TyTool Alpha #8r3, VSplit beta #3.41, DVD output...

[jdiner]

Alright. The rules in this thread are the same as the last one for my tools. A great many things have been updated recently. But best to start with a charter for this thread.

Just like before these are rules for this thread, not the forum. If you want to discuss things deemed off limits here make your own threads and set your own rules. But if you decide to participate here then please follow the guidelines.

So the rules for this thread are:

1- NO FLAMES AND NO ARGUMENTS... I am through trying to be nice on this as it just plain does not work. I will without reservation delete anything that shows up here that could be considered either of the above. Enough is enough.

2- It has become clear that we have 2 distinct camps with zealots in both. Fine. Use my stuff. Use Olaf's. I couldn't care less. Many of us got dragged into a war we didn't know we were supposed to be involved in... So a new rule. We discuss ONLY my own tools here... Leave the rest in their own threads! This is not intended to be an attack but rather to stop them. You don't like me. Fine. You don't like my tools fine. You don't like those that use them. You're an ***** but fine for hating people you have never ever met so just go somewhere else.

3- NO ADVERTISING FOR OTHER TOOLS. Again this thread is again about Vsplit/TyTool. If you have something cool to use in place of or even with them the take it to a different thread. Any post by anyone about "you really should use X instead..." is gone the moment I or some of other mods see it.

This is still an open forum. Create your own thread and have at it. But such posts are entirely unwelcome here.

4- Feel free to discuss various OS/wishes/desires/etc.... At some point we should support as much as is possible.

5- Feel free to ask for features but be aware that I am making no promises except to work on things in general... I mean it. Ask. But don't hound me or anyone else, that accomplishes nothing. If you think of something that would be cool let me know. I will add it to the list.

6- I suppose I should say it... I reserve the right to disappear at any time. Just like you do. When life interferes hobbies get put on hold. Having said that it will be obvious when you look at the new toolset that I have been putting in a great deal of time on it. Hope that it helps every do what they want to with their Tivos...

7- Keep DVDLab, tmpgenc et all to a dull roar in here please. It might be better say that we are now 3 camps. TyTool, TyStudio, and TyTool with the output being used elsewhere. I don't mind the occasional this works with DVDLab/Tmpgenc etc... in reference to a problem someone asks about. But in the last while it has felt like we had dropped to advertising again. Please don't do that. There are a number of very good DVDLab threads here on the forum to do that kind of thing etc...

--jdiner

[jdiner]

TyTool 8r3 with DVD Support. The attachment has the full version of the tooset in it. All DVD extras and tserver versions are found within it.

This version is a major upgrade from the 7 series of TyTool and a few minor fixes from 8r2.

8r3 changes:
1- The multi-file splitter option was re-enabled.

2- TMF files are now directly supported. No more need to untar them to try and use them in TyTool/VSplit.

3- The SVCD mux option failing in split mux'ing has been solved. A commented line crept in at some point and has been removed.


The release notes were way to big to post out here. You will have to read the doc file from inside the zip. This 8 series releases comprises over 100 elements from my Todo list. As a result there might be some growing pains in the next few days. Things check out here but they have in the past as well.

This also version features more general bug fixes. There are more of these to come but I wanted to get the new features out rather than keep waiting on things.

As always check the release notes found inside the .zip for a detailed list of what has changed.

8r2 changes:
1- Fix of the NowShowing sorting code.
2- Fix of the lockup in the GopEditor when you try to time just past the end. (It just never occured to me to even try doing that, I always use ctrl-end when I know it goes to the end.)

--jdiner

[jdiner]

TyTool 8r3 with NO DVD Support. The attachment has the TyTool/VSplit only version of the tooset in it. All DVD extras have ben removed. Both the mips and the PowerPC tserver versions are found within it.

This version is a major upgrade from the 7 series of TyTool. GopEditor has been full reworked. TyTool has many more options dealing with DVD menus etc..

The release notes were way to big to post out here. You will have to read the doc file from inside the zip. This release comprises over 100 elements from my Todo list. As a result there might be some growing pains in the next few days. Things check out here but they have in the past as well.

