TyTool Alpha #8r3, VSplit beta #3.41, DVD output...

[Fugg]

...I like TyTool and everyone else seems to hate it ...
Heay, heay now! Don't jump to conclusions! Especially one like that!
I tend to believe that just the opposite is true, and if I could do fae with Tytool I wouldn't use anything else!!!!! In it's current version, it does what no other tool can! Hate it!?? BAH!!

:)

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left out some punctuation.

[jdiner]

Heay, heay now! Don't jump to conclusions! Especially one like that!
I tend to believe that just the opposite is true, and if I could do fae with Tytool I wouldn't use anything else!!!!! In it's current version, it does what no other tool can! Hate it! BAH!!

Oh I just meant the GUI layout of TyTool. No one but me seems to like it at all.

--jdiner

[ronnythunder]

aw, come on josh, you have a *legion* of tytool fans! :)

ronny

[eastwind]

EDIT: never mind

[jdiner]

Before anyone gets too concerned. I am extremely frustrated right now. The issue with the DTV streams is driving me nuts etc...

My comment about the interface was supposed to be somewhat tongue-in-cheek. I have just gotten another round of comments on it via PMs, emails, etc..

It was supposed to be good for a chuckle and nothing more.

--jdiner

[FredThompson]

I think I'm getting a rate of about .35M/Sec. My computer is a Compaq Presario wi 1/2G of memory; 2.4MGz Celeron processor & XP Home Edition SP1. I've got a Philips Tivo Model 1 with a 100-BaseT turbonet kit from 9Tee. The machines are connected on a 100MHz network.

What other info would be helpful?how did you hack the tivo? is it xtremed, manually done, what? Usually, problems like yours are installation issues. I don't know if there are XP gotchas, I'm running Win2K. My strong suggestion to you is to pull the stuff you absolutely need then rebuild.

[jdiner]

how did you hack the tivo? is it xtremed, manually done, what? Usually, problems like yours are installation issues. I don't know if there are XP gotchas, I'm running Win2K. My strong suggestion to you is to pull the stuff you absolutely need then rebuild.
Along with the above. Also try the single socket networking option. Rather than the double socket. For some XP users this has made a major difference.

--jdiner

[mikey]

I think I'm getting a rate of about .35M/Sec. My computer is a Compaq Presario wi 1/2G of memory; 2.4MGz Celeron processor & XP Home Edition SP1. I've got a Philips Tivo Model 1 with a 100-BaseT turbonet kit from 9Tee. The machines are connected on a 100MHz network.

What other info would be helpful?

have you turned off ideturbo for a non quantum drive and set the hdparms yet? I get 1.5-2.0M/S with turbonet and 3.0-3.5M/S with the cachecard :)

Mikey

[scifiguy]

how did you hack the tivo? is it xtremed, manually done, what? Usually, problems like yours are installation issues. I don't know if there are XP gotchas, I'm running Win2K. My strong suggestion to you is to pull the stuff you absolutely need then rebuild.

I went the manual route (I guess that's whatcha call it) using the Tiger’s Mfs Tools 2.0. Except for what I'm doing now, things have worked really well - including the quadrupling of the recording space, running of the TiVo Web Project [TCL - v1.9.4], Telnet & FTP, etc. I am using the double socket method though - so I'll try switching over to single. If all else fails, I can also run this on W2K.

[flashfreaker]

get a new DVD player - I too havea DVP S7700, sits collecting dust in the basement. replaced by a sony 715 --- much cheaper and plays everything. the 7700 is a bit back in the evolution of DVD-R compatible players. Trust me it's the Player NOT tytool, I have authored over 400 DVD-R(s) NONE play (from TiVo extraction) on my Sony S7700 - all play on OTHER players.

But I have had success making playable DVD-Rs on my S7700 *if* I reencode m2v files split from ty files. Is that my only option, to reencode the streams? I surely hope not. Do you think SVCD2DVD would help at all?

-Robert

[FredThompson]

But I have had success making playable DVD-Rs on my S7700 *if* I reencode m2v files split from ty files. Is that my only option, to reencode the streams? I surely hope not. Do you think SVCD2DVD would help at all?

-RobertAs stated, your other option is to get a modern player. They're typically less than $50.

SVCD2DVD might fake out the player but don't expect it to work.

[Hi8]

But I have had success making playable DVD-Rs on my S7700 *if* I reencode m2v files split from ty files. Is that my only option, to reencode the streams? I surely hope not. Do you think SVCD2DVD would help at all?

-Robert


that is correct; that's why I mentioned tivo extracted authored discs. It's the Non-Standard 480x480 that it doesn't like. That is the replicated image you see when playing on the 7700. If you like it so much perhaps you may want to get a good deal on another one? (just kidding) It is a VERY nice player; even though I never use it anymore.

re-encoding = time killer. cheap player (still sony = :D )

[FredThompson]

It is going to be at least that long. I have made no progress at figuring out how to determine what is really going on. With that being the case I am not closer. Infact having found yet more issues I would honestly say I am further away.

The one and only problem remaining is the I-Frame corruption issue. But to say it is a major problem is a massive understatement.

--jdinerDo you plan to allow FAE of already-created MPEG files or will ty be required?

[jdiner]

Do you plan to allow FAE of already-created MPEG files or will ty be required?
Outside of a few remaining issues with mpeg-2 files on import the type of source is unimportant. It gets put into the same pipeline. That will remain the same.

--jdiner

[Zak0]

I know someone else here said they were going to yank the New Year's MythBusters marathon... I'm having trouble with several of the .ty files giving me "WARNING: Found a video skip that is > 3 @ xxx" where xxx appears to be any random number - seen them as small as 5 and as large as 798. This happens both when generating a key file and when running vsplit (the keyfile still gets generated, but vsplit crashes after several of these). Not all of the episodes did this (in fact, I managed to make one working DVD), but enough of them to annoy me. :)

I'm using TyTools 8r4p1 on a S1 DirecTivo and WinXP Pro on the desktop in case it matters.

Did anyone else have this problem with today's MythBusters marathon and/or does anyone know what I can do with these .ty files?

-Zak

[jdiner]

I know someone else here said they were going to yank the New Year's MythBusters marathon... I'm having trouble with several of the .ty files giving me "WARNING: Found a video skip that is > 3 @ xxx" where xxx appears to be any random number - seen them as small as 5 and as large as 798. This happens both when generating a key file and when running vsplit (the keyfile still gets generated, but vsplit crashes after several of these). Not all of the episodes did this (in fact, I managed to make one working DVD), but enough of them to annoy me. :)

I'm using TyTools 8r4p1 on a S1 DirecTivo and WinXP Pro on the desktop in case it matters.

Did anyone else have this problem with today's MythBusters marathon and/or does anyone know what I can do with these .ty files?

-Zak
Clip a segment that has say 30 chunks in it, 15 before and 15 after the problem and I will take a look at it. The only time I have seen these before is on an S2 clip. Looks like something has migrated to the S1 os releases.

Also very carefully check things on the tivo. Make sure there is no visual pops or ****s or skips when playing it on the Tivo. If there are then you have actual damage. If not then it is just more in the vein of what I was trying to fix before.

--jdiner

[jdiner]

BTW, for those that I have and probably will ask for clips I have setup a secure FTP site. So once you get a clip ready. PM me and I will pass you the new ftp information for uploading it to me.

--jdiner

[flashfreaker]

Is there a thread dedicated to discussion of the 8r4 Preview 1 release of TyTool?

-Robert

[jdiner]

Is there a thread dedicated to discussion of the 8r4 Preview 1 release of TyTool?

-Robert
No. Because you aren't supposed to be using it for anything but the testing of the new GopEditor...

edit: are should have read aren't.

--jdiner

[eastwind]

I've got a TY file that messes up the audio when I transcode it. The TY file plays fine with Windows Media Player. I can cut it and MUX it with TYTool8r3, but if I transcode the audio (I use #5 48k@192) the audio becomes broken/distorted/jumpy (not sure exactly how to describe it). If I don't transcode the audio is fine in PowerDVD. I haven't had this trouble before with any of the other DVDs I've made, and I haven't changed any of my procedures. Anyone have any ideas for how this can be fixed?

ew

[FredThompson]

Transcoding always lessens quality and increases processing time. Only do it as a last resort.

[Zak0]

Clip a segment that has say 30 chunks in it, 15 before and 15 after the problem and I will take a look at it. The only time I have seen these before is on an S2 clip. Looks like something has migrated to the S1 os releases.

Also very carefully check things on the tivo. Make sure there is no visual pops or ****s or skips when playing it on the Tivo. If there are then you have actual damage. If not then it is just more in the vein of what I was trying to fix before.

The episodes in question are no longer on the Tivo, so I don't know if they were messed up originally or not. I didn't watch the whole thing, but one file does seem to play okay using TyShow... Strangely, I can't seek within the file using TyShow (all other .ty's I've thrown at TyShow seek fine).

Don't know how to clip the segment, but would be more than happy to send it to you if you could tell me how. :)

-Zak

[gobsmack]

I have burned a good 50+ shows/games/movies to DVDs, so I thought I knew my stuff here, but....

I just realized that Dolby Digital programs will (WILL!) work with Josh's tool. I had just assumed (from long ago) that they wouldn't -- that 2 channel was all you could get. I thought that Josh had even stopped development on DD.

Call me pleasantly surprised but would someone confirm that this is the case (and I'm not just thinking/hoping I have DD on these recent burns...). I'm gonna have to start moving some titles over from the archives to dvds now...

Thanks,

Gobs

[Rowan]

[QUOTE=gobsmackCall me pleasantly surprised but would someone confirm that this is the case (and I'm not just thinking/hoping I have DD on these recent burns...). I'm gonna have to start moving some titles over from the archives to dvds now...

Thanks,

Gobs[/QUOTE]

Yes DD has been supported for some time now, I think by default the DD would have already been transferred to the output source if it was available. I think you can also transcode to DD if needed (but the channel mix is not split out correctly, all channels get the same output). When transcoding is done a little quality is lost but I have only been able to see it using by spectrum analysis tools. I would only recommend that it be used when it is really needed like when using SA Tivo and your DVD player(s) do not support 32 kHz or you want to create a SVCD or something like that.

