10/04/2003 22:14:17.890","101851136"
"10/04/2003 22:14:32.890","106405888"
"10/04/2003 22:14:47.890","110620672"
"10/04/2003 22:15:02.890","115224576"
22:15:07 second done, third started
"10/04/2003 22:15:17.890","116465664"
"10/04/2003 22:15:32.890","120713216"
"10/04/2003 22:15:47.890","124956672"
"10/04/2003 22:16:02.890","132272128"
"10/04/2003 22:16:17.890","136519680"
"10/04/2003 22:16:32.890","141037568"
"10/04/2003 22:16:47.890","145346560"
"10/04/2003 22:17:02.890","149856256"
"10/04/2003 22:17:17.890","154374144"
"10/04/2003 22:17:32.890","158830592"
"10/04/2003 22:17:47.890","163409920"
"10/04/2003 22:18:02.890","168042496"
22:18:08 third done
"10/04/2003 22:18:17.890","164896768"
"10/04/2003 22:18:32.890","164896768"
"10/04/2003 22:18:47.890","164904960"
"10/04/2003 22:19:02.890","164904960"
"10/04/2003 22:19:17.890","164904960"

Hope that better explains my situation.
3, 30 min episodes takes TyTools from 5MB to 165MB and after its done processing, it never releases.

[Casper42]

jdiner, got another mystery for you. Ever seen this or know what I'm doing wrong?

Compare the attachment with page 8 (of 9) in the TyTools Short Step by Step PDF

As you can see, the Video in my screen shot is squished left and there is a green section filling the void. The Stargate screen shot on page 8 doesnt have this problem.

Using TyTools 7r10
Only option I changed was the Audio to #5
Extract From TiVo SA (OG Philips)
Make Key Files
Edit Key Files, GOP Editor shows attached screen.

[Casper42]

PS: I know I'm a pest, but I do want you to know I appreciate the work you put into this tool. Its truly amazing. (Even my non techie wife is impressed)

You got a Wish List for HW/SW? Or maybe a Donation page?

[jdiner]

Originally posted by Casper42
jdiner, got another mystery for you. Ever seen this or know what I'm doing wrong?

Compare the attachment with page 8 (of 9) in the TyTools Short Step by Step PDF

As you can see, the Video in my screen shot is squished left and there is a green section filling the void. The Stargate screen shot on page 8 doesnt have this problem.

Using TyTools 7r10
Only option I changed was the Audio to #5
Extract From TiVo SA (OG Philips)
Make Key Files
Edit Key Files, GOP Editor shows attached screen.

The green on the left is because it is an SA tivo stream. The SA Tivo encodes and puts this there with certain versions of the Tivo OS. 2.5.2 I know did this. 3.X still has the "gap" but it is black. At least it was for me... This green bar is there even during playback in a normal fashion with a TV. But since the tv purposefully clips things on all 4 sides to varying degress you just never see it. On a PC you will always see it as no clipping is performed on a TV you should never see it.

The "squished" output is because of 2 things, the video came from an SA tivo and the gopeditor is not done. At least it is not fully completed...

The resolution on an SA tivo is often 352x480. I ran in this mode alot when I still used mine as it was a standard size and hense no resizing was neede. (My SA Tivo has been sitting unplugged on the kitchen table for a year or so...) I have pretty much been using my DTivo since I got it, and the res there is always 480x480. So GopEditor uses this res by default.

If you have a 352x480 stream it will appear smashed to the left. If you have a tweaked SA tivo running 540 or 720 x480 resolutions, then GopEditor will clip the right hand edge off.

This does not affect playback later when used on a different player. Either pc software like PowerDVD/WinDVD or on a hardware player that is compatible with things. This is just a rendering issue with my own program.

The editor was built to resize the video but like I said I stopped working on in when I realized there were many problems with playing things back on various players. When I get back to it this will be finished as well.

--jdiner

[jdiner]

Originally posted by Casper42
PS: I know I'm a pest, but I do want you to know I appreciate the work you put into this tool. Its truly amazing. (Even my non techie wife is impressed)

You got a Wish List for HW/SW? Or maybe a Donation page?
Right now my biggest wish is for DVD supplies I tore through a bunch in the early phase of testing.

If you wish to donate then feel free to use paypal. My account is joshua@best.com.

--jdiner

[jdiner]

Originally posted by Casper42
Downloaded 3 shows of 533m each
Make Key Files
Edit Key Files
Loaded the 3 files into the VOB-Mux Menu

Perfmon in 15 second intervals.
Notable Events added with their apropriate time.

Hope that better explains my situation.
3, 30 min episodes takes TyTools from 5MB to 165MB and after its done processing, it never releases.
Which one of the three stages where you at when you started monitoring things?

I do those over and over and over what seems like every day without fail or memory leaks.

What specific version of TyTool are you using?

Also what version of the OS do you use? With all of the specifics pleas? I do what I do under Win2k w/SP1 on a dual CPU and a single CPU box and I experience no memory leaks.

I will have to add in the memory monitoring code I used early on so that this can be more easily monitored.

Also what mode did you download in? TyStream or mux mode?

Any audio transcoding selected?

I need full details to try and track this down.

--jdiner

[jdiner]

I have been trying to stitch a few .vob files, from .ty sources, together to make a single show. This feature has now been added to TyTool to make it easier. So you can add/stitch multiple .vobs into a single menu entry within the GUI.

Nice when you are trying to piece a whole show together from damaged parts.

--jdiner

[jdiner]

If anyone here is a HTML wizard and wants to help out the forum and the users of TyTool and has some time please PM me. After answering the same questions for what feels like the millionth time I want to grab the answers I have posted and posted over the last few years and put together a detaile faq/website/blog/something...

Somewhere to send people to look at things rather when the same old questions come up and up and up. But HTML is definately not my strong suit. So if anyone wants to help out I would really appriciate it.

--jdiner

[osetivo]

Originally posted by jdiner
I have been trying to stitch a few .vob files, from .ty sources, together to make a single show. This feature has now been added to TyTool to make it easier. So you can add/stitch multiple .vobs into a single menu entry within the GUI.

Nice when you are trying to piece a whole show together from damaged parts.

--jdiner

Great News, I would love to combine the Part 1 and Part 2 of several shows.