This also version features more general bug fixes. There are more of these to come but I wanted to get the new features out rather than keep waiting on things.

As always check the release notes found inside the .zip for a detailed list of what has changed.

--jdiner

[jdiner]

These aren't here yet. Just a place hold for future releases.


--jdiner

[jdiner]

From HuMan321:

WooHoo...

First to download

Thanks so much Josh!

I know what I will be doing this weekend.
I have saved quite a few files for this release

NOTE: Sorry. i want the file posts at the top of this thread. No moe searching like last time. --jdiner

[jdiner]

From cojonesdetoro:

Thanks a bunch. I thought version 7 was great as it stood but I can't wait to check this out.

[TRILIGHT]

Anytime I try to use the sort feature, the client crashes. I'm on WinXP Professional SP1 and TiVo 2.5.2. Any ideas?

[tictoc2]

jdiner,


Thanks again for your awsome tools. I just seem to be havin a problem with the new 'group by" feature under the view menu. It seems like my winxp box gives and error:

TyTool8r1.exe has encountered a problem and needs to close. We are sorry for the inconvenience.

details:

error signature

AppName: tytool8r1.exe AppVer: 0.0.0.0 ModName: tytool8r1.exe
ModVer: 0.0.0.0 Offset: 0000d96f


Maybe it is just on my side. I populate the now showing list and then click on view and then "group by" whatever and I get the above error.

I'm not complaining, just making you aware of what's happening on my side.

Thanks again for all you do for the community.

tictoc2

[jdiner]

Originally posted by TRILIGHT
Anytime I try to use the sort feature, the client crashes. I'm on WinXP Professional SP1 and TiVo 2.5.2. Any ideas?
I use them all the time with no problems. But I develope on Win2k.

That is it, new rule, no one is allowed to use XP anymore.

--jdiner

[tictoc2]

If I would have typed a little faster....

[TRILIGHT]

Originally posted by jdiner
That is it, new rule, no one is allowed to use XP anymore.

I sure hope that's a joke, dude! hehe :D There's no way in hell I would ever go back, especially on the laptop.

[jdiner]

Why take Xp over 2K?

--jdiner

[TRILIGHT]

Originally posted by jdiner
Why take Xp over 2K?

Overall stability and compatability are better on my laptop. Hibernation actually works as it should now and battery power remaining is reported more accurately. I could go on but I don't want to get your thread off topic. So were you not joking before? Are more recent versions of Windows not going to be supported going forward?

[jdiner]

NO I was kidding about no more XP support. I just hate XP. Slower, for me way less stable than 2k, and buggy beyond belief when it comes to the programming side.

I have XP Pro w/Sp1 installed here at home. I just ran the same tests as I have used before and the sort by features work perfectly. Welcome to XP.

I don't know how to solve what I can reproduce.

How many streams are on the tivo. Refresh works but choosing any of the sort options sizes? Or just 1 in particular?

--jdiner

[jdiner]

And here I was hoping people would be impressed with the new features.

So outside of the sorting what else doesn't work on XP?

--jdiner

[jdiner]

I was serious Trilight and Tictoc2 how many shows do you have on your Tivo?

I have a thought about what might be going wrong.

--jdiner

[TRILIGHT]

The refresh and all original options seem to work just as they always have. The only time I run into a problem is when selecting a "Group by" option. (any of them) I always keep this system updated with the latest fixes for XP. I can give you a list of the installed hotfixes if it would be of any help in comparing to your XP system.

Just a thought but, do you (or did you) have any development tools installed on the XP system? I've seen an app run fine on a developer's OS and then when we tried to run the app in the enterprise, it crashed. There were certain items installed with the development app that enabled it to run fine on his system but not elsewhere. Just an idea to consider. I'm going to my neice's b-day party right now but I'll get you a list of the hotfixes later this evening if you think it would help.

[TRILIGHT]

Originally posted by jdiner
I was serious Trilight and Tictoc2 how many shows do you have on your Tivo?

I have a thought about what might be going wrong.

--jdiner

I usually have a WHOLE lot of stuff. I just recently had to rebuild my TiVo because of the drive crash though. Right now, I count 46.