Rowan

[jdiner]

Don't know how to clip the segment, but would be more than happy to send it to you if you could tell me how. :)

Grab the program TyFileSplit.exe from here one the forum.

Then it takes a few args:

TyFileSplit source.ty dest.ty start_chunk num_chunks

So pass in the real name of the source ty file, pass in a filename to store a copy into, the chunk to start at, and the number of chunks to copy over.

If you look at the output of TyTool when processing that file you will see the lines you mentioned. The skip values etc...

In and around these you will find a series of numbers and .'s. Each . represents 10 chunks. Each number 100 total chunks. So you get:

......... 10 ....

and so on. Find the last number and count the dots until you get to the problem that was printed. The back up about 15 chunks and grab from there for 30 total chunks. You will get a much much smaller file that can be uploaded.

--jdiner

[jdiner]

Call me pleasantly surprised but would someone confirm that this is the case (and I'm not just thinking/hoping I have DD on these recent burns...). I'm gonna have to start moving some titles over from the archives to dvds now...

Yeah it has been in there for a long time. Even without transcoding.

The problem has been a simple one. TyTool will not switch from 1 form of audio to another. And most DD shows start with the much smaller LayerII encoding.

Grab, from here on the forum, my tool called AudioCheck. It will print out what type of audio is in each section of the file. You will should get a few at the start that are LII and a few at the end with everything in the middle being something else.

Occasionally in the middle of a record you will see a 2 chunk switch back to LayerII. That is because the Audio Check program was a quick hack, seriously old, and honestly just junk for the most part.

What you need from it is just the first one. Where does the DD audio start. Junk to that check in TyTool or else use vsplit or even use TyFileSplit to make a new file of just the rest of it. Then process the files and everything will work and play well.

--jdiner

[newbie]

Yeah it has been in there for a long time. Even without transcoding.

The problem has been a simple one. TyTool will not switch from 1 form of audio to another. And most DD shows start with the much smaller LayerII encoding.

--jdiner

No idea what's involved but it might be nice to use the switch to DD to generate a cut file. Might be a good way to automatically burn the movie only.

[Zak0]

The back up about 15 chunks and grab from there for 30 total chunks. You will get a much much smaller file that can be uploaded.

Thanks, jdiner. I used this to split the file near the error and sure enough, when I try to play the split ty, there is some bigtime corruption in there. Looks like I'm not going to recover these two shows.

My wife now tells me it was raining here the day these were recorded, so it was probably standard DirecTV rainfade that got me. At least I was able to snag several of the other episodes that were on.

Does anyone else save MythBusters in .ty format by chance? Maybe I can get some of the episodes I'm missing...

-Zak

[scriabinop23]

Here's a little dilemma (i saw captain video post about the same trouble in another thread, but so no reply from jdiner about it. so here goes) [with tytool v8r3]:

I can successfully extract Curb your enthusiasm (DD 5.1, transcoding is set off to permit native stream to come thru) from my HDVR2 (series 2 directivo), but when trying to make a key, the program crashes about 50mb into the video file. The same crash happens at the same point if i try to make a .vob from the extracted file. I am in multiplex mode (downloads become mpeg2 directly), note.

Also, when I try to make a test dvd out of the resulting mpeg2 files (Which -do- play fine) and compile it with DVD lab instead [as tytool crashes even making vob files]. I get 'gop out of memory' errors in the complilation stage, which in turn results in the output vob being out of sync and video out of proper time rhythm (fast/slow motion/etc). I tried both mpeg input files in DVD lab before and after running 'GOP timecode correct' tool within DVDlab, and get the same result.

Any ideas how to get tytool to cooperate, or how to get any tools out there to get me to my end goal of burning something watchable without totally reencoding? Will this dolby digital processing problem be fixed in future releases? I tried the same thing with a copy of 8r4p1 i found, and had even less success.

I can provide the mpeg2 or ty stream if necessary for debugging.

After Edit:
PS --- I am trying a second method of instead downloading with mux mode, instead downloading in tystream mode. Then make a key, make cuts, then process into VOB and turn directly into DVD lab. This has avoided a crash on the first episode. I am still trying the others. So perhaps this is a bug/trouble with generating key and vob files from mpeg2 muxed systems that have DD 5.1 on Directivo 2s ???

[borghe]

I generally thoroughly enjoy tytool the best for extraction except for one glaring flaw.. can you put in an option to either allow to pick DD2.0 sizes or at least put in an option for 192Kbps.. your only option of 384Kbps is murder, especially considering that it only allows for 2.0 (makes sense)... but 384Kbps on 2.0 is ridiculously high.. is there a reason for this lack of option? Just curious... thanks..

[jdiner]

I generally thoroughly enjoy tytool the best for extraction except for one glaring flaw.. can you put in an option to either allow to pick DD2.0 sizes or at least put in an option for 192Kbps.. your only option of 384Kbps is murder, especially considering that it only allows for 2.0 (makes sense)... but 384Kbps on 2.0 is ridiculously high.. is there a reason for this lack of option? Just curious... thanks..
A flaw hunh? Well if you can do better then do so.

But don't pay any attention to the DVD specs, as they are the reason for 384kbps only. As that is what DVD players are required to support. I have tried other bitrates and everything else fails in different ways on different players.

I don't want the headache of explaining to each new user why it works for someone else here on the forum and not for them. So I, and the author of the transcoding code, only support the actual values in the spec.

--jdiner

[jdiner]

Here's a little dilemma (i saw captain video post about the same trouble in another thread, but so no reply from jdiner about it. so here goes) [with tytool v8r3]:

I don't have the time or the energy to keep up with every thread on here. i read only a few on any regular basis and only on occasion check out whatever else has been written here.


I am in multiplex mode (downloads become mpeg2 directly), note.

No no no no no!!! I added that a long long time ago. And I have written here what feels like a hundred times that that is the WORST possible way to do things. The mpeg-2 import code in TyTool is rudimentary at best. I was designed to allowing fixes of some of the early bad IFO/DVDs that were generated. To that end it hasn't seen much more than early stage development with occasional fixes to try and hammer things out. There are a number of known bugs in it.

You download in TyStream format. Then you get the splitting engine that has been over 2 years in development. Instead of an mpeg parser that took a good 5 hours to write.


PS --- I am trying a second method of instead downloading with mux mode, instead downloading in tystream mode. Then make a key, make cuts, then process into VOB and turn directly into DVD lab. This has avoided a crash on the first episode. I am still trying the others. So perhaps this is a bug/trouble with generating key and vob files from mpeg2 muxed systems that have DD 5.1 on Directivo 2s ???
Like I just said, don't download in MPEG mode unless there is not going to be any further processing.

--jdiner

[scriabinop23]

You download in TyStream format. Then you get the splitting engine that has been over 2 years in development. Instead of an mpeg parser that took a good 5 hours to write.


Like I just said, don't download in MPEG mode unless there is not going to be any further processing.

--jdiner


Thanks, and of course it works perfectly. This is really such a great app. where do we donate to the cause? :)

[wkozun]

Josh - great job on TyTools - it is a FANTASTIC piece of software that can do an amazing amount of things. I am just getting into making DVDs and I am amazed that TyTools does everything.

This isn't meant as criticism, but does 8r4p1 properly import longer tmf files? (I saw in a previous post that this was broken in 8r3) When I try to generate a key file it is too small and when I try to run GOPeditor it just dies.

Keep up the great work.

p.s. Do you take donations?

[FredThompson]

This isn't meant as criticism, but does 8r4p1 properly import longer tmf files? (I saw in a previous post that this was broken in 8r3) When I try to generate a key file it is too small and when I try to run GOPeditor it just dies.Isn't that the FAE editor preview which was supposed to only be used for testing the editor functions? Perhaps you should fall back.

[wkozun]

Isn't that the FAE editor preview which was supposed to only be used for testing the editor functions? Perhaps you should fall back.

Yes, that is correct but the tmf stuff didn't work in 8r3 (at least not for larger files) and Josh mentioned that he will get it working in the next release so I figured "what the heck" and gave it a try.

The reason I tried this is that since tmf files are easier to reinsert it makes more sense to download tmf files, plus mfs_ftp is about 20-30% faster than TyTools and transferring files from Tivo to PC.

[bato]

Thanks, and of course it works perfectly. This is really such a great app. where do we donate to the cause? :)
I guess this post (http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showpost.php?p=121497&postcount=831) is still valid.

[jdiner]

This isn't meant as criticism, but does 8r4p1 properly import longer tmf files? (I saw in a previous post that this was broken in 8r3) When I try to generate a key file it is too small and when I try to run GOPeditor it just dies.

No. I didn't realize when I wrote the importer that every 512meg or so was going to be in another internal file inside of the TMF file. A few simple changes are needed to work on it. But I don't have a large enough file. I don't have mfs_ftp installed. And to be honest I have been busy elsewhere in the todo list.

I need to get to it. There are a bunch of things I need to get too. But I have been focusing on the FAE to the exclusion of everything else and I am honestly not sure what I want to work on at the moment. Much of the FAE stuff has exploded in complexity.

--jdiner

[zeddock]

I have successfully installed V8r4 of TyTools. BTW, thanx for making this available, jdiner.

It is installed on my HDVR2 via the Sleeper ISO hack.... and by me copying over the 3 files in usr/tytools (that were created with the sleeper iso) with the newer versions of the files.

I had to do a mount command and a CHMOD command to accomplish the replacements. (The info for those is on these boards in other ares.)

I have already successfully created a VideoCD by using instructions found here and by just playing around. But I have a few questions:

A. Can extraction to DVD be even more simple? I ask because I am usually away and my wife wants to burn some DVD's of shows for me while I travel. I can muddle through the creation, but the many different steps make it difficult for her to do, and she really does not want to learn all of the stuff. She is like many... give me a button!<laughs>

B. I am a noob on this stuff, so I will ask here if there is a simple way for me to 'adjust' my hacked machine (keep in mind that the hack is a sleeper iso) so that tserver runs in the background all of the time? Or Could I have a bat file to do the telnet and run the executable?

C. Is there already a good step-by-step on this? I have looked at about 10 of them so far. I understand some of them, but I have not found a simple one, yet.


Any suggestions would be helpful. And thanx, again, for everyone who offers all of this help, here.