As always, thanks for all the hard work Josh

[Casper42]

Originally posted by jdiner
Which one of the three stages where you at when you started monitoring things? I downloaded the files, then did a File, Make Key, then a File Edit Key (Usually cropping first 8-10 minutes and last 30 seconds) then Clicked File, VOB-Mux and added the files to bottom list, but did NOT click Process. Then I cracked open PerfMon and started to monitor. After a little bit to show the memory usage was static, I clicked the PROCESS Button for the VOB-Mux phase. Then I just sat back and watched as it processed the 3 files. I added markers to show where 1 file finished and the next started as well as when all 3 were done and it went back to an idle state.

I do those over and over and over what seems like every day without fail or memory leaks.

What specific version of TyTool are you using? 7r10

Also what version of the OS do you use? With all of the specifics pleas? I do what I do under Win2k w/SP1 on a dual CPU and a single CPU box and I experience no memory leaks. Windows XP w/ SP1 and all current MS Patches. Single Athlon XP 2500 Barton on a Asus A7N8X

I will have to add in the memory monitoring code I used early on so that this can be more easily monitored.

Also what mode did you download in? TyStream or mux mode? TyStream

Any audio transcoding selected? #5 - DVD @ 192

I need full details to try and track this down.

--jdiner

[jdiner]

Right. It must be part of the transcoding code as I never use that. I put it in there for others that needed it. (Actually I did use it once... :)

There are 3 versions of XP. Pro, office, home. Which one do you use?

--jdiner

[Casper42]

Pro

Supplies: -R? +R? -RW? Speed?

[jdiner]

That is what I use too. I have not a had change to really dig in yet and see what is losing memory. I was going to try and get to it tonight but I wasn't in the mood. :)

--jdiner

[Toddler]

Casper.

Why don't you test it without transcoding just to see if that's reallywhere the problem is? I think it probably is, but there are also others here doing exactly what you're doing who aren't seeing what you're seeing.

Toddler

[jdiner]

Alright. I have been working on the menu creation portion of things to try and get nicer menus. Sadly not the IFO fileset portions just the visual part.

I have added a few new modes:

1- A check-menu that allows for the displaying of the preview popup window all of the time. (I.e. not a splash-screen type thing...) So that you can watch it build the display as you go. Makes doing things quite a bit easier.

2- A custom window for the laying out of text-position-boxes for the positioning of menus. Loading and saving of these templates, etc... Thus you can build a simple format and just use it over and over. This will allow for creating single column on the left, the right, in the center (I have actually built these 3, as well as made one for the previous mode) etc...

The "builder" portion is a nice slick Win32 custom control that has rubber band boxing etc... So great for windows users but not all that portable to other systems (mac, linux, etc...) But you should be able to create them on a PC even if you have to borrow it and then just copy of the template over to these platforms to use...

3- The ability to load a BITMAP as the background for the menu. Sadly it is only the bitmap. I have looked for code/libs/??? to load JPG and GIF for the background but something simple, small and stable to do so does not seem exist. (If anyone knows of something or has it please let me know.) But almost all modern drawing programs will output a Windows bitmap so it should not be that hard.

4- Started the portion to allow for setting the color of the selected and non-selected text.

There is more that can and should be done with this, but when all coupled together it is possible to build some nice looking static menus in a simple fashion.

Now I just need nice backgrounds images for some of the menus I want to build. Anyone have anything nice for Smallville? :)

--jdiner

[jdiner]

Also I have been working steadily on the mux'er in general and the output with editing.

I have managed to get rid of the glitches at the edit points with some changes to how things are being done. But this part needs some serious testing to make sure it is right. I am going to putting it through it's paces for a short time and then will be making a release. So if anyone is waiting for better editing it is on it's way.

THIS IS NOT FRAME ACCURATE, JUST BETTER GOP EDITING.

--jdiner

[bluedog68]

Originally posted by jdiner
Alright. I have been working on the menu creation portion of things to try and get nicer menus. Sadly not the IFO fileset portions just the visual part...............

--jdiner

Will the "No menu" option be included?

If begging helps, let me know.

Thanks......

[bato]

Originally posted by jdiner
But this part needs some serious testing to make sure it is right. If you need a tester...

[mavrcksd]

I'll gladly help you test as well.

I just got a new HDVR2 - hacked with tserver_mips

would like to get some of the stuff off of that.

MAV

Also, didnt you mention about doing a html FAQ? - I'll help ya there too -

[Pro-289]

Originally posted by jdiner
Now I just need nice backgrounds images for some of the menus I want to build. Anyone have anything nice for Smallville? :D

[jdiner]

Originally posted by bluedog68
Will the "No menu" option be included?

If begging helps, let me know.

Thanks......
No but money does... So do cookies... :)

--jdiner

[jdiner]

Originally posted by Pro-289
:D
Very cool. Many thanks.

--jdiner

[eastwind]

Originally posted by jdiner

Now I just need nice backgrounds images for some of the menus I want to build. Anyone have anything nice for Smallville? :)




I just use PowerDVD and pause it on a good image then capture it. Probably can use any s/w dvd player, though.

ew

[asicguyca]

Originally posted by jdiner
No but money does... So do cookies... :)

--jdiner

jdiner,

If you are accepting donations, please post method. I would be very pleased to contribute for these most excellent tools.

Thanks

asicguyca

[mavrcksd]

Its worth having these tools for some $$
MAV

[jdiner]

Originally posted by Casper42
Pro

Supplies: -R? +R? -RW? Speed?
As for supplies -R media would be lovely... :)

Anywhere from 1x to 4x will work.

--jdiner

[jdiner]

Originally posted by asicguyca
jdiner,

If you are accepting donations, please post method. I would be very pleased to contribute for these most excellent tools.

If you wish to donate to the cause you can use paypal. My account is joshua@best.com.

EDIT: Forgot the "the" in there. That is what happens when I try to type to fast... :)

--jdiner

[gobsmack]

Originally posted by eastwind
I just use PowerDVD and pause it on a good image then capture it. Probably can use any s/w dvd player, though.

ew

Great tip -- thanks for posting this.

[gobsmack]

This was the output from an episode of "Curb Your Enthusiasm" that crashed TyTool 7r10.

I'm sure there are lots of extractions that don't work for various reasons, so I'm not sure if you want to hear about it, Joshua, when the slightest little crash occurs. Nevertheless....

