TyTool Alpha #8r3, VSplit beta #3.41, DVD output...

[jdiner]

Wow. I have never seen a report on that error before. Never even heard a hint that things were not rendering right when opening the GopEditor. I remember major issues when people mistakenly opened m2v or mp3 or even ty files and had things go wonky. But those have been solved in recent versions with file checks etc...

Have others been having this problem? In going over the code I am not sure how it could be happening...

--jdiner

[jdiner]

Also sorry for the delay. Work piled up while I was sick and things are still a bit wild for me.

The delay is solely on me I haven't gotten things done well enough to get anything out to any of the beta testers.

I hope to be able to spend some time on it soon, but at the moment there hasn't been that much done in the last 48 or so.

--jdiner

[Rowan]

Originally posted by jdiner
Have others been having this problem?

--jdiner

Yes, I have also seen this problem but only when I have a lot of shows cued up to edit. I have just tried to reproduce it but no luck. It is very random, the next time it happens I will post a screen shot so you can see what it looks like.

It does not bother me at all I just make note of the show and then fix it up later.

Thanks for all your hard work.

Rowan

[asicguyca]

I have seen the right side of the control box not be painted once in a while. The ending time of cuts cannot be read when this happens. For shows I am very familiar with, I rarely need to see the times and since I only use keystrokes to edit, I can still get the job done. If I rerun the editor, it always seems to work ok.

One other tidbit, occasionally I see the exact same effect on the hardware monitor program that runs when my computer boots.
Therefore, I suspect it is not related to tytools at all, but some windows wierdness that occurs once in a while.

[jdiner]

For those who see things render wrong, i.e. no controls on the right, what OS are you using?

I can't figure out what could be going wrong unless something is going wrong with one of the windows calls. I have 95/98/2k here that I use constantly. I have an XP box that I use once in a blue moon for testing. I have seriously never seen this before.

The code is incredibly simple. All that looks like it could be going wrong at this point would be the Win32 call that resizes the window. But... it would seem like something that should fail either more often or not at all unless it was damaged in one of the XP releases.

--jdiner

[casagw]

I was playing with the preview GOP editor to try to at least make a cut file of Battlestar Galatica last night. About every other time I opened it directly without using Tytool on my computer, I would not have the controls. I am running windows XP.

One thing to note, in both BG episodes, when I try and make a frame accurate cute somewhere past the one hour point, the GOP editor crashes. I don't know exactly where that point is, but I can do some testing if you want. As soon as I select edit start or end point it crashes.

Thanks for all your great work though. I can't wait to acually use the frame accurate cuts I am trying to make.

casagw

edit: After doing some testing. I opened the GOP editor atleast twenty times without having the controls disappear. On one episode of BG, I can not make any frame accurate cut points past 1:15 without it crashing. On the second, it crashes at everything past 1:26. I hope this helps if you have not already fixed it.

[Rowan]

Originally posted by jdiner
For those who see things render wrong, i.e. no controls on the right, what OS are you using?

--jdiner

I am running XP Pro with all of the updates on a P4 2.8

Rowan

[jdiner]

Originally posted by casagw
edit: After doing some testing. I opened the GOP editor atleast twenty times without having the controls disappear. On one episode of BG, I can not make any frame accurate cut points past 1:15 without it crashing. On the second, it crashes at everything past 1:26. I hope this helps if you have not already fixed it.
I haven't. But I do have those 2 shows recorded. I extracted them last night and I will try processing them. I realized when reading this that I haven't tried anything longer than an hour in the new editor. Most of my stuff is 1-hour eps from various shows.

--jdiner

[jdiner]

To resize things I am using the SetWindowPos() Win32 API call.

It is possible that this thing is now failing under XP for some reason. In looking at the code just now no error checking was put on it. In previous versions of windows the only case for failure was using a non-existant window/HWND. It would appear that there are now more causes.

There are also other functions that could be used to try and resize the window. MoveWindow() is an alternative or even each function at a time. Activate, show, move, resize...

The main issue right now is that I open the window in 480x480. Then I resize it based on what is read from the keyfile. I can also set it to be 680x480 to start with so that things should show even if a problem occurs.

But I would really rather find and fix the resizing problem.

--jdiner

[InterMurph]

Rowan, are you using an extremely high resolution display (like 1280 x 1024), and are you also having XP resize the fonts (like 125%)?

I don't have XP at home, but on my notebook at work, I have a similar situation. The standard fonts were so small on my high resolution that I could barely read them. So I had windows scale them to 125%, and I could read them fine.

Unfortunately, this screws up some programs' dialog boxes; the over-size text squeezes some things out.

I can't remember exactly where this scaling is specified, but it is somewhere in the Display properties, Settings, Advanced...

[asicguyca]

I am also using XP pro with sp1. P4/1.6GHz. It happens so rarely I don't consider it a problem anyway. But from an engineering point of view, if you don't at least understand something that is going wrong, it will often bite you later.

[Fugg]

I don't know if it will help any, but for what it's worth for all the xp users,

TWEAKS for Windows XP for Video Editing (v 1.0)
(David LaBorde - 2001) (http://www.videoguys.com/TweaksWINXPVE.html)

There's a link to a Part 2 (http://www.videoguys.com/WinXP2.html) at the bottom of the page.

As I run 2k, I have not seen this problem, even running sa and dtivo ty's and mpeg's from many other sources using the last few versions of tytool.
running win2ksp2/directx 8.1 on an xp2500 barton, 1gig 3200 ram, asus A7N8Xd, nvida 440mx@4x, wd hd's
file resolutions of 352x480, 480x480, 544x480, 640x480, 704x480 and 720x480

[Rowan]

Originally posted by InterMurph
Rowan, are you using an extremely high resolution display (like 1280 x 1024), and are you also having XP resize the fonts (like 125%)?



I am running at 1600x1200 with the standard or stock font size.
I like lots of real-estate when editing code and use this size at home and work.

The problem shows up so infrequently for me that I don't really consider it a problem and would rather see jdiner concentrate of other things.

Rowan

[DanB]

I have attached a file that shows what tytool looks like when it doesn't resize.

I am running XP SP1 all updates, latest drivers. To repro this I ran dvd author in the background to create a DVD on the same drive that the key file was located.

If it makes a difference I am running at 1280x1024 res, but i don't run with any font size changes.

If I load the keyfile without dvd author running, the keyfile opens normally (even a different key file, so that it isn't cached)

Dan

[SpacemanSpiff]

I've looked back about 4 pages and didn't find this problem, my apologies if someone's already noted it.

-----
Tivo Alpha #8 Rel4p1 ,GOPEditor

What Happens: I lose ability to use Home, End and DEL keys to add cutpoints after Save.
Duplicatable: Yes! (on my machine at least) Since this app crashes pretty often (no biggie since its Alpha), I've resorted to Perform a Save (via Menu) after every cut point addition. When I use the CTRL-S to save and the Enter key to dismiss the following dialog box, I have no control over the Home, End & Del keys. I think all keypad keys are disabled but I don't usually use any more than these 3 keys.

[SpacemanSpiff]

Originally posted by SpacemanSpiff
What Happens: I lose ability to use Home, End and DEL keys to add cutpoints after Save.


I just had a thought and figured out a quick fix. If I hit the CTRL key and let it go , I can then reuse the Hom & End keys. For some reason the Ctrl Key isn't released when I save via keyboard (CTRL-S).

Chris

[jdiner]

Click on the position slider. This will restore the keyboard shortcuts to operation. Focus is going to something that is not forcing it back to the correct state.

--jdiner

[jdiner]

Humm. I will check that out here. I don't save that way. Being an old timer, I suppose, I use alt -> f -> s to save rather than ctrl-s. But I swear I tested that stuff out a long long time ago when I first started working on all of this.

--jdiner

[jdiner]

Anyone here recording 24? I need to try and locate a copy of the episode from Dec 9th. My aunt missed it and called to see if I had it. Having never watched the show the answer to that was no. But there are enough eclectic tastes here that I was hoping that someone else had it.

If you have it and are willing to get it to me somehow I would really appriciate it.

--jdiner

[jdiner]

Originally posted by SpacemanSpiff
I just had a thought and figured out a quick fix. If I hit the CTRL key and let it go , I can then reuse the Hom & End keys. For some reason the Ctrl Key isn't released when I save via keyboard (CTRL-S).

Just tested this out here. Works perfectly for me. I wonder if this is another crap XP bug.

--jdiner

[Pr.Sinister]

Originally posted by jdiner
Just tested this out here. Works perfectly for me. I wonder if this is another crap XP bug.

--jdiner

I am on XP and CTRL-S works fine in 8r4

-Pr.

[eastwind]

Originally posted by jdiner
For those who see things render wrong, i.e. no controls on the right, what OS are you using?

--jdiner

I'm using XP Home SP1 w/ all updates. I've seen it a few times. And I think it has always been on larger TY files (thus larger KEY files). I can immeadiately reload the same KEY file and get the controls back.

ew

[oviTyonS]

jdiner, I have the episode of 24 you need, I will send a PM on how you can access it.

Kevin

[cullen_simpson]

I know this is OT, but what hasn't been lately?

For those of you that live in this thread alone and don't traverse the other periodically, you might have missed this thread:

http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=28600&perpage=15&pagenumber=1

It is about the Gateway connected DVD player.
I just got one and have added my thoughts to the end of the thread.

Basically, I like it. It does everything I wanted.
Plays all the DVDs I have tried and streams MPGs created from tytool.

Before the flame wars start, I know that I could have used and X-Box or a PC with Media Center stuff, but this was as quick as replacing my old DVD player and it works out of the box.

[jbc]

Originally posted by cullen_simpson
I know this is OT, but what hasn't been lately?
tytool.

Before the flame wars start, I know that I could have used and X-Box or a PC with Media Center stuff, but this was as quick as replacing my old DVD player and it works out of the box.