-Zeddock

[mtntrx]

First off, GREAT TOOL! I have been quietly using it for many months. Can't say enough great things. I continue to be totally amazed at everything it does. But, why post just to say that :)

Like some others, I've been using the mpgs for viewing on the "Gateway Connected DVD". The video is near perfect, but one hitch remains for me. I was hoping someone with real knowledge of all this might have a clue why this is happening.


While viewing mpg streams on the "connected DVD" it appears impossible to seek (Fast forward) past 20-25% of the stream. It is like the windows based mpg server software thinks the end of the stream is 4X sooner than it is. Still, it WILL play the whole mpg file. But, if you tap that FF key it goes all the way back to the 20% point. Bummer.

Anyway, I have tried this 5 times with 5 mpgs made like this:
Dtivo1 -> tytool8r3 -> .ty -> make_key -> edit_key -> mux -> mpg

All mpgs extracted this way have the problem. mpgs from other sources work fine. The issue appears unique to dtivo extracts, and has been repeated by others. Ofcourse playing the mpg with WinDVD on the pc doesn't show the same issue.

I have tried all the "dumb" ideas I could: cut commercials, don't cut, etc...

I AM aware of the other methods folks are using to view ty->mpgs. Maybe I will end up using one of those instead. For now, I was just hoping someone might share some insight.

[snoopy]

Can extraction to DVD be even more simple? I ask because I am usually away and my wife wants to burn some DVD's of shows for me while I travel. I can muddle through the creation, but the many different steps make it difficult for her to do, and she really does not want to learn all of the stuff. She is like many... give me a button!<laughs>... Could I have a bat file to do the telnet and run the executable?-ZeddockThere are some docs on making the tserver start automatically. I really should gather them, edit, and put them in my Where are the files thread (link is in my signature file). As for batch files, I know there are some people thinking about batch files too but I don't think anyone is actively working on it since Josh started working hard on the next version. I am sure something will come up eventually. My gf and family are in the same situation. They need it to be simple and they would even like to be able to do it themselves. I can't walk her through each one. I have too many other things to do during the day. I think what you are looking for will eventually happen but currently, nobody I know of is actually working on a batch file. I just started a "batch file" thread entitled "making dvd even easer (http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?p=138184#post138184post138184)" in anticipation of this so go there to respond to this. Personally it is easy enough, as it is for "me", but I agree with you. Let's end this conversation as far as this thread goes though and pick it up over there. I'll end with saying, I think Josh has done a fantastic job!

[mtntrx]

B. I am a noob on this stuff, so I will ask here if there is a simple way for me to 'adjust' my hacked machine (keep in mind that the hack is a sleeper iso) so that tserver runs in the background all of the time? Or Could I have a bat file to do the telnet and run the executable?


I'm sure there are 100 better ways, but here is what I do.
telnet <your_machine>
cd /var/hack (where ever tserver is)
./tserver_mfs7 > tserver.out 2> tserver.err &
exit

This runs tserver_mfs7 and dumps the output to two files in case something goes wrong. tserver should now run until the next reboot.
There are better ways, but this is simple.

[borghe]

ok, I am still new to this but have made great progress.. first I shouldn't have said lack of DD2.0 at lower bitrates was a flaw... I wasn't aware that lower bitrates than 384Kbps wasn't in the spec.. every single DD2.0 DVD I have seen has it at 192Kbps or 224Kbps so I thought for sure those were spec.. sorry..

however, the point is moot as I was glad to find out both of my DVD players easily support MPEG audio... the first time I must have done something wrong (transcoded the audio?) and the MPEG stream would only work in my bedroom DVD player, Media Player and PowerDVD (not the living room or WinDVD).. as soon as I stopped transcoding the audio and left it native all the way through both of the living room and WinDVD players.

my last question, I swer.. :P Is there a guide around here for using GOPEditor? What seems to be the best way for some of you to get your cuts as close to the actual cut point as possible? Thanks.

[didjit]

my last question, I swer.. :P Is there a guide around here for using GOPEditor? What seems to be the best way for some of you to get your cuts as close to the actual cut point as possible? Thanks.


Yes, http://themurrays.homeip.net/downloads/tivo/extraction_articles/tivo_dvd.html

[wkozun]

B. I am a noob on this stuff, so I will ask here if there is a simple way for me to 'adjust' my hacked machine (keep in mind that the hack is a sleeper iso) so that tserver runs in the background all of the time? Or Could I have a bat file to do the telnet and run the executable?

You could put the following line in your rc.sysinit.author file:

/var/hack/tytools/tserver_mfs7 -s /var/hack/tytools/NowShowing.tcl &

This will have tserver start up automatically when your TiVo boots up. You may have to edit the path if you have tserver in a different directory.

[FredThompson]

How about a pop-up window when tytool client first starts which says something about DTiVo recordings are not standard DVD-compliant MPEG2, completely read the documentation before complaining? Not exactly that, but something similar. I've been meaning to put a FAQ together. Since jdiner is getting frustrated with the same questions coming up again, think I'll get back to that project.

[snoopy]

How about a pop-up window when tytool client first starts which says something about DTiVo recordings are not standard DVD-compliant MPEG2, completely read the documentation before complaining?Something like that might go a really long way!

[lmurray]

I've started a FAQ at the end of the ty->dvd how to. I'd love to add more...

I've been meaning to put a FAQ together. Since jdiner is getting frustrated with the same questions coming up again, think I'll get back to that project.


-lloyd-

[zeddock]

I've started a FAQ at the end of the ty->dvd how to. I'd love to add more...




-lloyd-
Don't mean to be a pain, but I cannot find that "how-to". WOuld you mind posting a link?

Thanx,

zeddock

[scriabinop23]

ok.. here's another challenging question:

I want to merge two vob's into one larger vob file before I author and burn them. Basically, my HBO screwed up with precise scheduling, and the tail 2 or 3 minutes of some of my shows are in seperate recordings from the beginning of the show. I've used GOPeditor, and vob muxing in tytools to create the final showpart1.vob and showpart2.vob files.

The problem is that tytools dvd author has some issues with titles. I would like to be able to make it so after title1 is playing, title2 will start playing --- instead the dvd is exit in both of my players after any title plays. I've tried editing the '-i post=vtsm' variable [and then re-running the batch after edits of course] in the make batch (which runs dvdauthor) created by tytools to many different options and can't get it to do the behavior I am looking for.

So until I have some better dvd author solution (dvdlab doesn't create compliant dvds that nero accepts with the vobs that come from tytools), I need to merge these vob files. I've tried 'vobmerge' and some other programs out there, but they don't correct time code issues. Basically, the clock to the outputted files is all messed up. Tmpgenc doesn't do it right -- it misses the audio streams [probably because they are ac3 streams].

Any ideas?

[FredThompson]

tytool's function to add a second VOB didn't work?

[scriabinop23]

tytool's function to add a second VOB didn't work?

wow. I missed the obvious option. :) I never even noticed it, especially since the function doesn't have an entry box in the main 'make menu'. It is in the menus.

thats why i post here --- its so rewarding !! Thanks.

[jdiner]

While viewing mpg streams on the "connected DVD" it appears impossible to seek (Fast forward) past 20-25% of the stream. It is like the windows based mpg server software thinks the end of the stream is 4X sooner than it is. Still, it WILL play the whole mpg file. But, if you tap that FF key it goes all the way back to the 20% point. Bummer.

Anyway, I have tried this 5 times with 5 mpgs made like this:
Dtivo1 -> tytool8r3 -> .ty -> make_key -> edit_key -> mux -> mpg

Try making it a VOB instead of an MPEG. (NOTE: If you don't understand the differences then please search here. They have been laid out several times...)

Rename the resulting file to .mpg and try playing it again. The nature of the file that has been output is quite difference between the 2 modes. Eventually they will be fixed/upgraded and merged back into 1 format style.

I don't know if it will be any better but the VOB is closer to what things seem to expect to see versus the MPG generation code itself.

--jdiner

[jdiner]

ok, I am still new to this but have made great progress.. first I shouldn't have said lack of DD2.0 at lower bitrates was a flaw... I wasn't aware that lower bitrates than 384Kbps wasn't in the spec.. every single DD2.0 DVD I have seen has it at 192Kbps or 224Kbps so I thought for sure those were spec.. sorry..

I dunno. The problem with dvd "specs" is that you have to buy them, they are extremely costly ($10k - $20k per "book"). And they stamp each and every page with the code for the company that bought it. So no one releases them or you loose your liscence and your money. However, everything I have seen indicates that things are spec'ed for only 384. Now keep in mind that only a few companies make the AC3 decoder chips. (I didn't look hard but I found chip docs for only 3 makers.) Since they are for much more varied applications that just DVD players I don't doubt that more is support in various ways.

I have the following DVD players here for testing:
1- Panasonic S35 - My absolute favorite. Plays things wonderfully. Apparently in the last few weeks they are no longer being manufactured.

2- JVC XV-N40 - Much cheaper. My second favorite. Wonderfull output quality. Menus have major issues. There is no color output on the menu for what is being selected. Not a major thing in my eyes but many can't stand that.

3- Mintek 1600 - Cheap cheap cheap. I got mine for $35. But works well. Plays all 4 types of DVD media (+R/RW & -R/RW) without issue. Menus work etc.. But the color correction is either weak or not happening like the first 2.

4- Sony 425 - I have yet to get this one out of the box. I got it to fix the VOB output compatibility issues but I haven't gotten to them either.

5- APEX AD-600A - My oldest DVD player that is still in use. Down in the living room. Seems like it will play almost anything. But being that forgiving has problems of its own.

Now back to my comment on DD. I made some disks that were 192, I never did try 224... I had failures on all but 1 of them in some way. The S35 played it all. But it also plays LayerII audio at 32kbps, where the spec for DVD LII audio is 48. So I was not to surprised by that.

The JVC played it with occasionally freezes in the out. The Mintek on occasion put out about 32ms of audio and then nothing...

I didn't even both with the APEX.

Personally I care much more about video clarity and sync than I do about dolby output. One of the main reasons is simply space. I have said all of this before but here goes again...

DTivo LayerII audio is standardly 480 bytes for 24ms of audio playback. For DD from the same machine it is 1582 bytes for 32ms. So for 1 second of LII playback you need 41.667 audio records or 20,000.16 bytes. For 1 second of DD audio you need 31.25 audio records or 49,437.5 bytes. Which means 2.96 meg/minute and 266,962,500 meg for a 90 minute movie.