Detected Tivo Type: DTivo
Detected Audio Stream Type: MPEG Layer II
Final standardAudioSize = 588
Final standardFrameLength = 576
Final standardAudioDiff = 2160 or 00:00:00.024
First Video PTS: 00:00:20.095
......... 100......... 200......... 300......... 400......... 500

......... 600......... 700......... 800......... 900......... 1000

......... 1100......... 1200......... 1300......... 1400......... 1500

......... 1600.......
PTS Reset Detected... Correction in progress...
Found an OOB packet... The Audio Diff is: 03:44:46.628
Is it in sequence??? It is OFF by exactly 561942.833333 frames.
Nope... Not in sequence... Skipping it...

[Pro-289]

If anyone's looking for menu backgrounds to import into the upcoming TyTool, check out this thread (http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=28200).
Feel free to post your own backgrounds too. :)

[jdiner]

Originally posted by gobsmack
Great tip -- thanks for posting this.
The latest version of GopEditor does this directly during editing. As with everything else mentioned in the last few days this has yet to be released.

I have added a few other really nice things to GopEditor that should make people very happy.

Going to try and get a configurable interface into place so that people can define keys to have certain actions in a .ini file. I have had a few people ask for this type of thing. Not sure if it will make it in but while I am working on that program it seemed like a good time to try and get to it.

--jdiner

[jdiner]

Originally posted by gobsmack
This was the output from an episode of "Curb Your Enthusiasm" that crashed TyTool 7r10.

I'm sure there are lots of extractions that don't work for various reasons, so I'm not sure if you want to hear about it, Joshua, when the slightest little crash occurs. Nevertheless....

Detected Tivo Type: DTivo
Detected Audio Stream Type: MPEG Layer II
Final standardAudioSize = 588
Final standardFrameLength = 576
Final standardAudioDiff = 2160 or 00:00:00.024
First Video PTS: 00:00:20.095
......... 100......... 200......... 300......... 400......... 500

......... 600......... 700......... 800......... 900......... 1000

......... 1100......... 1200......... 1300......... 1400......... 1500

......... 1600.......
PTS Reset Detected... Correction in progress...
Found an OOB packet... The Audio Diff is: 03:44:46.628
Is it in sequence??? It is OFF by exactly 561942.833333 frames.
Nope... Not in sequence... Skipping it...
Does it actually crash the program or just print the above? The above is just TyTool/VSplit doing it's job. It found something that was supposed to be good that was not. As a result it skips it and continues. The above is not a bug/crash. Was there more or just this?

--jdiner

[xxxx]

Originally posted by jdiner
The green on the left is because it is an SA tivo stream. The SA Tivo encodes and puts this there with certain versions of the Tivo OS. 2.5.2 I know did this. 3.X still has the "gap" but it is black. At least it was for me... This green bar is there even during playback in a normal fashion with a TV. But since the tv purposefully clips things on all 4 sides to varying degress you just never see it. On a PC you will always see it as no clipping is performed on a TV you should never see it.

I'm probably teaching my grandmother to suck eggs but on the UK Tivo it is possible to modify the fpga7114.o file and so remove the green band (on the right in UK Tivos) from recordings totally, including when viewed on a PC. I think that it's to do with the horizontal shift. I don't know to what extent this applies to US Tivos, if at all.

[Toddler]

Originally posted by xxxx

I'm probably teaching my grandmother to suck eggs but on the UK Tivo it is possible to modify the fpga7114.o file and so remove the green band (on the right in UK Tivos) from recordings totally, including when viewed on a PC. I think that it's to do with the horizontal shift. I don't know to what extent this applies to US Tivos, if at all. More info?

[gobsmack]

Josh,

It crashes the tool. Dump report here (http://www.vecreati.com/cyedump.txt)

Txt from tytool, verbosity level 3 here (http:/www.vecreati.com/cye.ty.txt.zip)

key file (if you need it?) here (http:/www.vecreati.com/cye.ty.key)

Note: it is 10am CST and the last 2 files are uploading to my server through my DSL straw right now; may take 40 min to upload both (huge!) files.

[jdiner]

Originally posted by gobsmack

Txt from tytool, verbosity level 3 here (http:/www.vecreati.com/cye.ty.txt)

Note: it is 10am CST and the last 2 files are uploading to my server through my DSL straw right now; may take 40 min to upload both (huge!) files.

please please please zip the level 3 log file. It is all pure text and will smash down to 1/100th the size of the .txt file. The I can download something a touch more reasonable.

Also what tool does it crash. It is the generation of the key file that is the problem or the editing of it or the vob production post editing?

EDIT: I am going to assume that you meant that is had crashed TyTool itself and not the visual editor. I need to see a segment of the tystream file to know what is going on.

Look at the position markers in the file and cut a segment using tyFileSplit from here on the forum.

Do:

TyFileSplit File.in file.out 1660 40

and you will get a file in file.out that is a valid tystream. Then test that new segment with TyTool to make sure the error is within it and then send me that segment or put it up somewhere for me to download. Then I can look into it.

--jdiner

[jdiner]

Originally posted by xxxx
Originally posted by jdiner
I'm probably teaching my grandmother to suck eggs but on the UK Tivo it is possible to modify the fpga7114.o file and so remove the green band (on the right in UK Tivos) from recordings totally, including when viewed on a PC. I think that it's to do with the horizontal shift. I don't know to what extent this applies to US Tivos, if at all.
Editing a fully binary module like that to make a change like this is possible but insanely difficult. You will be much better off to just re-encode. There are a ton of ways to do this. us tmpgenc with a nice set of crop and resize filters to cut the bad part and then shift it back to the right size. Or perhaps just a center filter to not strech the data and leave a black border on the left. There is also a non-visible border on the right on some versions of the tivo OS but it is black so it is not very noticable.

Another way would be to use something like VirtualDub and frameserve the converted data to tmpgenc or something like it for re-compression.

Be aware that in the past when trying this type of thing the system took 4+ hours to convert and re-compress 42 minutes of a commercial-cut 1 hour show.

Doing either of the above will let you produce an mpeg with out the green band. However on a TV with a DVD player you should still not be able to see it at all. They just plain work that way.

If all you want is a PC only playback method then I would look into a proper filter, perhaps writing your own, for MediaPlayer et al... that will just mask it out during playback. Mechanically it is easily enough done. Since the width of the green can be calculated from the data itself the process would be just:

Decode the mpeg-2 video frame data.
Discover the width of the green band.
fill widthx480 pixels to black.
display the frame.