Maybe we should start a new topic for all these players? I know the PinacleSystems ShowCenter and Play@TV and others. With CES just around the corner I know about 50 new products which will be streaming media centers. I'm sure we'd all love reviews of each and every one. =)

[williamnporter]

1) I am one of those if it isn't broke don't fix it types. What this means is I haven't upgraded from #7r10 cause it works so well. I want to upgrade but I am afraid I will have problems with the .ty and .vob files I created with 7r10. Will I have any problems? are the files the same? I had problems in the past going from 7r3 to 7r10 where the sound was no longer in sync.

2)Both of my Tivos are Sony SVR-2000s. They are identical in every way except #1 is one year older has about 42 season passes and a lifetime subscription #2 has only 13 season passes and is monthly. I noticed that if I record the exact same show at the exact same time #1 creates a file that is 622MB #2 is 543MB. Both are recording at medium quality. Also #1 is much slower when I extract shows, sometimes it even hiccups. The remote stops responding about half of the time But the files fly off of #2 with zero problems.

Thoughts?

[Toddler]

Originally posted by jbc
Maybe we should start a new topic for all these players? I know the PinacleSystems ShowCenter and Play@TV and others. With CES just around the corner I know about 50 new products which will be streaming media centers. I'm sure we'd all love reviews of each and every one. =) Just a quick word, but I've tested a few of these units, including the Pinnacle ShowCenter, and the only one that delivers as promised is the PRISMIQ (which they spell in all caps, btw).

The ShowCenter sucks big time. I've started calling it the ShowStopper. I'm taking it back to Circuit City this weekend.

The PRISMIQ is on sale for $249 - $50 MIR = $199 at www.thinkgeek.com (http://www.thinkgeek.com). It is a wonderful companion piece to stream all of those ripped TiVo files from your hard drive. Also does JPGs and Internet radio, web browsing and even AOL IM on your TV if you're into that sort of thing. It's not Nirvana, but it's the only one I've found that really does what it is supposed to do.

Hope that's useful info for someone...if not, sorry to waste the space.

[cullen_simpson]

The PRISMIQ looks like a great device and it will undoubtedly support more types of media and probably will have better ongoing support than the Gateway. However, I was looking for a replacement for my DVD player as well and the PRISMIQ does not seem to have a DVD drive in it.

[jdiner]

Alright. Sweet. Just found and tested a bad clip. The new FAE code maintains sync even when wierd holes and errors appear. A very nice thing.

--jdiner

[ronnythunder]

hey, you need bad clips, we got bad clips! :)

ronny

[TheSaint]

Weird event-- On my standalone player after the DVD completes it doesn't stop, it jumps back to the start of the last chapter. Computer DVD player just stops as I would expect. This is version 8r3, using only Tytool to create DVD.

Any ideas why this is happening ?

[eastwind]

Originally posted by jdiner
For those who see things render wrong, i.e. no controls on the right, what OS are you using?

I can't figure out what could be going wrong unless something is going wrong with one of the windows calls. I have 95/98/2k here that I use constantly. I have an XP box that I use once in a blue moon for testing. I have seriously never seen this before.

The code is incredibly simple. All that looks like it could be going wrong at this point would be the Win32 call that resizes the window. But... it would seem like something that should fail either more often or not at all unless it was damaged in one of the XP releases.

--jdiner

Here's another shot of what this looks like when it doesn't render properly:

Attachment deleted. See attachment on later post. -ew

[jdiner]

OK. The response was underwhelming. So let me ask it a slightly different way.... Is anyone that is seeing the "not rendering the GUI" problem with GopEditor using anything but XP?

So if you see it under 2k or 95/98/me etc... then please post here. Otherwise I will assume it is yet another XP bug and focus my efforts there.

--jdiner

[jdiner]

Originally posted by eastwind
Here's another shot of what this looks like when it doesn't render properly:
Is it just me end or is only part of the picture up and in place?

--jdiner

[Toddler]

It's not just you. There's something wrong with the posted image.

[eastwind]

Originally posted by jdiner
Is it just me end or is only part of the picture up and in place?

--jdiner

That's what I thought, too. But it never did fix itself (waited 5mins or so). When I open the key file now, the video is the same, but the window closes itself on the right to be flush with the controls.

ew

[Rowan]

Originally posted by eastwind
That's what I thought, too. But it never did fix itself (waited 5mins or so). When I open the key file now, the video is the same, but the window closes itself on the right to be flush with the controls.

ew

So you are saying that the window border did not finish drawing and just displaied that top part of the window? I have never seen that.

The problems that I have seen are different it is just the main window size problem (too small) and as jdiner thinks it is probably some kind of XP only problem.

Rowan

[Toddler]

eastwind,

Are you saying that what's in the JPG is the entire TyTool application window?

Maybe a screenshot of your entire screen would be more helpful. What you posted looks more like a problem with the actual JPG that you uploaded. If you would put it in context for us, it might eliminate the confusion.

[cullen_simpson]

Perhaps another useful bit of info would be the video card that
the people with the problem are having.

Perhaps they are all using the same card and there is a driver issue with that card (or chipset).

I am running XP with a GeForce Ti4400 and I have not ever seen the problem.

[eastwind]

Originally posted by Toddler
eastwind,

Are you saying that what's in the JPG is the entire TyTool application window?

Maybe a screenshot of your entire screen would be more helpful. What you posted looks more like a problem with the actual JPG that you uploaded. If you would put it in context for us, it might eliminate the confusion.

Yes, the jpeg that I uploaded was the entire TYtool application window (ALT+ PRTSCR). I've only seen it like that once or twice. Normally if it is wrong the preview picture would mask out the controls on the right. I didn't make an entire screen PRTSRC when I did that, so I can't put it in any more context than what you see.

Just checked the picture I uploaded and it looks like it was a problem with the upload. Here's what it should have looked like:

The problem I wanted to show with this picture is that the window border on the right didn't come in to the side of the controls. Sorry about the confusion. I'll check this pic as soon as I upload it.

ew


Okay, this one shows the whole picture --ew

[jdiner]

Wow... Since it starts smaller than it should and I expand to add the controls and the 480x480 window, I started writing this thing when I was getting 352x480 TyStreams from my SA box. So it slides to the right to show everything. I have never seen one that went even farther.

Cullen_simpson had a good idea. What kind of display hardware are those that are having it occasionally render to small using? Perhaps it can be narrowed a bit to a family or even a chipset.

I don't see the problem. Ever even on my XP box. But I am not running XP home. I never had run that one. All I had access too was the pro version as that is what the company I work for uses.

--jdiner

[asicguyca]

This is a screenshot of how gopeditor truncates the right side on my system. It probably happens about 1 out of 25 sessions or less. I don't consider it a serious problem.

Reloading the key file does not correct the problem. I was running another copy of tytool 8r3 and creating IFO files at the same time.

Quitting gopedit and reloading does fix problem, and it is almost instant, since the data is all cached.

I have an ATI Radeon 8500DV (I think that is the model), on P4 1.6G using XP Pro w/SP1

This is for information only, since I would rather get FAE sooner.

Thanks for all your work.

[jdiner]

Originally posted by asicguyca
This is a screenshot of how gopeditor truncates the right side on my system. It probably happens about 1 out of 25 sessions or less. I don't consider it a serious problem.

What was the source of the clip? SATivo or DTivo or??? What resolution was it at? Or rather should it have been at?

--jdiner

[Rich]

On a HDVR2 hacked using tivoscripts from Sleeper.

I had had tytools tserver_mfs7 running for 2 weeks before it crashed. The windows side is tytool8r4 running on a win2k machine.

I can FTP into the TIVO and it pings fine. I can Serial and Telnet into the box. Tserver_mfs7 crashed and I have not been able to get it running again. I have uploaded new copies of tserver_mfs7 and NowShowing.tcl to make sure the files were ok and changed the permissions. And, I rebooted the TIVO.

Here are the commands I tried using to restart tserver_mfs7 from the directory where tserver_mfs7 and NowShowing.tcl resides:

(none):/usr/tytools$ mount -o remount,rw /
EXT2-fs warning: mounting unchecked fs, running e2fsck is recommended
(none):/usr/tytools$ chmod 755 tserver_mfs7
(none):/usr/tytools$ chmod 755 NowShowing.tcl
(none):/usr/tytools$ mount -o remount,ro /
(none):/usr/tytools$ tserver_mfs7
bash: tserver_mfs7: cannot execute binary file

So, because i can not execute a binary file, I can't get tserver running and the windows tytools client reports:
ERROR: Failed to Connect!

I would appreciate any troubleshooting / restart tips you can suggest. Thanks in advance.

[eastwind]

Originally posted by jdiner
What kind of display hardware are those that are having it occasionally render to small using? Perhaps it can be narrowed a bit to a family or even a chipset.
--jdiner

NVIDIA GeForce4 MX 440 - 64MB ram on board.

ew

[keith721]

Originally posted by Rich
On a HDVR2 hacked using tivoscripts from Sleeper.

I have uploaded new copies of tserver_mfs7 and NowShowing.tcl to make sure the files were ok and changed the permissions. And, I rebooted the TIVO.

(none):/usr/tytools$ tserver_mfs7
bash: tserver_mfs7: cannot execute binary file


When you loaded the new copy of tserver_mfs7, were you certain to load the MIPS version? It looks like you may have loaded the PPC version, which would explain why it cannot execute, even though you've set the permissions correctly.

[Rowan]

Originally posted by jdiner
What kind of display hardware are those that are having it occasionally render to small using? Perhaps it can be narrowed a bit to a family or even a chipset.
--jdiner

I am using a RADEON 9600 AGP 128 MB with the lastest signed driver from the windows update site.

Edit: All of my files are from a dtivo, I rarely use my SA unit anymore.

Rowan

[Rich]

On a HDVR2 hacked using tivoscripts from Sleeper.

I have uploaded new copies of tserver_mfs7 and NowShowing.tcl to make sure the files were ok and changed the permissions. And, I rebooted the TIVO.

(none):/usr/tytools$ tserver_mfs7
bash: tserver_mfs7: cannot execute binary file

Originally posted by keith721
When you loaded the new copy of tserver_mfs7, were you certain to load the MIPS version? It looks like you may have loaded the PPC version, which would explain why it cannot execute, even though you've set the permissions correctly.