Compare that to 108,000,864 meg for a 90 minue layerII show. Since what I want is the most possible shows on 1 disk, at the fast possible processing time you can see why I pick what I do.

Now my way is not right for everyone. There are those for whom sound is as important or perhaps even more so... For those people there is what DD support there is, and even more to come.


my last question, I swer.. :P Is there a guide around here for using GOPEditor? What seems to be the best way for some of you to get your cuts as close to the actual cut point as possible? Thanks.
Ummm. Most of the "guide" to it was in the release notes and things came out. Search for posts written by me with the world Release and or announcement in the title.

Other than that, specifically search post wise for things with GopEditor that were written by me. But there are going to be a ton more of those.

--jdiner

[FredThompson]

There will be a fully indexed "unofficial" reference and user's guide in the near future. OK? It's coming.

[mtntrx]

Try making it a VOB instead of an MPEG. (NOTE: If you don't understand the differences then please search here. They have been laid out several times...)
--jdiner

Thanks a ton for responding. I should have mentioned that I tried using the VOB earlier. I assume you mean tytool -> .ty -> make_key -> edit_key -> VOB_mux -> rename .vob to .mpg. When I did this I can FF and RW fine, but the picture freezes a lot.

I understand that the mpeg generated is not DVD-standard. I just had to ask for some ideas since the streaming is soooooo close to completely working. Still, all my DVDs have come out great. You've provided a sweet piece of software that works GREAT when used as intended:) Thanks again.

If any others ideas pop to mind, I'll be all ears :)

[FredThompson]

Use a different player for the files. PowerDVD works fine for Windows.

[jdiner]

If any others ideas pop to mind, I'll be all ears :)
Sure. Send me the box and I will figure out what is wrong... :)

--jdiner

[jmhenry5150]

jdiner...

I am a web developer and would love to give back a little...I know there is a current TyTool website dedicated to template files, etc - and that you are having alot of problems with it...

I would be very willing to put a website together to handle:
- Releases
- Templates
- Screen Captures
- Documentation
- heck - mabye our very own forum?
- Anything else

Anyways, lemme know!

[scriabinop23]

I have the following DVD players here for testing:

2- JVC XV-N40 - Much cheaper. My second favorite. Wonderfull output quality. Menus have major issues. There is no color output on the menu for what is being selected. Not a major thing in my eyes but many can't stand that.
--jdiner

By the way, let me just tell you I have the same problem with the JVC RX-DV3SL with the menus. Maybe its a JVC only thing. But isn't this more a problem with the dvdauthor program than yours? But it does play my Curb your enthusiasm DD5.1 episodes great once you get past the menu bug.

[jdiner]

jdiner...

I am a web developer and would love to give back a little...I know there is a current TyTool website dedicated to template files, etc - and that you are having alot of problems with it...

I would be very willing to put a website together to handle:
- Releases
- Templates
- Screen Captures
- Documentation
- heck - mabye our very own forum?
- Anything else

Anyways, lemme know!
Oh man. If you could and would that would be seriously great. Seriously.

pm me and lets take the discussion of things to email.

--jdiner

[jdiner]

By the way, let me just tell you I have the same problem with the JVC RX-DV3SL with the menus. Maybe its a JVC only thing. But isn't this more a problem with the dvdauthor program than yours? But it does play my Curb your enthusiasm DD5.1 episodes great once you get past the menu bug.
Yeah. That is exactly where the bug is. But that is OK. It means that it might eventually get fixed without me have to do anything directly about it. I have no idea what the problem actually is, but hey... Hopefully the author of that tool does.

--jdiner

[jdiner]

Well. I figured it out... With a ton of work and some serious sounding board help from jbc here on the forum I finally understand what the DTV mpeg-2 stream was doing.

Not saying it is 100% right, either my take on it or what DTV is actually doing, but I can now see what is going on and even pretty much understand it.

As a result FAE is moving forward again. Man alive, for awhile there I was thinking this one just might kick my butt. Given what I have seen the remaing hard part is done. I have to give kudos for a few rather clever developers at DTV. They found and managed to use some serious loopholes in things to help their specific process out.

The good news is that the code I current have is good for about 80% of what needed to be there in the end. The bad news the remaining 20% is going to just be plain tedious to write. Catching corner cases etc... :(

--jdiner

[ronnythunder]

awesome news, josh! glad you cleared the mental logjam; i know the feeling!

ronny

[onelostsoul]

...

The good news is that the code I current have is good for about 80% of what needed to be there in the end. The bad news the remaining 20% is going to just be plain tedious to write. Catching corner cases etc... :(

--jdiner

You just have to keep plugging! For some problems, I've found that walking away for an hour, day, week, etc. will sometimes reveal the solution to me as if it were a bolt of lightning! :D I'm sure everyone is happy that you see light at the end of the tunnel, since it was looking pretty grim for a few days there. :)

[jbc]

The good news is that the code I current have is good for about 80% of what needed to be there in the end. The bad news the remaining 20% is going to just be plain tedious to write. Catching corner cases etc... :(

--jdiner

That's what they say... 90% of the project takes 10% of the time, it's that last 10% that takes 90% of the time. This problem has taken up more than its fair share of your time.

I'm glad the latest developments look promising! (I'm not trying to jinx you)

I'm also happy I wasn't a too much of a distraction and was more than willing to be someone to bounce ideas off. I'll be away form the PC for the next week or so, I'll try to check in on how it's going. But, I'm hoping for the best!



To he who was looking at the DVD/MPEG docs.... If you don't absolutely need to read those docs, avoid them at all costs. You'll find they lead to more questions than answers... right josh? =)


I'm pretty sure DD 2.0 can legally go way below 384kbps. That's a lot of bits to waste for stereo.

[keith721]

Well. I figured it out... With a ton of work and some serious sounding board help from jbc here on the forum I finally understand what the DTV mpeg-2 stream was doing. . . . I have to give kudos for a few rather clever developers at DTV. They found and managed to use some serious loopholes in things to help their specific process out.

Just wondering if this has any connection with that VFR alternating frame count thing that you and Olaf dealt with, last year? ;)

On the other hand, it's really nice to hear :D that you achieved a better understanding of some of these DTV data stream idiosyncrasies. It's hard to believe that the DTV DSS system is almost ten years old, considering the magnitude of x86 hardware and software advancement we've seen over that same time.

[jdiner]

Just wondering if this has any connection with that VFR alternating frame count thing that you and Olaf dealt with, last year? ;)

It is without question tied to that. But not really the same thing. Last year we were trying to figure out what frame rame was in use since it didn't seem to line up. That is all at the mux-level and a dipping a toe into the video ES level.

What I have been working on now is seriously knee-deep in the video ES. We have to go down way past the frames themselves to figure out what is going on, properly decode the entire thing and get the pieces back in a fashion that can be used.

So I like I said tied to it, but only barely. :)

--jdiner

[hancocks]

Never tried it before, that's why...

I can make the .bmp in the GOPEditor (and save it), no problem...(altho' the pick for "save menu .BMP" is greyed out!). Then, in the IFO creation window, I have no active window for the background .BMP...it's all grey.

All help appreciated,

- Stu

[gfb107]

Never tried it before, that's why...

I can make the .bmp in the GOPEditor (and save it), no problem...(altho' the pick for "save menu .BMP" is greyed out!). Then, in the IFO creation window, I have no active window for the background .BMP...it's all grey.

All help appreciated,

- Stu
Try Edit -> Load Background Bitmap

[jdiner]

Never tried it before, that's why...

I can make the .bmp in the GOPEditor (and save it), no problem...(altho' the pick for "save menu .BMP" is greyed out!). Then, in the IFO creation window, I have no active window for the background .BMP...it's all grey.

Save does exactly that. Save a BMP to disk for later use/processing. It doesn't "use" it for a menu.

If you do as suggested and load the BMP you can set it as the background for a menu.

However, most people are using either 352x480 or 480x480 in their streams. The 480 is forced by the DTIVO and not selectable. The 352 is a common option on the SATivo because it is a valid DVD resolution without any convertion or resizing needing to be done on it.

The menu images MUST BE 720x480 right now. It should warn and fail in trying to load a BMP that is not at this resolution but I am not sure if I ever finished that level of error checking in the code.

If you have the wrong resolution it must be resized or in some other way altered/converted to 720. I.e. offset and filled w/black something like that.

--jdiner

[Zak0]

Try Edit -> Load Background Bitmap

I'm definitely not wanting to put a bunch of work to jdiner's plate, but if it isn't too much trouble - it would be nice if we had a [...] button or something there to click instead of having to go to the menu. Certainly not a high priority item, but if it could get on the TODO list it would be kind of nice... :)

-Zak

[FredThompson]

OK, here's the scoop, I've got a ton of stored recordings which I've not burned as I was anticipating the FAE release. All are mono or stereo, most have ads. I'd like to use GOPEditor to cut out most of the unwanted portions, split multiplex, and burn the results to CDR. (CDRs are pretty darn close to free it you shop for rebates and I've got a few hundred sitting here so it's economical...for me and others in this situation.) In most cases, this would mean a 30-60 minute source would fit on a single 700M disc (or 800 if it must be burned as SVCD due to source space.)

However, when the FAE editor is released, I'd like to pull those split files in, do FAE cuts and produce a single VOB set for each.

I recognize the DVD editor allows concatentating a single additional VOB but that is a different scenario.

I'm concerned tools like Camel's MPEGJoin might screw the whole stream up and there's a benefit to seeing where one segment ends and another begins, that would make it easy to find the remaining partial "unwanted" sections to be deleted.

Will it be possible to load a set of multiplexed MPEGs into the FAE with the output being one file?

Are there holes in this idea of mine?

[jdiner]

OK, here's the scoop, I've got a ton of stored recordings which I've not burned as I was anticipating the FAE release. All are mono or stereo, most have ads. I'd like to use GOPEditor to cut out most of the unwanted portions, split multiplex, and burn the results to CDR. (CDRs are pretty darn close to free it you shop for rebates and I've got a few hundred sitting here so it's economical...for me and others in this situation.)

Be careful on doing this. Right now the GopEditor which allows for the FAE portion will only find such portions inside of a TyStream. It won't be that difficult to get the MPEG reader in place but it is not present right now.