With mplayer and other things out there for direct playback you could try something like that.

--jdiner

[Pro-289]

Originally posted by jdiner
Now I just need nice backgrounds images for some of the menus I want to build. Anyone have anything nice for Smallville?Check this site (http://www.khitomer.net/index.php?page=main&genre=fantasy&series=smallville&season=3), as posted by phoenixZed in another thread. Cool site. Puts my gfx work to shame. :o

[jdiner]

Originally posted by Pro-289
Check this site (http://www.khitomer.net/index.php?page=main&genre=fantasy&series=smallville&season=3), as posted by phoenixZed in another thread. Cool site. Puts my gfx work to shame. :o
Woah my goodness. Now that is a sweet set of pictures. Man alive.

If I had known about those kinds of things before hand I would have done this a long long time ago. But I can't draw/do that kind of thing. So it was never important to me until recently.

Wow. Again thanks for the link.

The good news is that I have spent over 10 hours today on TyTool and the newest features trying to get them ready for prime time. It is amazing things things I miss when I am doing development.

Little things like you could add a background bitmap but you couldn't get rid of it without closing the dialog and starting over. Makes sense if you think about it right. I was working over my read bitmap code, the preview code, the generation code, etc... (Infact in writing this I just thought of a bug and it has been fixed... :)

Next you could select a bitmap but it didn't after that tell you what it was that you had selected. Hey I only had 1 BMP so I always knew what it was. That has been fixed today.

And so on...

There are a few more things I want to try and get fixed before making the release. Doing so will make all of this much much more usable.

So sorry for the delay But I do think that people will really like this stuff once it comes out. So to whet peoples appetites here are a few new screen shots of things.

One of the things to change is to finalize the menu element positioning etc... So that things don't appear in location that people do not want them in.

--jdiner

[gobsmack]

Looks great -- love the center/right alignment

One question: the text box (at present) doesn't always give you enough vertical space for your text (depends on font), even when you have plenty-o-space horizontally for your text.

I'm sure there is some term for this in quark/font speak. I have no idea how you'd fix it, but quick way might be some "bump" arrows that would bump up the size of the text box vertically once you realize it ain't gonna fit.... (y's = v's, g's = o's, etc).

Awesome. Still owe you a file w/error chunk...

[jdiner]

Originally posted by gobsmack
Looks great -- love the center/right alignment

One question: the text box (at present) doesn't always give you enough vertical space for your text (depends on font), even when you have plenty-o-space horizontally for your text.

I'm sure there is some term for this in quark/font speak. I have no idea how you'd fix it, but quick way might be some "bump" arrows that would bump up the size of the text box vertically once you realize it ain't gonna fit.... (y's = v's, g's = o's, etc).

That happens when things won't fit all on one line. So it wraps and centers. I have seen it too. I just wind up dropping the font to make it work.

Right now the postion of the boxes are hard coded. That will go away with the next release (if I get that far, or in the one after if I do not...) and you will be able to play with such things yourself. But I have noticed that I made the text rather huge in what I did by default compared to what most other programs use.

So just drop the font it will change the way things wrap as the size changes and you will be good.

--jdiner

[gobsmack]

{edited}

Josh,

That strange tytool error continues with this one cursed .ty. I'm not looking for a fix, just hoping that this is helpful for your diagnostic purposes

Copied the bad.ty to a new machine. Now, when making key file, that same error appears at 1660 or so, but it goes back to making the rest of the key file. Then, when it is finished, the tytool crashes.

Oddly enough, though, the key file is usable -- you can edit it. However, when you next mux the file, Tytool crashes.

So, here (http://vecreati.com/baddie.zip) is the bad portion of the file (just where you pointed). It crashes tytool every time.

t

[jdiner]

Alright. I have started to draw the line in the sand for this next release.

The always up preview window has been pulled and won't go in for awhile. Every single thing I add is forcing me to modify it right now. And so it is gone until things stabilize and I can do it just one more time rather than everytime things change.

I would rather put the time into the new template system etc...

--jdiner

[jdiner]

Originally posted by gobsmack

That strange tytool error continues with this one cursed .ty. I'm not looking for a fix, just hoping that this is helpful for your diagnostic purposes
I have it downloaded now. I will take a look at it in the next little while. I am going to finish what I am working on at the moment first.

--jdiner

[xxxx]

Originally posted by Toddler
More info?

There's an active thread on the UK section of the TivoCommunity board: http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=128288

A clever chap there has modified the file to sort out the horizontal shift and to correct the excessive contrast and brightness of the UK Tivo. **DON'T EXPECT THIS TO WORK AS IS ON A US TIVO**

I think that he is working on an editor. The same file contains a lot of commands that can adjust most of the video settings directly in the encoding chipset.

To answer jdiners comments: Yes, I could re-encode the output to get rid of the green band but that is both very slow and rather lossy. This method is much neater and quicker all round. Also if you want to set the UK Tivo to res "0" DVD compliant output (720 x 576) then you really have to modify that file as the UK Tivo settings for res "0" are completely off and leave you with a huge horizontal shift. Solving the contrast and brightness problem (a known issue with UK Tivos) is the cherry on the cake.

With this file modified in the Tivo and on res "0" I can output video that is directly DVD compliant. I use the excellent TyTool r10 to extract and edit and to transcode the audio on the fly. Then I use DVDLab to make some menus and to author.
The only annoying final extra thing that I have to do before burning with Prassi is to quickly open and edit the ifos with IFOEdit in order to set all the video flags to 16:9 as none of the other bits of software seem to have an option to do this. This procedure is very quick and works very well.

[jmhenry5150]

Has the number of menu elements been expanded to more than 12?

I would like to start That 70's Show DVD's, but, I'm a nerd, and would like to get them to 2 DVD's per season...that means I would have to do 13 eps on some discs...

Just curious!

-Mike

[boboli]

Using TyTool, I have a large .ty (a football game. 6+ gigs). By it's nature, it has a lot of commercials, hence a lot of cuts. Once I got it cut, DVD Lab kept puking when I tried to load it. Said something about no buffer space or something. The HD I am processing it on has like 60gigs of free space.
Also, with such a large file it seems to take hours to process anything. With TyTool, what is the easiest and fastest way to take a TY file that is on the PC, cut the commercials and get it in a format that is loadable into DVD Lab?
Thanx in advance for any assistance.
B

[jdiner]

Originally posted by jmhenry5150
Has the number of menu elements been expanded to more than 12?