Thanks for the suggestions. I couldn't get it to work so I started the hack from the beginning and everything now works. Don't know what got corrupted. Regards, Rich

[drnull]

Are you positive you're transferring in binary mode instead of ascii?
ls -l reports a file size of 48324 for me when transferred in binary. It's 48485 when transferred in ascii. See what ls -l reports as the size of the file.

[asicguyca]

Originally posted by jdiner
What was the source of the clip? SATivo or DTivo or??? What resolution was it at? Or rather should it have been at?

--jdiner

SA tivo at standard BEST quality.

[jdiner]

For those for whom it does not resize correctly. How many of you are using SATivo's? How many are using DTivos? I have a kind of a thought about what it might be now...

--jdiner

[Rowan]

Originally posted by jdiner
For those for whom it does not resize correctly. How many of you are using SATivo's? How many are using DTivos? I have a kind of a thought about what it might be now...

--jdiner

I am only using my DTivo, not sure the last time I recorded anything with my SATivo.

Rowan

[GTakacs]

Jdiner,

Have you had a chance to look at the mpg file I posted about crashing TyTools right away? It's on page 66 in this thread.....

It might not be a big issue for others, I just wanted to make sure it doesn't slip through the cracks here.

Thanks!

[Toddler]

Originally posted by Rowan
I am only using my DTivo, not sure the last time I recorded anything with my SATivo.

Rowan It seems like whenever SA gets mentioned here, several people comment on how they can't remember the last time they used their SA TiVo.

So Rowan--or anyone else--since your SA TiVo is not even worth plugging in, how about trading it for some cash?

I've got a few friends who would love to pick up a working SA TiVo. If anyone's interested in selling, let me know.

[koreth]

I can only speak for myself, but I keep my SA around as a backup in case the DTiVo dies. All my "can't miss" season passes are on both machines.

And to stay vaguely on topic: doesn't it seem like we're spending a whole lot of time trying to pin down a problem which is considered no big deal by everyone who's reported it? I'd much rather see FAE released sooner than get a fix for this rendering problem. But then I'm not the one writing the code, so that's just a comment from the peanut gallery.

[jdiner]

Oh I just ask as I think of things. I have been working hard on the FAE stuff. Seems like I have it and then another case fails. The code isn't that complex I am missing something that seems simple. But to be honest I am not sure what that is at the moment. I am running some tests now to try and determine if my assumptions are correct or not.

--jdiner

[johnwill]

I have always found it was easier to write 500 lines of code than 5 lines of code! :D It just seems that the real "simple" stuff always comes back and bites you somehow. :D

[jdiner]

My goal is to make the FAE stuff my Christmas present to everyone. Have it all done by that time. I have the code all written and the video portions seems to be working code wise. Right up to the time where you actually try to watch it and then things are not seemless. And I am trying to figure out the why's and how's for that problem.

--jdiner

[johnwill]

Christmas is good! :D

[jdiner]

Oh darn it and there it is. Sometimes I swear DTV is doing this stuff on purpose. :(


ZZZ: I-Frame Diffs: 111111 == 37.0000000000
ZZZ: I-Frame Diffs: 84085 == 28.0003330003
ZZZ: I-Frame Diffs: 54053 == 17.9996669997
ZZZ: I-Frame Diffs: 117117 == 39.0000000000
ZZZ: I-Frame Diffs: 91592 == 30.5001665002
ZZZ: I-Frame Diffs: 90090 == 30.0000000000
ZZZ: I-Frame Diffs: 90090 == 30.0000000000
ZZZ: I-Frame Diffs: 91591 == 30.4998334998
ZZZ: I-Frame Diffs: 108108 == 36.0000000000


Some new code added to watch what is going on with the cuts...

The first one is exactly 37 frames at 29.97 frames in 1 GOP.

The second 1 had the click shift by 1 on the 90,000hz base clock. Should have been 84084 for the time diff but was 84085.

The third was off by 1 in the other direction, a common issue, and should have been 54054. (Note that the 2 merge to balance things.)

The fifth one showcases the problem... 30.5 frames. Not supposed to be possible according to the specs. The I-Frame is not supposed to require anything before it. But in this case it does. And it is 3 more GOPs before it does get back to proper framing. Ugh... What to do now...

--jdiner

[jdiner]

Well. I really am at a loss as to what to do right now with all of this FAE stuff.

I had made an assumption which turns out to be wrong about how things were laid out. DTV has done one more thing that seems to be just plain wrong.

Any ideas?

--jdiner

[sanderton]

Originally posted by asicguyca
This is a screenshot of how gopeditor truncates the right side on my system.

I've had that too, but quitting TyTool and reloading the clip fixed it. (GeForce MX200, UK SA, Best)

[jdiner]

Maybe I am being too much of a perfectionist on this issue. Maybe a gap of .0167 of a second won't be enough to worry about. I guess it will depend on what it looks like in the majority of cases.

--jdiner

[johnwill]

I think I'd go for the "not quite perfect" solution and see how it plays. Life is full of compromise, this may just be one more. :)

Have you done the "visual" test to see how it affects the final product?

[bato]

Originally posted by jdiner
Maybe I am being too much of a perfectionist... Maybe you are, but I think that's a good thing. I'll not worry about it.

[keith721]

Originally posted by jdiner
Maybe I am being too much of a perfectionist on this issue. Maybe a gap of .0167 of a second won't be enough to worry about. I guess it will depend on what it looks like in the majority of cases.

--jdiner When using only GOP-accurate editing from my SA Tivo (yup, I'm one of those guys ;)) the worst artifacts I've ever seen at cuts were less than a second, and completely insignificant, compared to watching or skipping the damned commercials. I say let's see just how bad everyone else thinks .0167 of a second looks. Probably not too darned bad, at all. :p

[jdiner]

Well now isn't that interesting...

I found the source of the problem and why things never seem to line up. What a pile of crap.

Ok. Here is the deal. My code correctly, if a touch slowly, decodes the data. But thanks to the DTV stream we get < 29.97 frames per second. The RFF flags being the main culprit there.

In one of my test cases I have a GOP that has "37 frames" in it but only has 28 actual mpeg-2 pictures. Hence the reason DTV does it. You can dramatically save space that way.

The problem is that I re-encode the 28 I get from decoding and the new GOPs duration is all wrong.

I have to find a proper way to force it back to what it was. Either that means more work in the decoder or something... Anyone know of a transcoder program that I can check a few things out with? I have been thinking of tmpgenc but I was wondering if anyone knows of any others.

--jdiner

[jdiner]

Ah man. It was my fault to boot. :(

At least I could have had a bug to point to that was someone elses fault. But nooOOOOoooo....

Turns out I had a local variable, that specified the RFF flag that was mentioned before. Then a global variable with which to use it elsewhere. See the problem?

Gonna have to rebuild things and do some more testing to make sure I am right in what I am doing and that things are working as they are supposed to.

The good news is that I figure out, in doing all of this testing, how to get rid of the "bad" gap that I mentioned before due to partial frames. The problem is a gotcha but I no know how to correct for it.

Further, I know what needs to be done to correct the output to get the right number of frames.

Never bothered to look for tmpgenc or other tools. Sometimes it is just plain easier to look at what you have and what the process is than to look at the output data and try to guess what causes the differences.

--jdiner

[ronnythunder]

sounds like you've almost got it rockin', josh. keep up the great work!

ronny

[jdiner]

Oh yeah. The reason for my last post was sad news for some...

The FAE cut files you are making for things are mostly likely going to be OFF and have to be redone.

My apologies for that.

The problem is that the # of frames and the position of things will and can change a bit.

No the GOP positions won't so you can just edit them and make some changes. Or rather you will be able to in the future.

I am going to add in the edit-an-existing-cut change that has long been needed.

So it will just be a process of checking and possibly fixing the frame for the cuts. But everyone might want to stop using the old stuff until the next new versions comes along. No need to purposefully make work for yourselves...

--jdiner

[FredThompson]

Originally posted by jdiner
I have to find a proper way to force it back to what it was. Either that means more work in the decoder or something... Anyone know of a transcoder program that I can check a few things out with? I have been thinking of tmpgenc but I was wondering if anyone knows of any others. GPL command line M2V transcoder http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=62849

ReJig http://www.rejig.org

These are pure transcoders, similar to what broadcasters use inline.

DTV is VFR? Nifty but difficult.

[Fugg]

Originally posted by jdiner
... But everyone might want to stop using the old stuff until the next new versions comes along. No need to purposefully make work for yourselves...

--jdiner
Stop using tytool preview and delete the fae key and cut files for the ty's we have already done using it? (the ones we did for testing)...as the fae cuts will be off and would need to be "fixed" with the next version, and we might as well just do them again?

The key files should be ok, eh? ...or do they need to be redone as well?

I'm not fussin', just being sure before I go all willy-nilly with the delete key. I got a bunch of preview key and cut files. ...a big bunch....

:)

[jdiner]

Originally posted by FredThompson
GPL command line M2V transcoder http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=62849

ReJig http://www.rejig.org

These are pure transcoders, similar to what broadcasters use inline.

DTV is VFR? Nifty but difficult.
VFR is what i thought at first, some time ago. But after a much looking by myself and the team doing tystudio it became clear that this was not the case. They just take compression to the fullest extent possible. Makes it look like VFR actually isn't.

For 29.97 fps, standard NTSC rates, you get 3003 clock ticks between frames on a 90khz clock (which is what mpeg uses). If you use the RFF flag, Repeat First Field, you get a clock timing of 4504/4505 in an alternating pattern. This is because the of the whole number versus floating point conversion...

So the problem is that you for ever pair (read as "just 2") of the RFF mpeg-2 pictures you need to output 3 frames for display. In the simplest terms a Frame is either TB or BT. Top Field first, or Bottom Field First. If 2 frames in a row have the RFF field on and where ordered as TB BT you actually get the following. The ' character is used to mark the same field repeated.