[tictoc2]

jdiner,


I have 17 shows recorded on the dtivo. any ideas?

tictoc2

[jdiner]

Originally posted by TRILIGHT
The refresh and all original options seem to work just as they always have. The only time I run into a problem is when selecting a "Group by" option. (any of them) I always keep this system updated with the latest fixes for XP. I can give you a list of the installed hotfixes if it would be of any help in comparing to your XP system.

Just a thought but, do you (or did you) have any development tools installed on the XP system? I've seen an app run fine on a developer's OS and then when we tried to run the app in the enterprise, it crashed. There were certain items installed with the development app that enabled it to run fine on his system but not elsewhere. Just an idea to consider. I'm going to my neice's b-day party right now but I'll get you a list of the hotfixes later this evening if you think it would help.
Yeah. I have VC++ installed on that box. I have to to be able to develop on it. But I have other machines without it and they all run fine. But that is my only XP box. I set it up just for working on XP issues with TyTool. I can't afford another one.

--jdiner

[jdiner]

Crap 17 and 46. That is nothing. There is a limit with TyTool as to how many shows you can have. But it is orders of magnitude larger than that.

Tictoc2: Do you run hotfixes as well or just the OS? I just installed the OS itself. I have 0 hotfixes running on it.

--jdiner

[tictoc2]

I have winxp pro corp sp1 with all current hotfixes in place same as TRILIGHT..I Think...Probably one of those hotfixes..

[cullen_simpson]

I am using XP Pro SP1 with the latest fixes as of Sunday when I built the system.

The "Group By" options all seem to work for me.

I do not have VC++ or anything like that installed.

Very few apps installed since it was a fresh load of XP to try and figure out why my iPod was misbehaving.

Of course, it ended up being a cable and not the Win2000,
but I don't really want to go back from XP either.

[tictoc2]

I think there were some hotfixes released after last sunday. Maybe that can help narrow down the culprit(s).

[cullen_simpson]

So you are saying you want me to apply them and break my setup?

[tivomaster]

I am running XP PRO SP1 with all the latest updates (including sunday's)

Windows update reports:
There are no updates available at this time

There are no updates available for your computer. Please check back later.

and the sorting works like a champ for me.....

[tictoc2]

I believe that M$ released hotfixes for more "flaws" in their os this past wed or thursday
.
check out this yahoo news thread:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=582&ncid=582&e=10&u=/nm/20031016/wr_nm/tech_microsoft_security_dc


Cullen....NO don't break it if it's workin'. I just made an observation and wanted to contribute to figuring this thing out.

Tytool8r1 craps out when TRILIGHT or myself try to sort the Nowshowing list. I'm just trying to figure out some common factor.

tictoc2

[Slowride]

Originally posted by jdiner
I use them all the time with no problems. But I develope on Win2k.

That is it, new rule, no one is allowed to use XP anymore.

--jdiner

Wooo hooo BAH! to XP :)

Been following the forums for many many moons, awesome app J.
I appreciate all of your hard work and vision.

With the various problems that people seem to be running into, I'm wondering if it boils down to .dll issues. If the attachment goes through, I have uploaded a small appication that may help. You can run this on any windows box and it will show the programs and processes running and the date and version of the files in use by these programs. This information can be save to a text file then imported into another session or computer and run a comparison. This is not an app that I cooked up. This is a tool that I've used over the years and is supplied from Crystal Decisions(formerly Seagate Software) for use with trouble shooting Crystal Reports issues and application issues. Hope this may help.

Slowride

[eastwind]

Hi, all.

I'm using Windows XP Home SP1 with all current hotfixes and 8r1 sorting works fine for me.

Thanks again Josh!

ew

EDIT: forgot to mention that I have Visual Studio.NET installed (with c#.net)

[sanderton]

Just saw the list of changes in the release notes. Incredible stuff. I feel a weekend of DVD making coming on. :)

May thanks jdiner.

[cullen_simpson]

I have noticed a problem.

Not a big one, I can work around it.

It seems that after using play and then stop in the
gop editor, the arrow keys move much more slowly
forward and back. Then, by the time I get to the
end of an episode, the gop editor locks up and the
hour glass icon appears.