I would like to start That 70's Show DVD's, but, I'm a nerd, and would like to get them to 2 DVD's per season...that means I would have to do 13 eps on some discs...

Yes. As a feature of the new system you can have up to 100.

The problem, that is all on 1 page. No multi-page menus yet. Sometime soon but not yet. So it is a realistate management problem at the moment.

Bu you can make 3 column menus, taller stacks of menus (i.e. more than 6 in each column), etc...

Oh, and you can set a flag that will populate from the middle out. So if there are 6 slots, and you have 3 menus it will appear in the middle of the screen rather than at the top left.

--jdiner

[jdiner]

Originally posted by boboli
Using TyTool, I have a large .ty (a football game. 6+ gigs). By it's nature, it has a lot of commercials, hence a lot of cuts. Once I got it cut, DVD Lab kept puking when I tried to load it. Said something about no buffer space or something. The HD I am processing it on has like 60gigs of free space.
Also, with such a large file it seems to take hours to process anything. With TyTool, what is the easiest and fastest way to take a TY file that is on the PC, cut the commercials and get it in a format that is loadable into DVD Lab?
Thanx in advance for any assistance.
B
Dvdlab loadability is something that is an extra and not a feature. It is a seriously flawed program at this point. It has a ton of potential and if it ever gets fixed will be wonderous to use.

I have no clue what is wrong with DVDLab and idea how to fix it on either side. The problem reports are limited and not very helpful.

Either use the menu stuff built into TyTool or get on the dvdlab forums/mailing list and ask there.

My best guess it is just too big even after commcercial cutting. So break it up into smaller pieces and use the feature set of dvdlab to stitch it back together into "1 show".

--jdiner

[boboli]

Originally posted by jdiner
Dvdlab loadability is something that is an extra and not a feature. It is a seriously flawed program at this point. It has a ton of potential and if it ever gets fixed will be wonderous to use.

I have no clue what is wrong with DVDLab and idea how to fix it on either side. The problem reports are limited and not very helpful.

Either use the menu stuff built into TyTool or get on the dvdlab forums/mailing list and ask there.

My best guess it is just too big even after commcercial cutting. So break it up into smaller pieces and use the feature set of dvdlab to stitch it back together into "1 show".

--jdiner

Thank you, jd. Much appreciated.
B

[jmhenry5150]

Thanks jdiner!

Another thought - mabye on the next release - since it's such a big overhaul - you should move this to version 8!

:)

[jdiner]

Originally posted by jmhenry5150
Thanks jdiner!

Another thought - mabye on the next release - since it's such a big overhaul - you should move this to version 8!

Way ahead of you... :) It is 8r1 at the moment. Depending on how far I get 8r2 might follow in short order with the rest of the features.

EDIT: Oh, yeah and I will be creating a new sticky thread for the 8 series and closing this one. I will post a note to that effect when I make the release here before actually closing it.

--jdiner

[jdiner]

Came up with a new cool feature for GopEditor just now. I added a stretching of the bitmap code into it for saving. So that you can save a orginal resolution sized bitmap for menu's in other tools or you can save it into 720x480 to use as the basis for a menu.

Not sure I like it yet the quality on the PC monitor is not what I had hoped for. Perhaps a stretch/resize in another tool will be far superior. But for now I think it was a cool starting point for things.

Just had to share...

--jdiner

[jmhenry5150]

jdiner -

What's the time frame for the new release?

[jdiner]

Originally posted by jmhenry5150
jdiner -

What's the time frame for the new release?
When I get it done.

These changes are extremely invasive in various things. I am trying to make them all once.

--jdiner

[tivomaster]

Originally posted by jdiner
When I get it done.

These changes are extremely invasive in various things. I am trying to make them all once.

--jdiner

JD...
Don't let the "begging" get ya. Tytools is such a great program that we wait with anxious anticapation for each release.
Thanks for all you have given us.

[snoopy]

Originally posted by tivomaster
JD...
Don't let the "begging" get ya. Tytools is such a great program that we wait with anxious anticapation for each release.
Thanks for all you have given us.

Ditto

[FredThompson]

Originally posted by jdiner
Came up with a new cool feature for GopEditor just now. I added a stretching of the bitmap code into it for saving. So that you can save a orginal resolution sized bitmap for menu's in other tools or you can save it into 720x480 to use as the basis for a menu.

Not sure I like it yet the quality on the PC monitor is not what I had hoped for. Perhaps a stretch/resize in another tool will be far superior.

try precise bicubic or lanczos algorithms

[jdiner]

Originally posted by FredThompson
try precise bicubic or lanczos algorithms
Hehehe. Yeah. I just need to find a definition for such algorithms. I was taking the easy way out and just using the StretchDIBits() function that is part of windows.

Now you just want me to put in tons more work on this thing. I have done two 18 hour days in a row trying to get everything I want in place and get it out the door. I don't have that much stamina left. Guess I am getting old. But hey it is still 48 items on my todo list done.

--jdiner

[jdiner]

Well I just fixed the audio transcoding memory leak. That was sheer genius. I passed the auio records into the transcoding library and then promptly just "lost" the original source packet. That was just dumb. That is what I get for developing on a machine with 4gig of ram in it. I would have had to run a serious list of things to eat all of my ram.

--jdiner

[FredThompson]

Originally posted by jdiner
Hehehe. Yeah. I just need to find a definition for such algorithms. I was taking the easy way out and just using the StretchDIBits() function that is part of windows.

Now you just want me to put in tons more work on this thing. I have done two 18 hour days in a row trying to get everything I want in place and get it out the door. I don't have that much stamina left. Guess I am getting old. But hey it is still 48 items on my todo list done.

--jdiner

Both are integrated into AviSynth. The source is freely available. http://www.avisynth.org

I'd get it for you but I'm in crunch mode myself trying to finish up some video for a business trip. I leave at 5 AM (no sleep tonight) and won't be back until the end of next week. If you still need video code then, let me know and I'll it them for you.

[jdiner]

Ok. While I was interested and I am sure others are too. If you want to further discuss the suits then please take it elsewhere. This is really not where these things belong. So please no more here in this thread.