TB T'B TB'

Not hard to do, and explains why in my code I was getting 29 frames when I needed 37.5. If you drop the RFF flag, as I was by accident, then you get TB BT and are 1 frame short. With the longer GOPs from DTV Across the space of about 1300 pictures I was 350 or so frames short.

Now the big problem. The one that is really a problem. By spec the I-Frame is supposed to be independant of anything else around it. Garanteed to be seperate from everything you need to see or have or do to decode it properly and start the stream playing right there.

GOPs on the DTV stream can and do end "mid-frame". According to the mpeg spec this is illegal. But almost every player out there handles it correctly. Mid-frame means that we have half a frame, or 1 field, as we go into the I-Frame.

Sadly 2 of the software players I have don't like it at all. PowerDVD's latest version likes it just fine.

But all 4 of my Hardware players work like a charm.

--jdiner

[jdiner]

Originally posted by FredThompson
GPL command line M2V transcoder http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=62849

Oh and on this one. It is a very clever idea. The slowest part of MPEG-2 compression is figuring out where things are the same. This is done on purpose. Think of a slow pan from right to left. Most of the screen image remains exactly the same. All that changes is one side. To get smaller images MPEG-2 uses "motion compensation" to deal with this. In essence a later image can say you will find what I am looking for 'here' on this previous image. Much less information is needed to be able to reconstitute the final image.

As you can probably guess from that description the process is costly in time and processing power.

The metakine tool leaves all of that alone. The images don't change. They don't resize etc... So the motion comp vectors are all the same. All they do is drop the bit rate for the segments of data. This is one of the coolest ideas I have seen for this type of thing in a long long time.

The problem for us they require a constant field ordering and 1 picture == 1 frame. With SATivos this is present and will work. With DTivos not even close. So for all of us DTivo users we are simply out of luck.

--jdiner

[jdiner]

Originally posted by Fugg
Stop using tytool preview and delete the fae key and cut files for the ty's we have already done using it? (the ones we did for testing)...as the fae cuts will be off and would need to be "fixed" with the next version, and we might as well just do them again?

The key files should be ok, eh? ...or do they need to be redone as well?

I'm not fussin', just being sure before I go all willy-nilly with the delete key. I got a bunch of preview key and cut files. ...a big bunch....

:)

No don't delete everything. That is what I was trying to say.

The process will in general remain the same. You need to find the GOP that starts it. You need to find the key frame to cut on etc...

Most of that work you have done already. I.e. identified the GOP where the cut needs to take place etc... But the frame count could be in the wrong place. If I only decoded 29 frames and there were supposed to be 37 (like my main test case right now) then a cut at 19 could be a few frames to early.

I will be adding the "edit and existing cut" to GopEditor for the next major release. So all you will need to do is "patch up the frame part" of the cuts you have already made. Should save some major time.

My comment about wasting time was for doing any new CUT files as it has become clear they will be off as well. No other choice given that the decoder is doing things wrong at the present time.

So don't delete anything just hold off for a bit.

--jdiner

[jdiner]

Wow. This is interesting...

I have been working over the RFF issue in the decoder. I ran into a few things that are not clear from the docs.

So I did some quick greps on some of the various sources that I have for mpeg2 decoding.

Not a one of them does it. Not even some of those that are the most highly touted ones. They all ignore the flag completely. A few go so far as to "debug print" the information but none actually use it for anything at all. Wild!

The worst part is that the proper method for doing it is incredibly simple. I can't help but wonder if any of the other sources for mpeg video do it at all, or if DTV is the standout. Limited support for it in most players make me wonder.

--jdiner

[koreth]

My understanding is that a lot of decoders ignore RFF because it's frequently set incorrectly, and paying attention to it when it's set wrong causes the output to look terrible.

[jdiner]

Hummm. I can see that being the case with 3:2 pulldown. That is almost always done wrong. Recently there have been some new projects in that area that are doing much much better.

The good news for us is that since I have timestamps as well, I can and do (or wold that be am) verifying one against the other.

--jdiner

[kyle]

Originally posted by jdiner
Ummm. I dunno about the new transcoding stuff. I was trying not to have to rebuild things that didn't need it crucially at this point. I was trying to just solve a few critical things as my focus is elsewhere at the moment.

--jdiner

Josh, Sorry to bring this up again, but I waited a month--I was wondering when you might be able to get the transcoding volume fix knob into a preview or final release. (I've got a bunch of stuff piling up that I'd like to trim and burn, but the volume is way too soft.)

Thanks,
-Kyle

[boogie]

Josh,

I've been having one heck of a time trying to process extracted ty files with Dolby Digital soundtracks lately using TyTool8r4. I've also tried older versions with no luck. I can extract the ty file just fine but when I try to create a key file TyTool just crashes. I tried using TyFileSplit to cut out the initial non-DD segment but it still shows up as mpeg layer II and then TyTool crashes when trying to create a keyfile. This is happening with virtually every DD PPV movie on DTV of late. In the past I was usually able to get around this by re-recording the movie and then processing it again but now it's crashing on every recording. I'm using a S2 HDVR2 with the latest MIPS software installed on the DTivo. I just tried it again using the latest MIPS files in Snoopy's TyTool (everything) file. FWIW, non-DD programs process without a problem.

[jdiner]

Originally posted by boogie
Josh,

I've been having one heck of a time trying to process extracted ty files with Dolby Digital soundtracks lately using TyTool8r4. I've also tried older versions with no luck. I can extract the ty file just fine but when I try to create a key file TyTool just crashes. I tried using TyFileSplit to cut out the initial non-DD segment but it still shows up as mpeg layer II and then TyTool crashes when trying to create a keyfile. This is happening with virtually every DD PPV movie on DTV of late. In the past I was usually able to get around this by re-recording the movie and then processing it again but now it's crashing on every recording. I'm using a S2 HDVR2 with the latest MIPS software installed on the DTivo. I just tried it again using the latest MIPS files in Snoopy's TyTool (everything) file. FWIW, non-DD programs process without a problem.
Sounds like something is wrong.

Try jumping, or cutting, way into the middle of the file. It could either be something happening on setup or it could be something else entirely. Without something to look at that shows the problem I am out of luck. :(

--jdiner

[boogie]

I just tried using TyFileSplit on "The Matrix Reloaded" with DD audio by jumping 2500 chunks into the ty file. I was able to process the segment without TyTool crashing and create a key file as well as view the segment in GopEditor. The Tivo type was indicated as "unknown" and it still showed the audio as mpeg layer II. Another attempt with "The Hulk" by jumping 2000 chunks into the file still caused it to crash when attempting to create a key file.

[jdiner]

Woah. if the tivo type was detected as unknown you have a major problem there.

Please use TyFileSplit and cut a 40 chunk block from the start for me and either put it up for FTP or PM me for details on where you ftp it too.

Sound like they changed something recently and TyTool is no longer locking onto things. Which is wierd. But what version of the OS are you using?

I would expect that it has nothing to do with it being a PPV but rather is that it is a DD audio stream.

--jdiner

[jdiner]

Woah, just found another decoder bug. Crap.

It had no effect on the GAE stuff from before. But with the new stuff I was dropping another flag, in the same place strangely enough and could be getting some field ordering wrong. Wild.

--jdiner

[jdiner]

Sweet. The decoder now generates the right number of frames for everything. Only took about 2 hours to track everything down and fix it. Not bad. Spent way to much time chasing the frame ordering bug... :(

--jdiner

[jdiner]

Oh man. After coming all of this way with this stuff I am about ready to throw in the towel on FAE.

I have been sitting here trying to solve yet another DTV oddity. It must be possible as other editors do it. At least I think they do. But I can't see a way to do it right now. I need to start using this thing again to clear off HD space and not keep piling things up.

The problem is that I am breaking down a GOP into the composite frames. I have that part done now and it all works great. Most of the time.

There is one notable exception. Every now and again I get a GOP that is not a whole number of frames long. We get a half a frame at the very end. I mentioned this before as it is seriously out of spec (as always IMHO).

If you do a start cut on this "type" of a GOP it is fine as we are using the ones that line up from the start and throwing away the end that is wonky.

But if you do an end cut on these freaky GOPs we need to use this end data that doesn't line up right. Oh you can decode it with many things as when streaming it still produces complete frames. But when editing I need things to be complete. I made the assumption that they were based on what I had read, and now that that is not the case much of my design is just not working out right.

I have tried to think of a way around this but nothing comes to mind. A few thoughts:

1- I can re-encode starting there until we see another half-frame GOP. The problem in just looking at things quickly now I found way that more than 100 GOPs away. That is just not workable.

2- I can re-encode less than a full GOP. This get seriously tricky right around the GOP boundary. If you want to cut just the wrong frame you are out of luck...

3- In reference to #2, I can go back to the earlier idea on cutting where things are on a close to frame accurate boundary (2 or so junk frames at any time). But that is no better really. Almost as much work without the perfect cuts.

4- ??? I can't figure out a 4... There must be something but I am drawing a complete blank.

The only thing that seems like it would work is to get more data and re-encode more. Doing so should result in getting a set of full frames. But if we have >100 GOPs we are talking megabytes of data.

--jdiner

[bato]

Can you detect the GOP.

If those kind of GOPs are not that common (100 GOPs apart) maybe for first release only be able to cut in "normal" GOPs and keep this weird GOP complete or delete entire GOP.

Maybe a couple of week later you can figure a way to cut that GOP and/or recreate the GOP into smaller parts so you can get FAE or nearly that with those weird GOPs.

Of course, I don't know what I'm talking about. I wish I can understand everything that you say.

[jdiner]

Ok. I had an idea that I think will solve the problem. But it is going to take a ton of thought on the process.

The good news I might be able to solve this and do it right.

The bad news, there is no way it is going to happen by Christmas. So go and do whatever it is you and yours do. I will keep you posted but don't hold your breath.

--jdiner

[Toddler]

Josh, I'm following everything you've been doing lately with absolute amazement. Every single time you think something might be impossible, you always seem to discover a creative solution.