Maybe that is because I hit the right arrow when I was already at the end of the stream or something.

I have to kill the job and then re-do the cuts.

Does anyone else exprerience this?

TicToc2, I was just joking about applying fixes to break
my system. I will probably apply them soon anyway though,
I am trying to keep up this time.

[cullen_simpson]

Nevermind.
I am an *****.

It seems that the playback speed is also tied to the speed with which the arrows move through the stream.

I had slowed the playback down and then tried to use the arrows, so that is why my perfomance was sluggish.

I do still have the lockup of gop editor problem on occasion though.

[jdiner]

Originally posted by cullen_simpson
Nevermind.
I am an *****.

It seems that the playback speed is also tied to the speed with which the arrows move through the stream.

Yes as mentioned in the docs I slaved over. So does anyone actually read that stuff?


I do still have the lockup of gop editor problem on occasion though.
Explain to me what you were doing. I have used it pretty solidly recently with no problems at all. I haven't seen a single lockup.

What specifically are you doing when it locks up. What modes have you turned on? The more you can tell me the better chance I can fix whatever is wrong.

--jdiner

[horwitz]

Originally posted by jdiner
Yes as mentioned in the docs I slaved over. So does anyone actually read that stuff?

I do. And I appreciate the documentation. Thanks!

[cullen_simpson]

Originally posted by jdiner
Yes as mentioned in the docs I slaved over. So does anyone actually read that stuff?


Explain to me what you were doing. I have used it pretty solidly recently with no problems at all. I haven't seen a single lockup.

What specifically are you doing when it locks up. What modes have you turned on? The more you can tell me the better chance I can fix whatever is wrong.

--jdiner

Simply using the gop editor.
I think every time it happened, I had tried a playback without cuts and then stopped the playback to continue finding commercials.

I was using the arrows to navigate rather than the mouse and slider bar.

If no one else mentions the problem then let it lie.
I will do some more and see if it happens again. Maybe they were just weird .ty files.

Also, I did "read over" the docs, I just could not wait to get
my hands on the stuff, so I did not read them fully. You wrote so
much, you can't expect us to hold off can you? That is like
waiting until after breakfast to open your Christmas presents.

[Stephen]

Jdiner:

a VERY small issue that I had mentioned before maybe someone else has a answer on this issue. (And I DONT expect you to attempt to fix it) Does anyone else run tytools via a terminal server?

I quite often do some batches and work with Terminal server on a windows 2000 Advanced server box. Everything works properly EXCEPT for the when you hit the create IFO (The VERY last Create IFO) it closes out the tytools box. and you are back to haveing to reopen thee tytools box. You actually can NOT do this unless you are at the console of the box.

If I am at the console it works fine..

[bato]

Thanks one more time.

I just tested Tytool8r1 with mpg files created from "other" pvr, and it works great (if you don't mux the elementals with mpeg2vcr).

Are you planning to let users from other mpeg2 to use your tools?

I'm asking this because the GUI show a lot Tivo-only information (address, Now Playing, TyStream mode, etc.), that will confuse users that only want a great/fast way to cut mpeg2 files.

I know some people that will love your tool but don't use a Tivo.

[jdiner]

Originally posted by Stephen
I quite often do some batches and work with Terminal server on a windows 2000 Advanced server box. Everything works properly EXCEPT for the when you hit the create IFO (The VERY last Create IFO) it closes out the tytools box. and you are back to haveing to reopen thee tytools box. You actually can NOT do this unless you are at the console of the box.

If I am at the console it works fine..
I don't have a setup where I can even test it. I have no idea what is kicking it out or to be honest how terminal server even runs. I have run it via PCAnyhwere and it works fine. But not terminal server.

The Make IFO process opens a number of dos shell only programs in a row but I can't believe that is what is killing it. I have no hope of fix it without being able to test and I don't have the OS or setup to even try.

--jdiner

[snoopy]

GREAT NEW IDEA,
Below is a snapshot of the errors with as much info as I could manage to get.