--jdiner

[jdiner]

Alright the changes to 8r1 are complete. Now just a few more to GopEditor and the thing will be finished and ready roll.

--jdiner

[bato]

Originally posted by jdiner
Alright the changes to 8r1 are complete. Now just a few more to GopEditor and the thing will be finished and ready roll.
So I guess a new thread for 8r1 release right?

EDIT: sorry I'm going blind

[jdiner]

Bato:

Read back about 11 posts, on the same page for me.

--jdiner

[FredThompson]

Hey, Josh, can you make the screen position of GOPEDitor "sticky"?

How about "abort" buttons to include batch processing?

[jdiner]

Not in this release. I am having a hard enough time getting everything I want done as is.

I can add it to a future todo list though.

--jdiner

[FredThompson]

Great, thanks.

[jdiner]

The window sticky will be going into this version. I was trying to release tonight. But I have decided I would rather do some more than stop now. I have been working things over and I have found a ton of new features for the editor that I will just love having so I am doing much more there first.

I sped GopEditor up substantially with a few of these changes and that is always nice.

Much more cool stuff to come.

--jdiner

[FredThompson]

My assumption is GOPEditor's marking works like this:

[ marks an I-frame designating where to start the cut.
] marks an I-frame designating the frame AFTER the last to cut.

Thus, if more than one GOP is being cut, the ] frame remains.

If both [ and ] are used on the same I-frame, only that GOP is removed, correct?

--

Also, is it possible to code GOPEditor such that an I-frame which is also a scene change from the prior display frame would be visibly indicated? That would help ease the challenge of knowing if any desired source is being cut. Guess it would take a lot longer, though, the entire stream would need to be decoded and anlyzed...

I love black I-frames, wish every transmission had long delays between segments ;)

[snoopy]

Originally posted by jdiner
Much more cool stuff to come.
--jdiner

Is it theoretically possible to get the list Now_Showing list in TyTool to more closely represent the To Do list on the Tivo, with the different colored icons next to each show? For those of us that have very big hard drives in the Tivo, that along with the changes in sorting that you have already mentioned, would go a very long way toward being able to manage that list more efficiently. What do you think?

[jdiner]

Originally posted by FredThompson
My assumption is GOPEditor's marking works like this:

[ marks an I-frame designating where to start the cut.
] marks an I-frame designating the frame AFTER the last to cut.

Currently yes that is correct. But I reserve the right to change that at any time in the future... :)


Thus, if more than one GOP is being cut, the ] frame remains.

If both [ and ] are used on the same I-frame, only that GOP is removed, correct?

That is incorrect. Think of the above as including all but the last I-Frame. So the first stage cuts it, and the second stage puts it back. And since I have never tested that it might well crash and in doing so suck the paint right off of your house.


Also, is it possible to code GOPEditor such that an I-frame which is also a scene change from the prior display frame would be visibly indicated? That would help ease the challenge of knowing if any desired source is being cut. Guess it would take a lot longer, though, the entire stream would need to be decoded and anlyzed...

I love black I-frames, wish every transmission had long delays between segments ;)
I also love the black I-Frames on either side of a cut. So much nicer....

As for the recognizing scene changes. Yes. It could be done. Will it ever be? Probably not. My gut reaction is "NO WAY!" but I have said that before and look at where we are now...

It is a frelling ton of work to something like. I have to watch for both intensity and color changes on a massive scale to detect it. Again can it be done? Sure. I am even the least little bit interested in doing so at the moment? No.

--jdiner

[jdiner]

Originally posted by snoopy
Is it theoretically possible to get the list Now_Showing list in TyTool to more closely represent the To Do list on the Tivo, with the different colored icons next to each show? For those of us that have very big hard drives in the Tivo, that along with the changes in sorting that you have already mentioned, would go a very long way toward being able to manage that list more efficiently. What do you think?
It is possible but not something I want to do. It would mean sme pretty serious changes to get GFX to align on the window etc... What I have done to make it easier on people is put in all of the sorting modes on the TyTool interface. So that you can sort by date, day, show title, show/epsisode titles, etc... I now have 2 120gig drives in my DTivo. No heat problems and a serious ton of stuff on it... :)

--jdiner

[artships]

Originally posted by FredThompson
I love black I-frames, wish every transmission had long delays between segments

Sure. The shows I archive, though, have music playing during the black parts, so cutting just after they start would lose me some significant part of a show. Shows like that I cut in TMPGEnc, where I can see the music the same time as I'm looking at the picture.

John

[jdiner]

Well 8 hours later I finally have the next segment of things done. Man alive. I had no idea it would be that hard to get some things off and running with GopEditor.

I had some pretty cool code in there in the previous versions that is just not going to survive the move to the next version. *sigh* I had a nice way to reduce/remove the motion/blur when it occured. But at the moment it just isntt going to work with the new version. Trying to get better quaility output for the BMP saving has caused me no end of headaches. Alot of what I did because it was just an editor and all that was needed was a place keeper doesn't translate well to trying to keep things at the highest quality output.

And yet another weekend has passed. I wanted to get things out some time ago but I have chased some of this stuff around and around trying to find the best way to do things.

I am still trying to decide what I want to do with this last phase. I have a few thoughts but I need to let them gel for a bit first.

The next release is coming but at the moment GOP editor won't work for everything anymore. Just DTivo streams.... and that won't fly.

--jdiner

[ronnythunder]

edit: never mind, carry on, forget i said anything.. :)

ronny

[bato]

jdiner: maybe I'm going blind, but I can't find an option to output elementals. I'm working with some movies that I recorded in English and Spanish, instead of output in mpg I prefer m2v/m2a so I can create the VOBs with 2 audio tracks.

EDIT: I think I remember that there is no option to output m2v/m2a with a cut list only multiplex.

[jdiner]

Originally posted by ronnythunder
edit: never mind, carry on, forget i said anything.. :)

ronny
See. All that does is make me really wonder what it was that was said in the first place?!!? :)

--jdiner

[jdiner]

Originally posted by bato
jdiner: maybe I'm going blind, but I can't find an option to output elementals. I'm working with some movies that I recorded in English and Spanish, instead of output in mpg I prefer m2v/m2a so I can create the VOBs with 2 audio tracks.

EDIT: I think I remember that there is no option to output m2v/m2a with a cut list only multiplex.
In the public version the only option is the "Process Single File" option.