As a SA user, the DTV stuff doesn't affect me, so naturally I'm excited for you to release something, but even so...I know everyone here will support you taking the time to do it right, no matter how long that turns out to be.

[FredThompson]

Josh, if I understand correctly, you've got one field or half a frame at the tail end of what you want to keep, correct? It's perfectly valid to add an all-(NTSC-valid)-black field to complete the frame. This is commonly done when field-swapping DV. It works as long as the secondary field is missing.

Alternately, you could just throw that field away. 1/60 second is all but invisible to the human eye at an edit point.

- edit (and re-edit)

I think I misunderstood. You're saying the end GOP of a cut, right? It's missing the last field, right? Just copy the same field from the following frame. There's a slight chance it will look a little goofy on a per-frame basis but you'll probably never notice anything during playback.

[jbc]

OT:

Josh I just tried to send you a 2 part PM, part 1 made it through. Part 2 didn't send because of a full box.

I can send the second part later (if I remember)

[salva]

Hi, I started the following thread:

http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=30382

I guess that is time to continue it here.

- What can be done to get tytool to get a "cleaner" mpg stream to transcode into divx ?

I like the overall interfase of tytool but I get better (or let's say correct) mpg clips to transcode with tystudio.

Suggestions welcomed.

Salva

[FredThompson]

salva,

Load your MPEG through VirtualDub-MPEG2 or use Donald Graft's modified DVD2AVI and frameserve to Gordian Knot or whatever you are using to encode.

Don't get too concerned about MPEG quality. If you browse this thread you'll see there's a lot going on with tytool development.

Output will be more compatible. It's coming, be patient.

[snowblind]

This program will start the tytool server and stop it when you close it.

My tivo runs better if I dont leave tserver_mfs7 running all the time.

Please D/L it and see if it works for you, it works here but it still needs work on the text output

It assumes the tserver_mfs7 exe is in /var/hack/bin dir on the tivo, This will change.

Add a line to this file C:\WINDOWS\system32\drivers\etc\hosts

192.168.1.2 tivo

You need to change the 192. 168.1.2 number to match your tivo.

The above path is where the file is on WinXP.

I think tytool talked about useing the host file in its readme, so maybe most of you guys have already done that.

[tivomaster]

Originally posted by snowblind
This program will start the tytool server and stop it when you close it.

My tivo runs better if I dont leave tserver_mfs7 running all the time.

Please D/L it and see if it works for you, it works here but it still needs work on the text output

It assumes the tserver_mfs7 exe is in /var/hack/bin dir on the tivo, This will change.

Add a line to this file C:\WINDOWS\system32\drivers\etc\hosts

192.168.1.2 tivo

You need to change the 192. 168.1.2 number to match your tivo.

The above path is where the file is on WinXP.

I think tytool talked about useing the host file in its readme, so maybe most of you guys have already done that.


Couldnt get it to work here..
put tserver_mfs7 in /var/hack/bin/tserver_mfs7

It works because I can run it manually just fine.
I run your tool and it displays a box with
bash-2.02#
in it and hangs from there.

[snowblind]

It works because I can run it manually just fine.
I run your tool and it displays a box with
bash-2.02#
in it and hangs from there.

Ok this release should fix it. I changed the bash prompt checking to be more generic.


You guy think I should start TyTOOL, If the server starts ok?

I plan on making my program only let one copy be running at a time.

[tivomaster]

Originally posted by snowblind
Ok this release should fix it. I changed the bash prompt checking to be more generic.


You guy think I should start TyTOOL, If the server starts ok?

I plan on making my program only let one copy be running at a time.

That fixed it,
I don't think starting Tytool is necessary.
What about making the configuration in a .ini file or something. I usually keep my tserver in a different directory than /var/hack/bin.. I know /var/hack/bin is not the universal place. I had to move it and NowShowing.tcl in order for it to work.

What about doing something like a configurable starter program and allow you to send it command via runstring variables. That way it could be used for tserver and vserver and etc....

PS what is this written in?

TM...

[snowblind]

That fixed it

Good

I don't think starting Tytool is necessary.

I will make this configureable if I use ini files this could be used to start any program on per dir basis. This is low on the todo list anyway.



...... I had to move it and NowShowing.tcl in order for it to work.

This is what i will do next even before cleaning up the text output more to be generic to support other servers output text

I plan on having a config for working dir and command line

working dir will be what my program CDs to before running the whats in the command line.


PS what is this written in?

I use lcc-win32 as the complier. It's C using win32 calls.




Its pretty easy code. I was sending stuff to the tivo in hours. What had me pulling my hair out was the telnet negotiation process.. :confused:

I just released this to see if anyone would use it, It did what I needed no reason to do alot of work if noone will use it.

[boogie]

Josh,

I found that the issue I was having with the Dolby Digital recordings seems to be unique to the series 2 DTivos. I have several of them hacked with the latest MIPS utilities and I get the same error with each of them when processing DD movies from PPV. When I record the same movie on my S1 DTivo I can process it with no problems. I pulled a 40-chunk segment from the beginning of the clip as you requested and then sent you a PM but never heard back from you.

My PC OS is Windows 2K. I'm running 3.1.1b with monte on the S2 DTivos and 2.5.2 on the S1 model.

[mavrcksd]

Originally posted by snowblind
Ok this release should fix it. I changed the bash prompt checking to be more generic.


You guy think I should start TyTOOL, If the server starts ok?

I plan on making my program only let one copy be running at a time.

Just a little addition. for those of us with more than one tivo, just having the app go to "tivo" as a hostname is not going to work. I have Tivo (sa1) and Dtivo (hdvr2) and spare (sa1)

just my $.02 :)

MAV

[snowblind]

I now use a ini file:

1) You can now change the host address

2) You can now change the dir it CD's into

3) You can change the command used also

See changes and readme for more info

Just a little addition. for those of us with more than one tivo, ....
You can do that with this release now. You will just need to have 3 different directories with a different ini file in each one.

[BubbleLamp]

Originally posted by snowblind
I now use a ini file:

1) You can now change the host address

2) You can now change the dir it CD's into

3) You can change the command used also

See changes and readme for more info


You can do that with this release now. You will just need to have 3 different directories with a different ini file in each one.

It might be better for you to create a new thread for this applet, to give it more visibility and to keep this one more on-target. Just a suggestion.

[jdiner]

I agree. When I gave the OK I thought it would be a single binary post. Given the level of discussion please take it elsewhere. Less clutter here for those not using and it and more easy access for those that do want to read up about it.

Thanks,
--jdiner

[ronnythunder]

ah, but soon, josh will start the "tytool alpha #9r1..." thread with some nice zip files, and we'll start clean again! :)

(just kidding, josh!)

ronny

[snowblind]

jdiner,

Thanks agian for the ok to release here, I dont want to piss you off. I could see that it was getting out of hand.

I should have said this in my release post but I was planing on doing that for my next release.

I wanted the text output to work better before going prime time. If I ever do.

All should send me a PM if you have anything to say about my program untill I post it in a new thread. Or if you want updates.

[zeddock]

.

[zeddock]

I have just successfully completed my very first HACK! It is so cool to have increased the HD and gotten network connectivity on my HDVR2.

I know this is child's play to most of you, but I think it rocks.

My next step is to "get" recordings off of the Tivo and onto my Computer Harddrive, and then maybe to DVD or V-CD.

I DLed several things from here (http://dvd-create.sourceforge.net/tystudio/index.shtml)
,(version .5 b2,) and I ran it on my XP machine.

(BTW, which finger is that? And is that you, "jdiner" <smile>)

It will not connect to my tivo which I can reach via SmartFTP, TelNet, and ping on the network, I *did* just find something on the threads, today, which suggests that I need to set it for Single Socket, because it is trying to find two ip addresses at the same time, (or something like that.) So I will examine that this weekend.

My Post is because I am not sure TyTools is what I need. I would like someone to verify that I am not off base.

Like I said, I have done the Sleeper ISO hack. I note that TyTools are loaded and I have executed Tyserver.... it said soemthign like waiting for connections... The machine is 4 hours away so I am pulling from OLD grey-matter.

My wife would like to occasionally burn recorded shows for me to watch later on my laptop or on a DVD player. I commute many hours away each week an am away for most of the week so this would be GReat!

Is TyTools where I need to focus my attentions? Are these tools the complete set of things necessary for me to actually do this?

I ask because I got a flavor that the tools were for Video Editing.

With the sleeper ISO what else is needed? Do I need to have her execute something everytime, on the Tivo...through the network, when she wants to extract? Or... once I get this connection thing figured out it will be simple for her through a GUI on the XP machine?

In closing, thanx to jdiner for keeping a flame-free thread, and offering such cool tools for us to use. I am a noob. But I want to learn in an environment that doesn't hammer on me when I don't know or perform to a master's level. I am an apprentice.... Thanx for helping me to learn!

-zeddock

[FredThompson]

dvd-create is a different set of tools. Personally, I only use tytool. Read the docs which are enclosed in it. snoopy's sticky thread has links to "newbie" documents. Look here also: http://themurrays.homeip.net/downloads/tivo/tivo.html

Sleeper's ISO has nothing to do with this thread or this discussion area. Read the sticky thread in the S2 area THEN, if you don't understand it, post your questions about it there.

[FredThompson]

Josh,

Please consider adding these to the upcoming release:

1) A field in tytool to append the recording date to filenames of retrieved files.

This would be a huge help for show titles which don't include episode information.

2) The option to not have "-" at the end of the .ty filename

3) Object names default to VOB filenames in the DVD layout editor.

[zeddock]

Originally posted by FredThompson
dvd-create is a different set of tools. Personally, I only use tytool. Read the docs which are enclosed in it. snoopy's sticky thread has links to "newbie" documents. Look here also: http://themurrays.homeip.net/downloads/tivo/tivo.html

Sleeper's ISO has nothing to do with this thread or this discussion area. Read the sticky thread in the S2 area THEN, if you don't understand it, post your questions about it there.

Wow! Quick!