You could make it take even longer by going that route altough when all is said and done what is planned will do exactly what it is that you want...

I don't recommend processing and re-processing things. The mpeg importer that I wrote is rudimentary at best. It was built to import the VOBs I produced early on in series6, I think, of TyTool. While is sort of supports various and sundry sources I would consider it no more than 80% reliable at this point. Stay with a TyStream if at possible.

What I did to get a few things going storage wise was zip with no compression, just for easiness, a number of files. I think used a program I wrote years ago called GuiSplit (never been released but I will post it here if anyone actually wants it) that was designed to split larger files into easy pieces for ZIP disk or CD. Then I burned the pieces and parts out.

Now without cutting commercials you are going to be writing out the full streams sizewise. But you will reduce headaches and potential problems down the road.

--jdiner

[FredThompson]

ok, thanks for the reply. Guess I'll just do batch RAR to make split files using storage, not compression.

Does this mean existing multiplexed MPEG2 from tytool are to be considered risky for use as input to GOPEditor?

I'm just trying to find a way to do economical storage in an organized manner. 1 hour/CDR would be great but it requires removing something, usually.

[FredThompson]

DVDAuthor GUI: http://users.adelphia.net/~liquid64/dvdauthorgui.html

howto: http://users.adelphia.net/~liquid64/dvdauthorguiguide.html

It's just getting started so go easy on the guy. I've NOT used this yet. Just saw the site and wanted to post the URL before going to sleep.

[jdiner]

ok, thanks for the reply. Guess I'll just do batch RAR to make split files using storage, not compression.

Does this mean existing multiplexed MPEG2 from tytool are to be considered risky for use as input to GOPEditor?

No. The process that makes Key Files make them just as well from an mpeg source or a TyStream source.

The problem I mentioned is that for playing/editing a GOP in a FAE way I need the data. Which is not present in a key file. So I go back to the TyStream file for that information. The problem right now is that I didn't include the mpeg-2 reader into that calculation/sorting.

Like I had always said. The Mpeg import support is only a partial solution. I am not saying it is impossible to get working, just that it is a ways down the road.

I have always viewed MPEG as the final result, not a "preferred" middle stage. My warning continue in that same vein.

--jdiner

[onelostsoul]

If I had a bunch of programs to save, I think I'd just write them to DVD+RW disks temporarly until I needed them. Then I could erase them and process them properly.

[jdiner]

If I had a bunch of programs to save, I think I'd just write them to DVD+RW disks temporarly until I needed them. Then I could erase them and process them properly.
Yeah. I have done that a few times myself. The big problem for me and I would assume a few others here is that I have about 600gig worth on hard drives.

I gave in and bought some new ones a short time ago. a few 250s. They were expensive but way less work than what I was doing... And so to me in the end less expensive.

--jdiner

[onelostsoul]

Yep, huge hard drives also do the trick, I happen to have 50 DVD+RW disks here, so I'd use those first. Besides, my hard disks are full of MP3 files. :D:D:D

[FredThompson]

Well, I've done some looking and it turns out a lot of the 30-60 minute things are less than 700M so those go to CDR, no question. I was buying drives but now there's no more room and I'm actually swapping them out. One fo the online stores like Meritline had a specil on 50 DVDRWs a little while ago. Wish I'd jumped on that..

[jdiner]

I also have DVD-RWs. My only complaint is speed. They are 1x and so is my drive. 70+ minutes to burn just takes too much time... But hey. To each their own.

For me. I have just gone back to burning things with the original GOP cutting code and last night I cleand about 150 total gig off of my various machines.

--jdiner

[Fugg]

I also have DVD-RWs. My only complaint is speed. They are 1x and so is my drive. 70+ minutes to burn just takes too much time... But hey. To each their own.

For me. I have just gone back to burning things with the original GOP cutting code and last night I cleand about 150 total gig off of my various machines.

--jdiner

new sony dvd recorder for christmas. full rw dvd in 15min. sweet!

I also just whacked ~30gig off my machine to disk.

I must say, I'm loving preview1. Being able to see the beginning AND end of a gop makes it possible to be much more accurate now.

just too cool....:)

[rob2k1]

Just got this article from tivo.

http://www.tivo.com/5.3.1.1.asp?article=196

Robbie

[gl9500]

Just got this article from tivo.

http://www.tivo.com/5.3.1.1.asp?article=196

Robbie

Yeah, well jdiner's stuff is better and it's been around a lot longer. :-)
I see nothing in that tivo2go stuff that a few hacks today can't already do :-D

[wkozun]

It seems that Nero is the recommended software for burning DVDs made with TyTools. Where did everyone get their version of Nero? What version of Nero works best? Do you need the whole platinum, package or what pieces? Did it come with your burner? I just got a burner and it came with Roxio easy CD/DVD 6.

Does the demo download work properly?

[rob2k1]

Yeah, well jdiner's stuff is better and it's been around a lot longer. :-)
I see nothing in that tivo2go stuff that a few hacks today can't already do :-D

I don't disagree at all. Especially with series one. I don't plan on buying additonal service to move to the series two. Just thought it was interesting they are moving in this direction. Sort of, if you can't beat them join them.


Robbie

[malfunct]

It seems that Nero is the recommended software for burning DVDs made with TyTools. Where did everyone get their version of Nero? What version of Nero works best? Do you need the whole platinum, package or what pieces? Did it come with your burner? I just got a burner and it came with Roxio easy CD/DVD 6.

Does the demo download work properly?

Most people have the best luck the 5.5 version, though I use 6 and have no problem. All you need is Nero Burning ROM which is the main piece, you don't need any of the add on's like nero express, or nero vision express or any of that, just the main software piece. I don't think the 5.5 version is available new anymore so just buy Nero 6 which will give you all the nero utilities. Then ignore everything except for the Nero Burning ROM software which can be used to burn a pre-authored dvd set to dvd. Just choose to make a DVD project, drag the contents of the video_ts folder to the video_ts space on the dvd creation window and click burn.

[wkozun]

I have installed TyTools in a directory called c:\tivo\tytool8r3\ and the .exe files are all in c:\tivo\tytool8r3\tytool. When TyTool tries to run, some of the exe files such as GOPeditor, muxmenu, etc. it is looking in the folder c:\Documents and Settings\UserName where UserName is my login name on my PC. I was able to ascertain this by checking off the GUI>Do GOPeditor popup.

Is this the way it is supposed to work? How do I make it get all of the files from the c:\tivo\tytool8r3\tytool directory?

fyi I am using Win XP Home. I am running TyTool by a shortcut that is set up in the top half of the start menu that stays on the menu permanently.

[snowblind]

It seems that Nero is the recommended software for burning DVDs made with TyTools. Where did everyone get their version of Nero? What version of Nero works best? Do you need the whole platinum, package or what pieces? Did it come with your burner? I just got a burner and it came with Roxio easy CD/DVD 6.


I use Easy CD creator 6.2 and it works fine. Just open creatorc.exe and move over the "VIDEO_TS" "AUDIO_TS" dirs over and click burn.

[wkozun]

I use Easy CD creator 6.2 and it works fine. Just open creatorc.exe and move over the "VIDEO_TS" "AUDIO_TS" dirs over and click burn.

Thanks for the info - I will try this.

[drnull]

fyi I am using Win XP Home. I am running TyTool by a shortcut that is set up in the top half of the start menu that stays on the menu permanently.

You need to set the "Start In" folder for the shortcut to be c:\tivo\tytool8r3\tytool, otherwise, your shortcut starts in your user directory.

[jdiner]

I have installed TyTools in a directory called c:\tivo\tytool8r3\ and the .exe files are all in c:\tivo\tytool8r3\tytool. When TyTool tries to run, some of the exe files such as GOPeditor, muxmenu, etc. it is looking in the folder c:\Documents and Settings\UserName where UserName is my login name on my PC. I was able to ascertain this by checking off the GUI>Do GOPeditor popup.

Is this the way it is supposed to work? How do I make it get all of the files from the c:\tivo\tytool8r3\tytool directory?

fyi I am using Win XP Home. I am running TyTool by a shortcut that is set up in the top half of the start menu that stays on the menu permanently.
Ok. You did not make a shortcut to the program in the TyTool directory. You copied the .exe file into the start menu some place. Potentially in a sub-folder etc...

Go back and fix the icon to be a shortcut and all will be well. It can definately be run from the menu you just have run it "in the right place" not in the start menu directory tree.

EDIT: Ah it would appear under XP there is also a "start folder". I have never seen that but my experience with XP is both limited and unpleasant.

--jdiner

[FredThompson]

Go back and fix the icon to be a shortcut and all will be well. It can definately be run from the menu you just have run it "in the right place" not in the start menu directory tree.

EDIT: Ah it would appear under XP there is also a "start folder". I have never seen that but my experience with XP is both limited and unpleasant.That's common for shortcuts, you just don't normally see the field.

Theoretically, XP SP2 will be out sometime int he second half of this year. I've been watching that as well as the various automatic updaters/optimizers. Maybe it will be usable then. Too many things were made neophyte-friendly/poweruser-antagonistic with XP in my view. The only positive thing I've heard is an ability to properly restart Explorer when it crashes. Can't do that with Win2K so the optin is to reboot or let the box finish whatever processing it's already doing.

[FredThompson]

Risking the wrath of the tytool gods, I stick my neck out and ask:\

If the default DVD layout were to be a template, what would it look like? I'd like to extend the entries fully across the screen. For long titles, descenders get cropped unless the font is failry small.

Additionally, what needs to be hacked to change the font from white to black?

[jdiner]

If the default DVD layout were to be a template, what would it look like? I'd like to extend the entries fully across the screen. For long titles, descenders get cropped unless the font is failry small.

Ummm. Just edit one, that goes from the left of the left column in the columns12.tmp file, to the right of the right hand one. Actually go to the right hand one minus between 5 and 10 and you will have one that goes all the way across. I have made a copy of these for movies for the nieces and nephews.

Additionally, what needs to be hacked to change the font from white to black?
Can't be done in the corrent scheme. You have to define a color palette for the current DVD portion of things. I.e. it is not in the TyTool code but in the dvdauthor code.