In 8r1 it has been added as a full feature. So that you can select multiple files and split them just like you can for key, mux and vob'ing.

--jdiner

[eastwind]

Bato,
AFAIK, you can only get whole elemental files if you don't cut. When I just tried it I got the elemental files, but I got 5 of them:
er.m2v er.m2a
er-1.m2v er-1.m2a

You get the idea. Since you would then have to stitch them back together, it might be easier to demux the .mpg system file instead.

Here's the command line I used:

vsplit3.301b.exe -c er.ty.cut er.ty er er

ew

[bato]

Originally posted by eastwind
Here's the command line I used:
vsplit3.301b.exe -c er.ty.cut er.ty er er
ew
Thanks, I'll try that. I'm working with movies with cuts only start/end so this is better for me.

[jdiner]

Bato:

With both vsplit and tytool you can make the elemental files. I.e. the splitting process.

You will get each segment found between cuts, i.e. the segments that you wanted to keep, as seperate files when a .cut file is present. This will happen in either tool and is automatic when the cut file exists.

Remove, rename or simple move the cut file and you will be able to get 2 single stream output files, one for each ES.

Using the -c flag on as a CLA to vsplit simply forces the cut file to use etc...

--jdiner

[ronnythunder]

Originally posted by jdiner
See. All that does is make me really wonder what it was that was said in the first place?!!? :)

--jdiner fair enough. short version is that i wanted to change the port that tytool/tserver uses so i could run two different instances of tserver on one machine. i finally figured it out...

ronny

[jdiner]

Originally posted by ronnythunder
fair enough. short version is that i wanted to change the port that tytool/tserver uses so i could run two different instances of tserver on one machine. i finally figured it out...

ronny
Wow. You want to extract 2 things at the same time? That nuts? But not a bad suggestion. I am changing the networking for things right now as a matter of fact. I think I will add an option to tserver and to tytool to set the port as well as the address to use on both ends.

--jdiner

[ronnythunder]

nope, not two things at once, just be able to have a "production" and a "test" server. i think i'd be fighting a losing battle trying to do two at once... :)

ronny

[rob2k1]

Originally posted by jdiner
But not a bad suggestion.
--jdiner

If your still taking suggestions, how about having the tivo address be a drop down list. I have 3 tivo's that I extract from. It's not a problem to change the address manually, but it would be nice to be able to give each a name and be able to select it from a list.

Thanks,

Robbie

[newbie]

Originally posted by rob2k1
If your still taking suggestions, how about having the tivo address be a drop down list. I have 3 tivo's that I extract from. It's not a problem to change the address manually, but it would be nice to be able to give each a name and be able to select it from a list.

Thanks,

Robbie

You can put your Tivo address in your host files. You can then just use something like tivo1 tivo2 and tivo3 as your address.

[jdiner]

Originally posted by ronnythunder
nope, not two things at once, just be able to have a "production" and a "test" server. i think i'd be fighting a losing battle trying to do two at once... :)

Yeah. i think so. Look what it does to the poor tivo when you extract just one thing at a time....

--jdiner

[jdiner]

Originally posted by rob2k1
If your still taking suggestions, how about having the tivo address be a drop down list. I have 3 tivo's that I extract from. It's not a problem to change the address manually, but it would be nice to be able to give each a name and be able to select it from a list.

I am pretty much always open to suggestions. I don't deal well with demands but that is just human nature...

I agree with newbie on this. Edit the hosts file (It used to be calle lmhosts on older versions of windows) and add the entries. Simple to do and then a simple change in text will get you were you want to go. Or you can download a simple DNS server for your box and configure things that way. I know there are several, I wrote one of them infact... But this is overkill for 3 whole addresses.

--jdiner

[rob2k1]

But this is overkill for 3 whole addresses.

--jdiner [/B]

I do have them set up in DNS. What I really meant was having a collection of configuration settings that could be selected from a drop down box rather than retyping each time. It's really nothing important, and probably more trouble (time consuming) to implement that it's worth. But thanks, for the consideration.

Robbie

[jdiner]

Ok. Boys and girls. I am finally to that point of the release. No more code. Just major docs as things have really changed. Many more options. Differences in how things work etc...

That is gonna take longer than I want to stay up tonight. But we are almost there.

As proof here is a JPEG of a menu as generated, in BMP format, by TyTool.Not bad at all...

--jdiner

[snoopy]

Originally posted by jdiner
...here is a JPEG of a menu as generated, in BMP format, by TyTool.Not bad at all...
--jdiner
Now THAT, is a beauty!

[Roj]

Originally posted by jdiner
I am pretty much always open to suggestions. I don't deal well with demands but that is just human nature...


Well, PAL menus would be cool, if far from essential, this side of the pond!

;-)

Roj

[mas]

Well, PAL menus would be cool, if far from essential, this side of the pond!


I'll second that !

MAS

[Pete Ruttman]

Is an option to play all sets and also select from the menu a possibility?

pete

[FredThompson]

regarding [ and ] on the same I-frame:

Originally posted by jdiner
.That is incorrect. Think of the above as including all but the last I-Frame. So the first stage cuts it, and the second stage puts it back. And since I have never tested that it might well crash and in doing so suck the paint right off of your house.

This has worked for me to eliminate the first GOP. Thanks for stating it clearly. Looking at it now, what I typed could be confusing.

Sometimes the very first I-frame has junk, the second has content. This seemed to be the only way to cut out such a small amount of junk.

[jdiner]

Originally posted by mas
Well, PAL menus would be cool, if far from essential, this side of the pond!

You know. It never even occured to me that the DVD menus on the PAL systems would be different. They are taller aren't they. Does it work at all for you in generating the 720x480?

It is easy enough for me to change the code to support both. What resolution would the menu be in PAL? 720x580? Or something like that right? If people can tell me what it should be I will put the changes on the todo list and try to get them done ASAP.

--jdiner

[jdiner]

Originally posted by Pete Ruttman
Is an option to play all sets and also select from the menu a possibility?

pete
Play all sets? What do you mean?

And select from the menu? You lost me. I thought that was what we were doing now...

--jdiner

[jdiner]

Originally posted by FredThompson
regarding [ and ] on the same I-frame:



This has worked for me to eliminate the first GOP. Thanks for stating it clearly. Looking at it now, what I typed could be confusing.