I was just reading it while you were writing. You are correct. And Snoopy's info was very helpful.

(I had opened the posts in a seperate window when I was searching and didnt see it until after I closed from this one.) :)

Thanx,
Zeddock

[snoopy]

Originally posted by zeddock
Wow! Quick!

I was just reading it while you were writing. You are correct. And Snoopy's info was very helpful.

(I had opened the posts in a seperate window when I was searching and didnt see it until after I closed from this one.) :)

Thanx,
Zeddock
Glad to be of assistance

[FredThompson]

TheMurray's graphical step-by-step how-to is being updated for DVD. Just FYI.

[jbc]

Josh, Re tool to extract raw dss stream data

the PMing is a pain, your box is full so my message disappears and I can't go "back" to copy it. The reply is lost for good. I'll break from what I want to do and post here...

>But dude I begin to wonder how much you really know about
> mpeg-2 if you can't demux an mpeg PS or VOB file.

I never asked about demuxing MPEG-2 PS or VOBs. If I couldn't do that you'd be correct. Maybe I just worded my question poorly.

What I need is to be able to examine the RAW DSS data stream(s). As I understand it, the dtivo has captures the DSS TS and converts it into the tivo's ty format. (If you can point me to docs on this I'd love to read up.) I really know nothing about the tivo and its internal format.

But, I don't care about the MPEG generated from the stream. If you screwed up, I'd just be examining your error and not what caused it.

I've looked at the ty streams and I can't make anything out of them. That's where I need the help, getting the ty to a format I can understand, the raw data stream is what I'd like to see.

[jdiner]

Here is a fixed TyFileSplit that handles TyStreams larger than 2gig correctly. Technically it will go larger than 4gig as well.

--jdiner

[jdiner]

Originally posted by jbc

the PMing is a pain, your box is full so my message disappears and I can't go "back" to copy it. The reply is lost for good. I'll break from what I want to do and post here...

You should be able to hit the back button. And I am sorry it is full. But I get a ton of messages a day. Got 3 requests today for "last minute" things before Christmas presents were to be given out.


I never asked about demuxing MPEG-2 PS or VOBs. If I couldn't do that you'd be correct. Maybe I just worded my question poorly.

What I need is to be able to examine the RAW DSS data stream(s). As I understand it, the dtivo has captures the DSS TS and converts it into the tivo's ty format. (If you can point me to docs on this I'd love to read up.) I really know nothing about the tivo and its internal format.

But, I don't care about the MPEG generated from the stream. If you screwed up, I'd just be examining your error and not what caused it.

I've looked at the ty streams and I can't make anything out of them. That's where I need the help, getting the ty to a format I can understand, the raw data stream is what I'd like to see.
The raw stream data is long gone by the time you can attach to anything within the tivo at the filesystem level. With no encoder you can't even patch into things that early. I suppose the sat receriver part might be a device within the system but I have never looked and don't know.

Also perhaps I am assuming too much here. There is a long history to my tools that many people here know. I had assumed that you had read up on things a bit.

At present TyTool/Vsplit do not process within the elementary streams at all. The repackage from the tystream format into the mpeg2 format in a couple of different ways.

The split feature, unmanges the TyStreams into the elementary stream data. Nothing is changed or alter within the ES itself.

Mux uses an old old format for output of a PS.

Split mux uses this same old format but goes to seperate files at each cut point (if there are any).

Vob goes to a completely different format of output. I don't just mean the DVD private stream packets but the entire thing is different.

As for me screwing up? Always possible. But the frame disection is only about the new code which has never been released. The old stuff that I suggested you use has been thorough tested and works like a charm.

As for the format of the tystream. I released a doc about it in the howto sticky on this very forum. The tystudio people did the same thing. We focused on different things and within these 2 docs is pretty much everything you would need to know.

Also you can find the source to the original vsplit tool from Tridge in many places. It is 50 or so lines that do the most basic job at splitting and nothing more.

--jdiner

[johnwill]

The only "screwing up" I see here is looking a gift horse in the mouth and trying to count it's teeth! :D

[gobsmack]

OK, can anyone tell me the math to convert frames (FRM, as reported by GOP editor) to chunks?

I've searched and can't find it. Somebody give me a stocking stuffer here and crack the code... Thanks!


Gobs

[jdiner]

There is no clear way to do it. I can tell but only because I know way more about the internals that I swear I ever wanted too.

The obscure way that does work is process it, something like make the key file etc..., with the verbosity turned up.

Edit the resultingly HUGE text file, often 3-5gig, then search on the video frames. A number counts up for each frame along with the timestamp etc...

--jdiner

[jdiner]

I cracked it today. Like I said it was not going to happen by Christmas but close. I figured out the hanging field stuff that was crapping out the frame accurate editing. It took a bit to catch the pattern and figure it out.

Some more work to do but it is way more minimal work than what I was planning before. I hope to have it out sometime soon but for now things are going to continue as they have been. I will work on it as I get time and get the things out to the early testers. I still need a few email addresses from some. If those notified don't want to be on it then I will need to ask for a few more.

--jdiner

[gobsmack]

OK, that makes me feel better -- if the master doesn't have a quick-and-dirty algorithm, I am breathing a sigh of relief!

I just used successive approximations, and I'll post this just in case someone else has lots of long tys to edit (baseball, baby!).

FRM at which you'd like the file to end
divided by
FRM total for the file

Mult that fraction times the chunk size of the file. It will get you closer, but expect it to be off. Re-file split, re key, look at file in the editor. Repeat the above method.

Took me 3 iterations to get it perfect, and I'd expected 5-6 iterations to get it perfect, so perhaps a little luck.

Originally posted by jdiner
There is no clear way to do it. I can tell but only because I know way more about the internals that I swear I ever wanted too.

The obscure way that does work is process it, something like make the key file etc..., with the verbosity turned up.

Edit the resultingly HUGE text file, often 3-5gig, then search on the video frames. A number counts up for each frame along with the timestamp etc...

--jdiner

[warrenrb]

Long time listener, first time caller....

Just a quick question this Xmas evening... Are PAL menus going to happen in the next big release?

I know a few UK users have mentioned it, but I can't find if it was ever resolved.

Luckily, the NTSC menu shows on my Sony DVD player, albeit a bit squashed, but at my brothers for Christmas, I tried my Seinfeld DVD in his player, and the menu flashes up in black & white, and then just skips to the first track, making the menu unusable. I was hoping to do some discs for him, so it would be great if this fixed it. Interestingly, the software player on my Mac worked ok in Jaguar (10.2), but freaks out when I upgraded to Panther (10.3). Again a weird menu problem. Anyone else seen this?

I know this project is based on JDiner's needs, so this might not happen. Alternatively, have any UK users worked out a hack for DVD author, to allow me to use a PAL menu? Sanderton maybe?

[jdiner]

To be honest. I doubt that the PAL menus will make it into the next release. I am working on the FAE stuff right now. I plan to get to it at some point. But it is going to be a bit as there is a ton of stuff to do.

--jdiner

[jdiner]

I know as much as anything it is just new and different. But does anyone else find this new interface color/scheme etc... freakishly annoying? I liked the old look and feel much better.

I wonder if there is an option anywhere to get back to it...

--jdiner

[FredThompson]

It looks like a half-completed design. When reading a thread, there's a DealDatabase logo with a purple background just sort of stuck at the top. It also seems to me there's less room for the actual messages. Maybe it's just my perception but the threads look squeezed horizontally with huge margins on the side. Purple of various sorts and teal plus varying logos. Yuck. Nothing wrong with a makeover but it sure seems incomplete and a little more difficult to navigate. Tell you what, I absolutely HATE the way the bottom 50%+ of the screen is full of non-message stuff and each post is now vertically larger. Would far prefer the poster info back on the left with smaller fonts. Look at how much vertical space a single-line post now takes up. Bleech!!!

[BubbleLamp]

I know as much as anything it is just new and different. But does anyone else find this new interface color/scheme etc... freakishly annoying? I liked the old look and feel much better.

I wonder if there is an option anywhere to get back to it...

--jdiner

I posted a note the other forum about it. Hopefully Vadim will get the kinks worked out of this new version soon. Right now it's great for folks with vision impairments! :eek:

[dlang]

I know as much as anything it is just new and different. But does anyone else find this new interface color/scheme etc... freakishly annoying? I liked the old look and feel much better.

I wonder if there is an option anywhere to get back to it...

--jdiner
you are not the only one who finds this significantly harder to read then the old one

[Toddler]

This new forum design sucks big time.

[AVD]

takes some getting used to

[Slowride]

I know as much as anything it is just new and different. But does anyone else find this new interface color/scheme etc... freakishly annoying? I liked the old look and feel much better.

I wonder if there is an option anywhere to get back to it...

--jdiner

I agree, the old version was soo much nicer....

[Hi8]

I know as much as anything it is just new and different. But does anyone else find this new interface color/scheme etc... freakishly annoying? I liked the old look and feel much better.

I wonder if there is an option anywhere to get back to it...

--jdiner

I'm now at the other end of re-design (used to be a webmaster for a major newspaper site) I feel the pain of the end-user. I hate it! Why don't the Email links work to the LAST or relevant message?

[FredThompson]

Yeah, yeah, I know. Last minute requests...

Any chance tytool could display used/available space on the TiVo it's polled?

[BubbleLamp]

Yeah, yeah, I know. Last minute requests...

Any chance tytool could display used/available space on the TiVo it's polled?

Oh puleeeaaassseee. :rolleyes:

[Toddler]

I'm assuming that BubbleLamp's remark was sarcasm, but I would LOVE that feature, so here's a second for FredThompson's request. Sounds simple, but boy that would really help me manage things better before I start running into space issues.

[jdiner]

Someone tell me how to figure that out for a non-standard FS drive like that and I will be happy to do so,

--jdiner

[onelostsoul]

Did anyone else have their ID hosed and the password rejected? My old ID no longer works, and when I try to recover the password, the link they send for you to recover the password is bad. Email to the webmaster goes unanswered for two days. VERY LOW CLASS!