You can make the bitmap images for the text black. But it will be overlayed with the white "not selected" text from the overlay. Then selected one will be red, often flickering, and then once "pressed" it will turn grey briefly. With the new version, not yet in place inside of TyTool, the colors are selected by from the bitmap images themselves. I have added the color selection to the "cell" in the menu building window in preparation for shifting to a version with this option in place. But it hasn't been turned on, nor has it been released, not can you hex edit anything and activate it yourself.

--jdiner

[jdiner]

Alright. Progress at last. Finally had the time to work on it some tonight. Sadly starting to work on things at 10pm and quiting at 12:15am doesn't really let me get a ton done. But here is the latest status update.

I have the decoder finally fixed. Only took me about 15 total minutes to fix it. It was a flag issue and not much more.

I have the display engine fixed and ready to roll. So you can now preview everything single image in a GOP correctly. You get the right number of them reguardless of the TFF and RFF and PS flag settings.

Now all I have to do is a touch of cleanup on the FRAME window and preview 2 with all of the correct output will be ready to roll. I hope to release that tommorow morning by noon. But no promises at this point. Just a hope and prayer.

Then comes the re-working of the TyTool code to properly handle it. That part is going to take a bit of time but once it is done FAE is here.

--jdiner

[FredThompson]

Ummm. Just edit one, that goes from the left of the left column in the columns12.tmp file, to the right of the right hand one. Actually go to the right hand one minus between 5 and 10 and you will have one that goes all the way across. I have made a copy of these for movies for the nieces and nephews.Oh, how stupid of me...You can make the bitmap images for the text black. But it will be overlayed with the white "not selected" text from the overlay. Then selected one will be red, often flickering, and then once "pressed" it will turn grey briefly. With the new version, not yet in place inside of TyTool, the colors are selected by from the bitmap images themselves. I have added the color selection to the "cell" in the menu building window in preparation for shifting to a version with this option in place. But it hasn't been turned on, nor has it been released, not can you hex edit anything and activate it yourself.I've sent you a PM about the overlay text with small fonts. The rest sounds like it's going to be fantastic.

[jdiner]

Alright. The second attempt at this. Found in the zip file is only GopEditor Preview #2. Please use it with the preview1 version of TyTool.

It has the fixed GOP code for working with the flags I was ignoring and the results are that you should get the exact number of frames that you would want.

You can see this happen if you hit F1 on the MAIN window. It will show the message "decoding" and print that it is going to a smaller number, on a DTIVO stream, but will render each frame. That is because it is actually counting decoded frames. Than if you hit F1 again it will play from the cache and does not need to redecode. The end result... it will report the proper # of images to be displayed. It will almost always be a larger number (again on a DTIVO stream).

The same warnings exist as before. if you are doing anything in a frame accurate mode. Let it finish before hitting anything else on the keyboard or you will crash. I will get to fixing that error-prone nature once I have the reall work well... working. :)

--jdiner

[jdiner]

Oh on the above. I decided while I was working in the guts of the editor that I would just finish. So that I could start fresh with something else in the morning. But hey. I am releasing it before noon tommorow so all is well. :)

--jdiner

[FredThompson]

OK, I've played with it for a while. Me like, a lot.

Still can't get used to "play without cuts", though. If It's got cuts, the stuff should be missing. How about "play everything" and "play edited"? That's not quite right, either...

Can the FAE editing window have a different color background or must it be gray? What if it were the same blue as the FAE highlights?

Could the FAE editing window also have some text to remind the user if they are choosing a start or stop cut point? It appears the same in either condition.

In the main editing screen there are vertical separations in the start and stop displays. What are those for?

Would you move the buttons up on the FAE window? They're at the bottom and might get clipped on windowed tv-out display.

Oh, that reminds me, in the docs you mention the "make DVD" button isn't a proper name for it since it makes the files, not the DVD. How about titling that button "Make IFO"?

This is really exciting!! The preview looks great.

(This is what happens when a serious beta tester gets ahold of something.)

[jdiner]

Still can't get used to "play without cuts", though. If It's got cuts, the stuff should be missing. How about "play everything" and "play edited"? That's not quite right, either...

Then turn on the play with cuts. I use it the way it becaus I like being able to see what is really there. Did the cut wind up in the wrong place etc... Some of that is probably the development nature of all of this. The old addage of double and tripple check everything.


Can the FAE editing window have a different color background or must it be gray? What if it were the same blue as the FAE highlights?

To what end? I thought the change in the # and layout/position of the buttons was a pretty clear indication that a switch had been made. What say the rest of you? Change the color or leave it as is.


Could the FAE editing window also have some text to remind the user if they are choosing a start or stop cut point? It appears the same in either condition.

You mean like the title bar that says " -> Start Cut" when doing a start cut point and " -> End Cut" when doing an ending cut point.


In the main editing screen there are vertical separations in the start and stop displays. What are those for?
[quote]
Those are for holding the frame positions of the data on the right. Left section is the timestamp. Right section is the frame number where the cut will occur. They are there to help present that much more data to the user.

[quote]
Would you move the buttons up on the FAE window? They're at the bottom and might get clipped on windowed tv-out display.

I did that on purpose to help make it clear that a change had occured. I was trying to go with the standard "popup dialog" motif and have the OK/CANCEL pair on the very bottom of the window. Sadly they are together. I am open to the change, but only if the concensus is that it should be made. I personally like them where they are. But GUI look and feel is a wierdly personal thing...


Oh, that reminds me, in the docs you mention the "make DVD" button isn't a proper name for it since it makes the files, not the DVD. How about titling that button "Make IFO"?

Ummm. Right now the buttons says "Make IFO". It is part of TyTool rather than part of the GopEditor. I was trying to say that perhaps "Make DVD" would be a more accurate title but the problem was that that sounds like it will do it all. And I don't have that capability. It just makes the IFO fileset not the entire process.

--jdiner

[jdiner]

Sadly I thought of a bug not 5 minutes after I quit for the night.

The play portion of the FRAME window is not playing things quite right. But it will be shortly. Get ready for Preview #3.

--jdiner

[FredThompson]

Then turn on the play with cuts. I use it the way it becaus I like being able to see what is really there. Did the cut wind up in the wrong place etc... Some of that is probably the development nature of all of this. The old addage of double and tripple check everything.It's not the functionality which confuses me still, it's the verbage. Those 2 options in the menu are really a boolean to determine whether the marked areas for deletion should be...well...deleted during playback. "play with cuts" seems more like "play with the marked setions removed" to me because a "cut" is the absence of something.

Could that part of the menu have a check mark similar to the portion of the DVD menu which shows the status of the variable to display button regions? Maybe a check and the phrase "play all frames" or something like that?To what end? I thought the change in the # and layout/position of the buttons was a pretty clear indication that a switch had been made. What say the rest of you? Change the color or leave it as is.Reinforcement but perhaps you are correct. Maybe it will be come second nature with use. I'm not sure if it would be needlessly redundant or a helpful visual association.You mean like the title bar that says " -> Start Cut" when doing a start cut point and " -> End Cut" when doing an ending cut point.I never saw it. My eyes were on the buttons and the preview display, primarily in the lower-right quandrant. After hitting the PgUp or PgDn, that's where my gaze goes because that's where the important information is located. Very rarely do I ever look at a title bar. All they usually show is the program name and, perhaps, the primary open file it's working on.In the main editing screen there are vertical separations in the start and stop displays. What are those for?Those are for holding the frame positions of the data on the right. Left section is the timestamp. Right section is the frame number where the cut will occur. They are there to help present that much more data to the user.
I did that on purpose to help make it clear that a change had occured. I was trying to go with the standard "popup dialog" motif and have the OK/CANCEL pair on the very bottom of the window. Sadly they are together. I am open to the change, but only if the concensus is that it should be made. I personally like them where they are. But GUI look and feel is a wierdly personal thing...Good idea. Hmmm...I wonder what the blue highlight looks like to colorblind people. Maybe they can't see it.Ummm. Right now the buttons says "Make IFO". It is part of TyTool rather than part of the GopEditor. I was trying to say that perhaps "Make DVD" would be a more accurate title but the problem was that that sounds like it will do it all. And I don't have that capability. It just makes the IFO fileset not the entire process.That's what I get for shooting from the hip when tired. I was too lazy to look back at the button itself and tried to piggyback one more comment on the message. I'd even run the process earlier last night trying to isolate some strange things it was doing. (It only made the 1st VOB file, nothing else. Had to kill and restart.) Uh...ignore that babbling.

[ronnythunder]

josh, i like it the way it is (of course, i'm a "tytool bitch"! :D). i don't think a color change is needed; the absence of the "cut list" area makes it quickly obvious that the fae screen is in use.

oh, ok, i guess i will agree that it'd be nice to move the "ok" and "cancel" buttons up higher. other than that, i say "cut and print".

ronny

[Hi8]

It's not the functionality which confuses me still, it's the verbage. Those 2 options in the menu are really a boolean to determine whether the marked areas for deletion should be...well...deleted during playback. "play with cuts" seems more like "play with the marked setions removed" to me because a "cut" is the absence of something.


how about "Play un-cut" <-> "Play editted"

oh yeah, I'm colorblind and I an see it FINE! thank you very much.

man before you know it we'll be asking for wheelchair access!

[bato]

I think IFOedit also has problems with RFF flags, in one of my tests it created a DVD with 71xxx frames total video but the actual number of frames is 75xxx, so if I put chapters they are set wrong. ReJig0.5e did a better job on this, I have to test if the total number of frames are the same but at least the difference, if any, is low; ReJig created the DVD with an actual number of frames of 75xxx.

I saw a warning saying that a software is using GPL code and need to release the code, but instead the author will create a DLL with that GPL code and release only the DLL source. Maybe if this can be done with GPL jdiner can use some of the GPL code and release it as a DLL without the need to release all the source code?

[wkozun]

I have been using TyTools for several months, but I have never burned files to DVD until now. The video on my burned DVDs is fine but I do not get any audio. My TiVo is a SA Series1. I am using Audio Option #5 DVD -48 @192. My DVD player is a Gateway Connected DVD.

I can open the VOB files in PowerDVD and they play with audio. I can also play the DVDs I burn from PowerDVD on my PC and the audio plays. It is just in my DVD player that I get no audio. This makes me think that the problem is that the audio transcoding is not working properly for me.