Sometimes the very first I-frame has junk, the second has content. This seemed to be the only way to cut out such a small amount of junk.
Hunh. I didn't realize you were talking about the first GOP.

That is a special case in my code. And was done on purpose to solve exactly what you mention here. I have seen the same thing. So I built it that way for me. Glad it is helpful for you too.

My reference and explanation was thinking about the middle of the code. I have had people ask if chapter points could be done that way. I have always said no. There is a better way for those to be done. It basically just takes a few more lines of code from me in the TyTool and in the GopEditor to have full true chapter points going.

--jdiner

[gobsmack]

Guys, please, let Joshua finish up this next version, THEN hit him up with all the suggestions/feature requests you like.

The rest of us have put bowls under our chins to catch the drool as we await his latest version.

:D

[eastwind]

PAL: 720x576, 704x576, 352x576. Resolutions change because PAL uses more horizontal? scan lines.


Originally posted by Pete Ruttman
Is an option to play all sets and also select from the menu a possibility?

pete

I think this means have an option to Play all Titlesets as an option before authoring as the first action instead of putting up the menu. But also having a menu to select from if you press the Menu button on your remote. I've seen this type of behavior in other authoring programs (TMPGEnc's DVDAuthor for instance). Of course I could be way off base here...
:o

ew

[Pete Ruttman]

Originally posted by jdiner
Play all sets? What do you mean?

And select from the menu? You lost me. I thought that was what we were doing now...

--jdiner

Perhaps, I am lagging behind and we have this already, but I would like to have the ability to put in a disc and have it play each episode in a row without having to select each episode AND also have the ability to choose individual episodes from a menu.

TMPGenc DVD Author has a 'play all' button that will go play through the entire disc as well as having the ability to choose individual shows. I gave up on this product because I wanted to use Tytool 100% but I do miss this flexibility.

pete

[cbensinger]

Originally posted by jdiner


As proof here is a JPEG of a menu as generated, in BMP format, by TyTool.Not bad at all...

--jdiner

really nice. I'm looking forward to the release...

[jdiner]

Originally posted by Pete Ruttman
Perhaps, I am lagging behind and we have this already, but I would like to have the ability to put in a disc and have it play each episode in a row without having to select each episode AND also have the ability to choose individual episodes from a menu.

TMPGenc DVD Author has a 'play all' button that will go play through the entire disc as well as having the ability to choose individual shows. I gave up on this product because I wanted to use Tytool 100% but I do miss this flexibility.

pete

I have figured out how to do this. And it works in all of my players. But sadly it crashes both WinDVD and PowerDVD every single time. So I am not sure what to do? Make it an option on generation? Always make the IFO in such a way that it plays right on hardware players but not on PC software players?

The latter doesn't seem very smart. And the former is just that much more work.

--jdiner

[Roj]

Originally posted by jdiner
You know. It never even occured to me that the DVD menus on the PAL systems would be different.

You've thought of just about everything else - we'll forgive you 8-)

They are taller aren't they. Does it work at all for you in generating the 720x480?

They work OK for me (although come out a bit squashed), but I don't know whether they would cause a problem on some player/TV combinations.

It is easy enough for me to change the code to support both. What resolution would the menu be in PAL? 720x580? Or something like that right? If people can tell me what it should be I will put the changes on the todo list and try to get them done ASAP.

Equivalent resolution to NTSC 720x480 is PAL 720x576 (704 and 352 are also valid horizontal resolutions, the same as for NTSC).

Thanks,
Roj

[Pete Ruttman]

Originally posted by jdiner
I have figured out how to do this. And it works in all of my players. But sadly it crashes both WinDVD and PowerDVD every single time. So I am not sure what to do? Make it an option on generation? Always make the IFO in such a way that it plays right on hardware players but not on PC software players?

The latter doesn't seem very smart. And the former is just that much more work.

--jdiner

Do you think dvdauthor's author may offer any help on this problem?

pete

[newbie]

Originally posted by jdiner
I have figured out how to do this. And it works in all of my players. But sadly it crashes both WinDVD and PowerDVD every single time. So I am not sure what to do? Make it an option on generation? Always make the IFO in such a way that it plays right on hardware players but not on PC software players?

The latter doesn't seem very smart. And the former is just that much more work.

--jdiner

I'd make a mention of the problem with the DVD Author people and see if they can fix it. I guess for now leave it as it is. People who want that option can use other tools.

[bato]

Originally posted by Pete Ruttman
Perhaps, I am lagging behind and we have this already, but I would like to have the ability to put in a disc and have it play each episode in a row without having to select each episode AND also have the ability to choose individual episodes from a menu.

Here (http://www.photosyndikat.de/guides/more/PlayAll.html) is a guide to make a Play All button with DVDlab/IFOedit, the final DVD works great with PowerDVD and hardware players, maybe some information there can be helpful creating such a disc with TyTool.

[drnull]

Originally posted by Pete Ruttman
Do you think dvdauthor's author may offer any help on this problem?

pete

I asked them to remove the requirement that a movie be of a certain size, and just issue a warning (so that our 480x480 DTivo mpeg's would be accepted with just warnings about the size, bitrate, and GOP size) and have gotten nothing back.

Currently, I was using DVD Patcher to get the mpeg into dvdauthor, then patching it back to the original size before writing. That seems to work well enough.

By the way, awesome tool!!

[bato]

Originally posted by drnull
I asked them to remove the requirement that a movie be of a certain size...
You are talking about TMPGEnc DVD Author and is not the same as dvdauthor here. For info about dvdauthor used in TyTool go to http://dvdauthor.sourceforge.net/

[jdiner]

2 completely different tools with the same name.

The DVDAuthor we are using comes from the a freeware open source solution. The homepage is dvdauthor.sourceforge.net. It was here first and has been around for a fair amount of time.

The second DVD Author, originally listed on the web site as being called "DVD Authoring" is from the tmpgenc people. They provide a pretty slick tool but it has a number of limitations. Some I have brought up with them in the past and getting no real response on from they themselves. Just a few commments from other users of the tool.

What we really need is a touch more work from some people at the opensource version to see what is going wrong and what might be done to fix it. I don't have the time to fully dig into it and see what is going wrong. Maybe at some point in the future. But it would be nice to get someone that can do it more easily to take care of it.

--jdiner

[jdiner]

Alright I have started the process of joining the mailing l