Have I mentioned it, THE NEW FORMAT SUCKS and is buggier than a roach motel! :mad: :mad: :mad:

[SR712]

Did anyone else have their ID hosed and the password rejected? My old ID no longer works, and when I try to recover the password, the link they send for you to recover the password is bad. Email to the webmaster goes unanswered for two days. VERY LOW CLASS!

Have I mentioned it, THE NEW FORMAT SUCKS and is buggier than a roach motel! :mad: :mad: :mad:
Probably a post in the Questions and Comments Section (http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=11) would be more appropiate, instead of in the middle of a thread totally unrelated. I'm sure Vadim will get you taken care of, as he's been pretty busy with the rest of our whining. :)

[FredThompson]

I'm assuming that BubbleLamp's remark was sarcasm, but I would LOVE that feature, so here's a second for FredThompson's request. Sounds simple, but boy that would really help me manage things better before I start running into space issues.Yeah. If you know the available space on the TiVo whild you're running TyTool for extraction, you can better judge how critical it is to extract recordings before they're in danger of being overwritten. Tivoweb shows this stuff in the info screen but it would sure be nice to see it in TyTool, perhaps under the recordings listings. Are there source code repositories for tivoweb? That might be a way to find how to determine the usage stats.

[rd001]

Not to be annoying but...

It occurred to me that it might be handy to have the show title, channel number, and start/end times (GST time) and total number of chunks embedded in the .key file. The reason for including the actual start/end times would be for channels who start an epsisode a little early, like they do on some Seinfelds where a standard season pass will miss the first few seconds of the show.

Or if putting it into the .key file is undesirable, perhaps the editor could just append the editing parameters to a text file database.

We could perhaps compile these and use an online server located elsewhere to share editing lists. So everyone could use the same frame-accurate edit lists when they work with well-known series, like Stargate or Seinfeld for instance. It might also help with jumping to the start of a movie where the Dolby 5.1 track is, a problem for some people. Or so that people could use other users' "chapter points" in making up movie discs.

I guess I'm envisioning something like this: the GopEditor writes the info to a text file database when the user finishes his editing. Then you run a simple Visual Basic program that FTP's (or emails) the latest changes to a dedicated website. The VB client could also download the edit lists from that website, either by letting you select them, or just downloading the latest lists that were compiled at the website. It wouldn't be a high bandwidth site, maybe 5K-10K per user per day. So, a user could check to see if there was a cutlist that matches their show's exact start/end time (GMT) and channel and total size. If so, they could download the cutlist and start GopEditor and then load the cutlist.

Yeah, don't underestimate my laziness...


This would be something that many people here are capable of doing, to write a little client/server on a website to fetch a little text from the latest cut lists. So I'm not proposing any big addition to Josh's work. This would be for other enthusiasts. And I can't see any legal issue involved since it wouldn't be content sharing.

Anyway, it was just an idea.

Thanks for all the brilliant work, Josh. I'm always amazed at how well your stuff works.

[hashed]

How is it I have 8r4 and I only see 8r3 listed here?
Was 4 pulled off for some reason? It seems to be working fine for me!
:confused: :D

[FredThompson]

@rd001,

IIRC, this kind of thing was discussed before. The problem was dropped frames for DTiVo. Maybe not exactly, but it was something like that.

[GhostBrain]

I have a 5000MB Ty file that I extracted using TyTool8r3. When I converted to a VOB (or even an MPEG2) using TyTool, the resulting file is not corrent. It will play (Elecard plays it, but PowerDVD will freeze), but it will alternate between playing at a very fast speed, then normal speed. Then, as you can guess, the audio is way out of sync.

Is the 5000MB (about 3 hours) show too large for TyTool to handle?

Thanks!

[white2833]

I still need a few email addresses from some. If those notified don't want to be on it then I will need to ask for a few more.

Hi Josh,

I've been a silent user/admirer of your coding skills for a long time now. I have some 20+ years of systems experience, beta testing, video editing and am definately what you would consider a "power user". I would be pleased to assist in testing of the FAE and anything else DTiVo-related. I have a series 1 DSR6K, wireless TiVonet, and lots of experience in unix, networking, etc. (My day job is working as Systems Engineering Team Lead for Network Appliance...)

If I can be of assistance, email me.

BTW, GREAT job to date! Your efforts are hugely appreciated (and hopefully soon to be financially rewarded! :cool: )

Lance White

[jdiner]

How is it I have 8r4 and I only see 8r3 listed here?
Was 4 pulled off for some reason? It seems to be working fine for me!
:confused: :D
8r4 was the FAE test release. It was used to make key files for the new FAE GopEditor. It was listed in the release notes and in the post itself as to be used only for that testing purpose. It was not pulled off it is just part of the stream itself. There are some partial things in there that could come back to haunt you.

--jdiner

[jdiner]

Is the 5000MB (about 3 hours) show too large for TyTool to handle?

Yes and no. The code itself will handle it. The filesystem handles in use will not. I.e. all I do is open the file and read from it. But you can't read that large a file successfully most of the time under Windows.

Things are being patched as I redo elements for FAE to support larger/longer shows. But there is no time frame for such, not even any guesses on it. I will do FAE first and then as my stamina holds out I will keep adding other things. But what I am doing now has turned out to be a ton of work. Much more than originally planned.

--jdiner

[cojonesdetoro]

Yeah, yeah, I know. Last minute requests...
Any chance tytool could display used/available space on the TiVo it's polled?
Tivoweb shows space used in the info section. It doesn't show 'space available' but, if you know your total capacity then do the math.

As reported by tivoweb, my total capacity with two 120GB drives is about 220GB (120GB drives are always less than 120GB formatted). Others will vary because 120GB from diff makers can vary by a few GB. I had Samsung drives that are 111GB aad Maxtor that come to 114GB.

I use this lynx command to extract the space used:

lynx -dump http://${TIVO}/info/ | grep total | tail -1 | awk '{ print $3 " MB"}'

where $TIVO is the tivo IP address

I have a script that emails this information to the tivo (tpopd.tcl) every few hours so I can look at Tivo messages and know my usage. I also include the daily weather report,.. fun stuff.

[djimbuser]

Sadly, it still bombs for me... Click delete, get the deleting message, get a crash window.

AppName: tytool8r3.exe
ModName: tytool8r3.exe
Offset: 0000e692

Exception Information:
Code: 0xc0000005
Flags: 0x00000000
Record: 0x0000000000000000
Address: 0x000000000040e692

Same here.. I hope this helps (I'm using win2k):

0040E676 and ecx,3
0040E679 rep movs byte ptr [edi],byte ptr [esi]
0040E67B mov eax,dword ptr [ebp]
0040E67E or ecx,0FFFFFFFFh
0040E681 add ebp,4
0040E684 lea eax,[eax+eax*2]
0040E687 shl eax,4
0040E68A mov edi,dword ptr [eax+43526Ch]
0040E690 xor eax,eax
0040E692 repne scas byte ptr [edi]

EAX = 00000000 EBX = 00000000
ECX = FFFFFFFF EDX = B92419D8
ESI = 00000001 EDI = 00000000
EIP = 0040E692 ESP = 0012E520
EBP = 0012F07C EFL = 00000246

0043526C 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ...........
00435277 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 F8 26 .........ø&
00435282 7E 00 40 27 7E 00 00 00 00 00 58 ~.@'~.....X
0043528D 27 7E 00 80 27 7E 00 28 27 7E 00 '~.€'~.('~.
00435298 10 27 7E 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 .'~........
004352A3 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ...........
004352AE 00 00 98 27 7E 00 F0 27 7E 00 00 ..˜'~.ð'~..
004352B9 00 00 00 08 28 7E 00 58 A0 EB 00 ....(~.X*ë.
004352C4 D8 27 7E 00 C0 27 7E 00 00 00 00 Ø'~.À'~....
004352CF 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ...........
004352DA 00 00 00 00 00 00 70 A0 EB 00 B8 ......p*ë.¸
004352E5 A0 EB 00 00 00 00 00 E0 A0 EB 00 *ë.....à*ë.
004352F0 F8 A0 EB 00 A0 A0 EB 00 88 A0 EB ø*ë.**ë.ˆ*ë
004352FB 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ...........
00435306 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 10 ...........
00435311 A1 EB 00 58 A1 EB 00 00 00 00 00 ¡ë.X¡ë.....
0043531C 80 A1 EB 00 98 A1 EB 00 40 A1 EB €¡ë.˜¡ë.@¡ë
00435327 00 28 A1 EB 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 .(¡ë.......
00435332 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ...........
0043533D 00 00 00 B0 A1 EB 00 F8 A1 EB 00 ...°¡ë.ø¡ë.
00435348 00 00 00 00 10 A2 EB 00 28 A2 EB .....¢ë.(¢ë
00435353 00 E0 A1 EB 00 C8 A1 EB 00 00 00 .à¡ë.È¡ë...
0043535E 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ...........
00435369 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 40 A2 EB 00 .......@¢ë.
00435374 88 A2 EB 00 00 00 00 00 B0 A2 EB ˆ¢ë.....°¢ë
0043537F 00 C8 A2 EB 00 70 A2 EB 00 58 A2 .È¢ë.p¢ë.X¢

[jdiner]

Same here.. I hope this helps (I'm using win2k):

Check and make sure that you are using the latest, read correct, version of NowShowing.tcl. The one that came in the archive for the TyTool8r3 release. If you are not you are going to have nothing but trouble.

Other than that I have no idea. It is a pretty simple process.

--jdiner

[FredThompson]

@cojonesdetoro,

Yes, TivoWeb shows space used/available but it's not used by everyone and is still more steps for the user than a display in tytool. Tivoweb does some other things which tytool probably won't ever do like undelete, also.

[snowblind]

Someone tell me how to figure that out for a non-standard FS drive like that and I will be happy to do so,

--jdiner


Just a total in MB of all the shows in the now showing list you d/l would be helpful. I know I have about 25gig of free space. Yes I know that small but I d/l shows off that I want to save everyday.