I did have problems with the files opening from strange locations but I have placed tytranscodedll.dll both in my TyTools folder and in my user folder. And I would think I would get an error message if TyTools couldn't find the dll.

One strange thing that I noticed is that when DVD Author is working and outputting results to the screen for Audio it says something like Audio 0 2 ch 20 bps. Should it say that? Is there any way to direct the DVD Author output to a log file?

I have tried both Nero 5.5.10.20 and Roxio Easy CD/DVD creator to burn the DVDs - but it doesn't appear to be a burning issue if I can play the burned DVD with audio in my PC.

Is there any way to tell what the bitrate is for the audio of the CD I have burned?

Any suggestions on troubleshooting? I don't have another standalone DVD player available right now to see if it is just the player.

[ertyu]

A great tool, but I'm having problems with the dates on my S2 SA.

Something recorded today (1/10) shows up as 7/24 in the tool, likewise for all programs.

[borghe]

Well, I played around with preview 2.. very nice.. can't wait.. right now my workflow takes me out to MPEG2VCR.. I have no problems with it or keeping sync after cuts, but I end up with a minimum of 5 times the number of files. the original ty, a multiplexed mpeg for MPEG2VCR, a saved mpeg from mpeg2vcr, the multiplexed vobs from tytool, and the final dvd image. now granted I could delete each of those at each step of the way, but I like to have the original files around in case something goes wrong I can go back to start.. and unfrotunately there is more space on my computer right now than my tivo..

anyway, can't wait for the editing portion to actually be implemented.. thanks.. works great so far.

[jdiner]

I think IFOedit also has problems with RFF flags, in one of my tests it created a DVD with 71xxx frames total video but the actual number of frames is 75xxx, so if I put chapters they are set wrong. ReJig0.5e did a better job on this, I have to test if the total number of frames are the same but at least the difference, if any, is low; ReJig created the DVD with an actual number of frames of 75xxx.

I saw a warning saying that a software is using GPL code and need to release the code, but instead the author will create a DLL with that GPL code and release only the DLL source. Maybe if this can be done with GPL jdiner can use some of the GPL code and release it as a DLL without the need to release all the source code?
As near as I can tell GPL doesn't work that way. That is why so many people don't like the rather common switch from LGPL to GPL. If you do anything with GPL'ed code they like to claim that you have to release everything.

Who knows what the real law is. So I steer very clear of it all now.

--jdiner

[Zak0]

As near as I can tell GPL doesn't work that way. That is why so many people don't like the rather common switch from LGPL to GPL. If you do anything with GPL'ed code they like to claim that you have to release everything.
jdiner is right... Although the GPL hasn't been tested in court, the GNU people have said that a program that uses GPL code must release all of their code (whether they are using it in a DLL or static linking it doesn't matter). That's the reason the LGPL was drafted. The LGPL ("Lesser GPL" also known as the "Library GPL") allows you to stick the LGPL'd code in a DLL (or other type of shared library) and not open the source to your program.

Most useful open-source libraries seem to be GPL'd rather than LGPL'd. This is unfortunate for people who like to keep their source closed, but it does benefit the open source community as a whole (because anyone using one of these libraries has to open their source too). As a developer myself, I prefer to use LGPL'd code when possible just so I have the choice to keep my code closed. If I _DO_ use GPL'd code, I always open my code up - as required.

-Zak

[malfunct]

I have been using TyTools for several months, but I have never burned files to DVD until now. The video on my burned DVDs is fine but I do not get any audio. My TiVo is a SA Series1. I am using Audio Option #5 DVD -48 @192. My DVD player is a Gateway Connected DVD.

The issue is almost certainly the fact that option 5 is putting mpeg layer II audio into your dvd. This is not "standard" for NTSC dvd's but most players play it fine.

First thing I'd check is that if you are using a digital audio output from the dvd player that you are not passing the raw bitstream to your stereo and instead are decoding it in the dvd player. My stereo was unable to process the mpeg layer II audio.

A second thing to try is to transcode the audio to dolby digital (that is a standard type for NTSC dvd's) and you may be able to decode that better.

A final thing you can do (which may or may not work, I never got a chance to try it) is extract the movie, split the ty into video and audio stream, transcode the audio to 48khz wav, mux back into a ty and continue processing as normal. The 48khz (I think thats the right speed) wav (or LPCM as you might see it someplaces) is the other "standard" audio stream for a dvd and its likely that your player would be able to play that.

If nothing else spend about $50 for a cheap dvd player to play your tivo dvd's there is a topic in this forum listing a bunch of different ones that work well with tivo dvd's.

[koreth]

Getting slightly offtopic here, but: It is definitely important to keep an eye on the fine print of open-source software licenses if you're not planning to open your own source code. The GPL may not have had its day in court quite yet, but a lot of people expect it to be one of the major issues of the SCO vs. IBM lawsuit that's winding its way through the legal system. I suspect IBM's lawyers will see to it that the GPL ends up being supported by court precedent.

I take almost the opposite approach from Zak0 -- I pretty much ignore whether the libraries I'm using are under LGPL, GPL, MIT, Apache, or some other open-source license. I've released source for every piece of public software I've written in the last 15 years; it's almost a reflexive habit at this point, one that so far has had no perceptible downside. The amount of time I've spent supporting people who're trying to modify my source is a small fraction of the time I've spent reading "can you make it do X for me?" email, and it usually pays off in the form of patches that save me from having to tweak the code myself. Plus it frees me from having to worry about license contamination.

Realistically, though, even for UNIX server-side stuff where the source release is the only release, very few of my users actually do anything with the source other than compile it. Mostly I release source not out of any expectation that I'll benefit from it, but because I rely heavily on the vast quantities of free information out on the net, and if someone else has an "aha, so that's how you do XYZ" experience thanks to reading my code, then I feel like I'm adding to the intellectual value of the net rather than just consuming it.

But that's just me -- other people have come to other conclusions.

[FredThompson]

how about "Play un-cut" <-> "Play editted"Good idea.

[wkozun]

The issue is almost certainly the fact that option 5 is putting mpeg layer II audio into your dvd. This is not "standard" for NTSC dvd's but most players play it fine.

First thing I'd check is that if you are using a digital audio output from the dvd player that you are not passing the raw bitstream to your stereo and instead are decoding it in the dvd player. My stereo was unable to process the mpeg layer II audio.

Thank you very much malfunct - you were exactly right.

My DVD player (Gateway Connected DVD player) allows you to change the type of digital signal for several types of streams. The options are Bitstream, PCM and Off. You can change these settings for the following stream types: Dolby Digital, DTS, MP3, CD on the main screen and on a second screen: LPCM and Others.

What fixed is was changing Others from Bitstream to PCM. Hopefully this helps others with similar problems in the future.

[bato]

As near as I can tell GPL doesn't work that way. That is why so many people don't like the rather common switch from LGPL to GPL. If you do anything with GPL'ed code they like to claim that you have to release everything.

Who knows what the real law is. So I steer very clear of it all now.

--jdiner
Maybe I didn't understand what he is talking about the next release. Never mind.

[MudShark]

Using TyTools, is there an option to increase the volume? The DVDs seem to come out rather quiet.

[malfunct]

Using TyTools, is there an option to increase the volume? The DVDs seem to come out rather quiet.

If I remember correctly thats an issue that is being addressed in a future release. J knows whats wrong but has been working on other things at the moment, so I guess all I can say is give it time.

[FredThompson]

If you really want, you can demux, pump the audio through BeSweet then remux with bbMPEG. I don't do this and can't guarantee you'll like the results, however.

[electrocit]

I've read alot about tytool and tystudio and I wated to know if I could run both on a tivo S1? A freind of mine has traded with my S2 for his S1 so that I can extract some shows. He has tystudio set up and working on it but I would like to try tytools:
1) can I install it with out damaging th tystudio set up?
2) how would it affect the machine? willit slow it down or make it crash?

[malfunct]

I've read alot about tytool and tystudio and I wated to know if I could run both on a tivo S1? A freind of mine has traded with my S2 for his S1 so that I can extract some shows. He has tystudio set up and working on it but I would like to try tytools:
1) can I install it with out damaging th tystudio set up?
2) how would it affect the machine? willit slow it down or make it crash?

There shouldn't be any issues between the two, the only thing you might have to do is stop the server for tystudio before you start the server for tytools.

[DeathLemur]

I asked this before, but it seems I posted in the middle of a flamewar, and it got drowned out. :) Hate to do it, but I'd like to ask again:

Here's something that I've had a question about for a while. I'll extract a .ty file, make the .key file, create the .cut file, and then create the multiplexed .mpg file from that. The problem is that the final .mpg file still thinks that its the time length of the original .ty file.

So far, I've just been using the Merge & Cut tool in TMPGEnc to manually set the end point of the file and rebuilding it. Is there any better way of doing this?

[electrocit]

There shouldn't be any issues between the two, the only thing you might have to do is stop the server for tystudio before you start the server for tytools.

Thanks for the info.

[ronnythunder]

There shouldn't be any issues between the two, the only thing you might have to do is stop the server for tystudio before you start the server for tytools.you don't even have to do that - they peacefully coexist; it's only us users that are doing the "war thing" ;)

ronny

[ostrom]

Maybe I'm missing something, but I have downloaded the zip file and can't find any setup/user documentation. There are realese notes, but nothing designed fo the uninitiated. A pointer would be much appreciated!

Thanks.

Andy Ostrom

[FredThompson]

Read the sticky in this forum titled, "Where are the files?"

Hey, snoopy, perhaps that title should be modified a little to it's more obvious to newbies.

[didjit]

First off, great tool! Have made a few DVD's already.

Question, I'm getting an error on one of my ty files "Error. We did not find an embedded audio header! " My google searches have turned up zilch. Was this file recorded in an unsupported format (Dolby 5.1) or is it something I'm doing incorectly?

TIA

Didjit

[FredThompson]

Hey, Josh,

Can you start a second sticky thread for "newbie help" when the next tytool release happens?

I'll certainly answer questions for people and probably quite a few other people would as well. It might make the "main" thread more focussed on advanced issues, bug reports and the like.

[eastwind]

First off, great tool! Have made a few DVD's already.

Question, I'm getting an error on one of my ty files "Error. We did not find an embedded audio header! " My google searches have turned up zilch. Was this file recorded in an unsupported format (Dolby 5.1) or is it something I'm doing incorectly?

TIA

Didjit

IIRC this is a ty file that needs to have its head cut off. Try skipping the first chunk or two when you extract or use tyfilesplitter to cut off the beginning. Another thing to try is use a program that examines the audio portion and reports where the changes are. Search for a audio check program by jdiner.

ew

[ostrom]

Thanks for the pointer -- I spent quite a while looking and never found that thread.

Andy Ostrom

[malfunct]

Hey, Josh,

Can you start a second sticky thread for "newbie help" when the next tytool release happens?

I'll certainly answer questions for people and probably quite a few other people would as well. It might make the "main" thread more focussed on advanced issues, bug reports and the like.

I agree, it might also be nice if we put together a FAQ based on the questions we see a lot here. If I get some time maybe I can get one going.

[FredThompson]

I'm already working on a FAQ. lmurray started one, too. Things really have gotten to the point that we, as a group, cn educate newbies and make life easier for jdiner.

[rd001]

Not saying it is 100% right, either my take on it or what DTV is actually doing, but I can now see what is going on and even pretty much understand it. ... As a result FAE is moving forward again. Man alive, for awhile there I was thinking this one just might kick my butt.

The good news is that the code I current have is good for about 80% of what needed to be there in the end. The bad news the remaining 20% is going to just be plain tedious to write. Catching corner cases etc...No one here is going to be surprised you found the solution. You're considered a brilliant programmer and analyst. Seriously.

Perhaps if you find any further minefields on the way to FAE Paradise, you might consider releasing your 80% solution. Then if we find a chunk that we can't do FAE editing on, the editor could popup a message to tell us that we have to move to a GOP boundary.

Even an 80% solution would be sublime for most of us. And you could add the remaining 'corner cases' code later, as time and enthusiasm permits.

We'll be happy with any FAE solution, Josh. Well, happy for a week or two anyway. ;)

[malfunct]

I'm already working on a FAQ. lmurray started one, too. Things really have gotten to the point that we, as a group, cn educate newbies and make life easier for jdiner.

Thats great Fred, if you need help editing it or a place to mirror it online let me know.

[bato]

I asked this before, but it seems I posted in the middle of a flamewar, and it got drowned out. Hate to do it, but I'd like to ask again:Originally Posted by DeathLemur
Here's something that I've had a question about for a while. I'll extract a .ty file, make the .key file, create the .cut file, and then create the multiplexed .mpg file from that. The problem is that the final .mpg file still thinks that its the time length of the original .ty file.

So far, I've just been using the Merge & Cut tool in TMPGEnc to manually set the end point of the file and rebuilding it. Is there any better way of doing this?

And your problem is?

If you use TyTool to create the VOB and DVD you will get a working DVD.
If you want to use other tool to create a DVD there are answers about this in other threads.

TyTool cut at GOP level (soon at Frame level) but as today it keep the timecode intact, so if you cut 5min at 3, you will have a gap between minute 3 and minute 8 or "jump" in the time code. Some tools will work ok some others don't and there are workarounds to make it work.

What will you do with the mpg?

I'll sent you a PM to discuss this. If anyone else is interested open another thread to talk about it.

[Slowride]

I'm already working on a FAQ. lmurray started one, too. Things really have gotten to the point that we, as a group, cn educate newbies and make life easier for jdiner.

Maybe build it using Robohelp or some other similar tool???

[FredThompson]

Maybe build it using Robohelp or some other similar tool???I have a few help editors but not Robohelp. This is actually a component of a larger project which is an unofficial user's guide. I'm still deciding on the format. I'd like to be able to deliver as HTML, help file and printable. However, it needs to be kernalized such that parts can be updated without breaking the chain and other people can take over if necessary. The goal is to have it be indexed enough that when someone asks a "newbie" question the answer can be, "RTFM section XXX.YYY" Done properly, this would help cut down on repetitive questions.

[ochs38578]

Sorry if this is a known issue... just spent an hour digging and couldn't find this problem posted already...

Gopeditor 15preview 1 and 2 both crash instantly on trying to open a key file. I have a philips dsr6000R with version 3.1.0b-02-1-001 on which is running tyserver_mfs7 and unscramble.o (the key file generates fine so i think the unscrambling part is working ;). I downloaded a show, generated a keyfile, clicked on edit, and gopeditor starts then throws a "gopeditor has generated an error and needs to close" dialog. It does the same thing if I just open gopeditor and load the key file.

I attached a key file that is doing this if that helps ;)

WinXp is the os, i know it is your favorite ;)

well it won't take the key file, the zip is too large, let me know if you need it and ill get it to you by some other means...

[FredThompson]

The upcoming keyfiles have a different format. What are you using to make those keyfiles?

[ochs38578]

The upcoming keyfiles have a different format. What are you using to make those keyfiles?

tytool8r4preview1

[FredThompson]

I don't know what to tell you. You did test the ty file with regular tytool, correct?

[malfunct]

tytool8r4preview1

I am pretty sure that JDiner told us not to try to use the cut files generated with that version of Tytools, it was a preview only to let us see what the UI of the new version would look like. Any day now he should release the complete version and you can use that. Until then grab tytool8r3 and try to edit your video with that.

[ochs38578]

Serves me right for livin on the bleeding edge ;) 8r3 working perfectly so far...

Jdiner Muchos gracias excellent tool...

Ok, one more quick q... (maybe its a feature req too;)

I have a recording w/ 5.1 audio and am using unscramble.o to descramble it before extraction. The recording has 9 fsid's associated with it. When using tytool to download it off of the tivo if I hit get then it gets the first one, then tserver_mfs7 exits with an error "fsid=xxxxx not found" If I select only the first two fsids when i use "get parts" then it does the same thing after the first one. If i select all the parts *except* the first one, then it downloads #2 and throws the same error for #3. If I select #3 through #9 it pulls them down without problem. Additionally if I select #1 or #2 individually it pulls it down fine. One thing I noticed is #1 is about 256M #2 is around the same size and #3 - #9 are around 512M each. SOOOOO is this just something that is wrong with this particular recording or is it an issue with the server / client? Or is the real issue between my keyboard and chair ;)

As to requests for functionality, it would be nice if tserver_mfs7 didn't bail out on that error (have to restart it every time it generates that error) and it would be nice if we could attach more than one vob to a title... for this recording I have 3 vob's that are part of the same movie because of the above issue.

[asicguyca]

At last, I have used the new gopeditor. The FAE editing is very slick.
The user interface works really well for me, since normal cuts work the
same, and FAE is easy to access with the keyboard only.

I do see crashes if I try to use F1 or do FAE if the GOP count is somewhere
above 5000. On one file F1 and FAE work at 5544 but not at 5545 or
subsequent. F1 on GOP 5544 reveals that the last 3 frames of that GOP
seem corrupted (very blocky). I can vob-mux and the vob file seems ok.

On the second file, I didn't figure out exactly where it broke but it was at
a lower gop count (maybe 5200). I did notice when looking at the VOB
output of this file that the FAE didn't actually work. The cut was frame 26 of the GOP, but the VOB actually played from the beginning of the GOP.

Also, the CTRL-O keystroke didn't work for opening a file, although CTRL-L does work for loading a cut file.

All in all, it seems really close. and I am very excited about it. I am using
my Philips SA, since I still haven't hacked my hdvr2.

Thanks again for the great tools, jdiner.

[jdiner]

When using tytool to download it off of the tivo if I hit get then it gets the first one, then tserver_mfs7 exits with an error "fsid=xxxxx not found"
This is not good. It only occurs when the tivo has reclaimed a particular FSID for some other use. I.e. deleted it to get more space for a new recording etc... Just because the values are still there on the TyTool display doesn't mean that the tivo still has them.

My guess something somehow got out of sync. My advice if at all possible re-record and try again. There isn't much to be done on the TyTool/tserver side of things to fix it.

--jdiner

[Toddler]

ochs38578,

Since you can get the individual pieces, try joining them for the heck of it (sounded like you can do it in three chunks: part 1, part 2, and parts 3-9). Just use DOS to join them together in sequence (copy /b file1.ty+file2.ty+file3.ty file.ty). Then try working with file.ty and your problem may (or may not) be resolved. It's worth a shot anyway.

-Todd

[jdiner]

Heh. Cool.

Add something new to the todo list you are each watching for. This is useful only for a few. But I figured some interesting things out today. I now know what is needed to be done in order to transcode into DIVX output.

Somewhere down the road I plan to add a feature to do just that. It will use the current cutting and even have the FAE cutting by that time. Given what I have learned it should be possible to go into DIVX video, and whatever audio is best at that point probably still MP3... And maintain perfect sync between the 2.

A few quick tests seem to indicate that you can dramatically reduce the size on an SATivo and a bit on a DTivo stream.

Oh and I don't just mean DIVX codecs. Should be feasible to go to any valid/standard Windows codec. It is just my understanding at this point that that is still the best encoding codec.

--jdiner

[Toddler]

Hey, that is very cool. From what I hear, Xvid (a flavor of Divx) is becoming pretty popular, especially in the newsgroups I frequent. And it is amazingly good and amazingly small.

[jdiner]

Hey, that is very cool. From what I hear, Xvid (a flavor of Divx) is becoming pretty popular, especially in the newsgroups I frequent. And it is amazingly good and amazingly small.
Did the solve the purple smearing on playback issue then? I figure they must have if people are starting to use it. But when I tested it way back when that was a serious issue for me.

I heard rumblings that it was supposed to be a DIVX vs XVID installed on the same machine issue. But I saw it even on a machine that had only the 1 codec installed.

Anyway, it could be interesting with the new DIVX enabled DVD players that have been announced. Could be really interesting to get a even more data onto a DVD. It will involve re-encoding but if that is the desired end-goal...

--jdiner

[FredThompson]

Josh, why do all of that?

All you need to do is serve frames as a virtual file from the editor. There's quite a bit of code available to show how it's done. tyshow is still a little flaky and doesn't quite work properly.

There are already some very good encoding suites and mimicing an AVI file (VFW and DS) would give the maximum usefulness.

If there's a way to go from MPEG2 to MPEG4 without re-encoding, that would be a different issue.

Yes, XviD does seem to have taken the lead over DivX for quality.

[FredThompson]

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