[jmhenry5150]

When adding an extra VOB in the menu creation tool, It says that the DVD was created successfully, however, when I look in the directory that I was creating from, the following file exists:

dvdauthor.exe.stackdump

With the following test:

Exception: STATUS_ACCESS_VIOLATION at eip=00402599
eax=00003AA7 ebx=0A6FF3C8 ecx=00009B53 edx=0A379F10 esi=0A6FF3C8 edi=0022F7C4
ebp=0022F238 esp=0022F050 program=D:\TiVo Stuff\tytool\8r2\dvdauthor.exe
cs=001B ds=0023 es=0023 fs=003B gs=0000 ss=0023
Stack trace:
Frame Function Args
0022F238 00402599 (00436F40, 0022F7C4, 00000000, 00000003)
0022FCD4 0040BDEF (00000009, 0A010FA0, 0A010278, 00000000)
0022FF40 61003FA2 (00000000, 00000000, 00000000, 81C0AC00)
0022FF70 610041B9 (0040A730, 00000000, 0022FF90, 004107C8)
0022FF90 610041F9 (00000000, 00000000, 81C0AD30, 00000005)
0022FFB0 004106D2 (0040A730, 037F0009, 0022FFF0, 77E4F38C)
0022FFC0 0040103C (00000000, 00000000, 7FFDF000, F5577CF0)
0022FFF0 77E4F38C (00401000, 00000000, 78746341, 00000020)
End of stack trace



When I look in the VIDEO_TS folder, there are 4 VOB files...i have a menu of that i have 4 elements plus an extra...should there be 5?

Was the dvd created successfully? Else, how do you merge vob's?

thx!

-mike

[malfunct]

I've read most of this thread (skimmed some of the little arguments) so I don't think this has been asked before.

Is there a way (including writing batch files and using the command line) that would allow me to mux a VOB with the LPCM(wav) audio instead of the layer II audio or the dolby digital. I have an extremely picky dvd player that won't play layer II audio (video played perfectly but the audio was silent) and when I tried the dolby digital option from the menu the resulting dvd played with sound but would freeze up after about 3 or 4 seconds of playing, if I skipped to a new chapter the same thing happened.

Anyways, I wanted to try creating a dvd using the LPCM (which is one of the standard audio formats for NTSC dvd's) and see if it behaved better in my machine. I know I could do this though other tools but if there is a way to use tytool to do it, I would be much happier.

Thank you guys. This is an incredible tool and it makes creation of dvd's from Tivo content very easy and fast. JDiner you did great work.

[cagey]

I have made several dvds without menus that play automatically when put in the dvd player. I have done this for my kids so I don't have to do anything for them. I have been using dvdshrink to re-author just the movie portion of the dvd. It has worked wonders for me and thought I would pass it on.

Hope this helps.

[Toddler]

Someone tell me how to figure that out for a non-standard FS drive like that and I will be happy to do so,

--jdiner
Josh, you could make it very simple. Just like specifying the IP address, let the user specify the total available drive space. Then subtract the total in Now Showing from the total available and display that somewhere at the top of TyTool. Or even simpler, just provide the total space used by all items in the Now Showing list and let us do the math. Even something that basic would be a big help.

[jbc]

Is there a way (including writing batch files and using the command line) that would allow me to mux a VOB with the LPCM(wav) audio instead of the layer II audio or the dolby digital. I have an extremely picky dvd player that won't play layer II audio (video played perfectly but the audio was silent)

Have you gone into your DVD player's setup and switched audio from bitstream output to PCM? I know older Toshiba players had a problem with not being able to get the mpeg audio out as a bitstream. If you had the player send out PCM it would work. You can still use the optical out, but not bitstream. Give that a shot, it's a pain to switch back and forth. I ended up converting all audio to DD 2/0 but that's not a fun process...

I took the expensive route and got a new player.

[jbc]

I have made several dvds without menus that play automatically when put in the dvd player. I have done this for my kids so I don't have to do anything for them. I have been using dvdshrink to re-author just the movie portion of the dvd. It has worked wonders for me and thought I would pass it on.

Hope this helps.

Are you talking about from within TyTools? Or authoring a DVD from scratch? I'm hoping you have a method for with-in TyTools without editing the IFO file by hand... :)

[FredThompson]

Or even simpler, just provide the total space used by all items in the Now Showing list and let us do the math. Even something that basic would be a big help.That's a GREAT idea.

[jdiner]

Are you talking about from within TyTools? Or authoring a DVD from scratch? I'm hoping you have a method for with-in TyTools without editing the IFO file by hand... :)
This is actually pretty easy to do with the output from TyTool. It won't do it directly in the version you all have but it can be used to do 99% of the work.

Search this very thread. I explained it one before to someone else who wanted things for their kids with no menus.

--jdiner

[jbc]

This is actually pretty easy to do with the output from TyTool. It won't do it directly in the version you all have but it can be used to do 99% of the work.

Search this very thread. I explained it one before to someone else who wanted things for their kids with no menus.

--jdiner

Josh, I'll look for that, but with 1150+ posts... needle in haystack comes to mind.

If I find the post, I'll start a new thread with you info, if that's cool with you.

I suspect I could just edit the ifo to play the other vob to the job done, but I haven't even looked into it.

[jdiner]

Josh, I'll look for that, but with 1150+ posts... needle in haystack comes to mind.

If I find the post, I'll start a new thread with you info, if that's cool with you.

I suspect I could just edit the ifo to play the other vob to the job done, but I haven't even looked into it.
Make it much simpler. Search for posts that were made with me as the sender. There will still probably be 100 or so in here, but it will make it much easier to find.

--jdiner

[malfunct]

You can still use the optical out, but not bitstream. Give that a shot, it's a pain to switch back and forth. I ended up converting all audio to DD 2/0 but that's not a fun process...


That was the problem, I don't know why I didn't think of it before, bitstream sends the raw audio stream out the digital output and leaves it up to the reciever to decode it, my reciever can only decode dolby digital and PCM so when it got an mpeg layer II audio it just decided not to try. Thank you for the suggestion.

[bato]

0.6.8: December 14, 2003
allow xoffset and yoffset in spu tags
support multiple menu languages
support mpeg-1 video
support incorrect frame rates
fix/allow open GOP's on cell boundaries if sequential playback
fix bug in analyzing video codes (spurious sequence end codes)
add proper scanning of ac3 and pcm audio stream details
add support for NTSC closed captioning
support 96khz audio
support holes in video (aka audio cd's)
make subtitle placement dependent on pack dts, not video pts
add spuunmux; properly handle menu button colors

Now that dvdauthor can handle NTSC CC anyone know how to keep the CC?

[jdiner]

Now that dvdauthor can handle NTSC CC anyone know how to keep the CC?
Yes. :)

--jdiner

[FredThompson]

Does it now support line 21 and bitmaps? If line 21, is there a way to embed a font? What format would be used?

I'll gladly convert some fun fonts like dripping blood, 60s computer, etc. if there's a way to embed them.

Likewise, as I've mentioned in another thread, would love to have black rectangles to overlay scrolling news in Fox News, CNN, etc. source.

[bato]

Yes. :)

--jdiner
I hope that means that it's in your to do list ;)

[bato]

Does it now support line 21 and bitmaps? If line 21, is there a way to embed a font? What format would be used?
I think this is line 21, or normal CC that is handle by your TV set. Bitmaps AFAIK is DVD subtitle(?) and you can have more than 1 in a DVD.

[FredThompson]

I think this is line 21, or normal CC that is handle by your TV set. Bitmaps AFAIK is DVD subtitle(?) and you can have more than 1 in a DVD.Did you see that in release notes/docs or are you guessing?

[jdiner]

Well boys and girls. After spending a greal deal more time working things over I am not sure I am going to be able to make a perfect FAE work. The oddities in the MPEG-2 stream from DTV are enough that I can't garantee things that must be know for it to happen.

This is frustrating. Very frustrating.

--jdiner

[bato]

Did you see that in release notes/docs or are you guessing?
I'm guessing of course, but Close Caption is decoded by the TV set and Subtitles are an option in the DVD itself and nothing to do with the TV set.

[bato]

...I am not sure I am going to be able to make a perfect FAE work...
not perfect is better than GOP for me.

[jbc]

Make it much simpler. Search for posts that were made with me as the sender. There will still probably be 100 or so in here, but it will make it much easier to find.

--jdiner


Searched what I belileve is your last 500 posts and still nothing. There was something about modifying the menu creation in the batch file, but the only way I could see that as useful is if I could put the entire VTS into there, but that didn't sound likely.

So, I used my standard template VIDEO_TS files for auto play. Just replaced the generated with what I created. It worked.

Details and files here:
http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?t=30817

[jbc]

Did you see that in release notes/docs or are you guessing?


CC data is line 21 data and is decoded by the set. The thing about the data is that it's encoded in the mpeg stream. Line 21 gets compressed just like every other line in the NTSC frame, and you don't want that data to get compressed. So they embed it in the mpeg stream and the mpeg decoder would have to extract that data from the mpeg stream. This data would then get passed to a another part (a NTSC encoder) to put the data back into the signal for TV output. The CC data is in the ty file, it's listed in the ty descriptor these guys have documented, so I can only suspect it's there. Some decoders can deal with this embedded data, others can't.

Subtitles are a whole differet beast all together, I don't think they are part of MPEG... just an addition for DVD. I could be wrong on this.

[jbc]

not perfect is better than GOP for me.
From just scanning through Josh's last 500 posts I see a common feeling (aside from he's tired and people keep pissing him off) he's a mpeg perfectionist (mpegphile?). I think this is a good thing for your tool author. (I'm one too) You may not care if your mpegs lose sync, glitch or whatever, but I sure do.

I'm all for FAE, but not at the expense of the sync.

Josh, what happened?

[bato]

You may not care if your mpegs lose sync, glitch or whatever, but I sure do.
jdiner said he can't produce a perfect FAE solution, never said anything about sync, glitch or whatever, my comment was refering that knowing jdiner, this "not so perfect FAE" is much better than GOP editing. I guess he