[jdiner]

What I don't understand is that it is a frelling bubblesort. I even removed the 2 standard modifications. (no changes and you stop, and since the last is always good you can short by one on each loop.) Too top it off a bubble sort is about 5 lines of code.

It works here everytime. I have never ever had a since crash on it.

So what could XP possibly be screwing up?

--jdiner

[HuMan321]

Josh,

Great work ...again!!!

MY machine locks up on sort also. Here is some input as to what I have and am running in case it yields a clue

Windows XP Service Pack 1 ...All critical updates
Tivo is at 2.52
Sony T60
2 120 gig drives
112 recordings in the now playing list
Tytools at default settings

Tivo was recording while I tried the sort.
I will try again after the recording is finished

Everything else I have tried so far works great.
Thanks again

[Hi8]

Originally posted by Stephen
Jdiner:

a VERY small issue that I had mentioned before maybe someone else has a answer on this issue. (And I DONT expect you to attempt to fix it) Does anyone else run tytools via a terminal server?

I quite often do some batches and work with Terminal server on a windows 2000 Advanced server box. Everything works properly EXCEPT for the when you hit the create IFO (The VERY last Create IFO) it closes out the tytools box. and you are back to haveing to reopen thee tytools box. You actually can NOT do this unless you are at the console of the box.

If I am at the console it works fine..

I use to run TS all the time (actually via an Aero 8000 Compaq WinCE )with TyTool, but not since I brought a laptop ho me to do some real work with it next to my recliner. I Never use TyTool to author DVD titlesets, I'm spoiled with DVDLab. I can run a few tests later this week end to see if I can duplicate.

[jdiner]

One more thought. Someone for whom the sorts are crashing please do the following:

1- Wipe out the c:\nowshowing.txt file
2- run tytool and refresh it just once.
3- Close tytool without crashing. i.e. don;t touch the sorts.
4- Zip up the new smaller c:\nowshowing.txt file.
5- Post said zip here for me to look at.
6- Wait patiently while I fight yet again with XP the bane of my existence.

--jdiner

[HuMan321]

Here You go Josh
Zipped up NowShowing.txt

[jdiner]

Ummm. You forgot to attach it.

--jdiner

[snoopy]

Originally posted by jdiner
One more thought. Someone for whom the sorts are crashing please do the following:

1- Wipe out the c:\nowshowing.txt file
2- run tytool and refresh it just once.
3- Close tytool without crashing. i.e. don;t touch the sorts.
4- Zip up the new smaller c:\nowshowing.txt file.
5- Post said zip here for me to look at.
6- Wait patiently while I fight yet again with XP the bane of my existence.

--jdiner

I did get another error using the updated 8r1a SO...

Attached is the nowshowing.txt file from the original 8r1 before doing the sorts and closed using file/exit.

[TRILIGHT]

Here ya go...

[bwperez]

From TyTool docs: "At present you can only have 2 total vobs in 1 show. I have never seen a need for more than this and it seemed pointless to spend the time for a 1 in a million occurance."

Hmm. I have two programs where I need to string together 3 files... I should go play the lottery :-)

I suppose I just make them menu selections.

Thanks for the GREAT tool.

Brian

[jdiner]

What lead to 3 segments? I have only a dozen times even had any mention having to split things up.

You want 3 in there. Use the make.bat that Tytool poduces. Edit to add the 3rd and run it again. You will get all 3 in there.

--jdiner

[Pro-289]

My 8r1a also still crashes while trying a sort. Using XP Pro without SP1, and haven't done updates since June 14. I also have Visual Studio 6.0 installed.

I noticed the open/cancel/open/cancel bug in GOP editor is now fixed. ;)

When I create a VOB Link and try to align the text 'Right', it doesn't go to the right side of the screen like the Menu Title does when aligned 'Right'. Also the VOB Link 'Center' isn't screen centered either. Was it supposed to be this way?

I get the following text in the status box while Refreshing. Is it normal?
Getting NowShowing data...
Total Size = 4406kbytes in 10.031000 seconds...
Unknown tag <166>
tag data <t 18 07:59:03 tcl[314]: Tcl created pool of 1458176 bytes>

[jdiner]

Originally posted by Pro-289
I noticed the open/cancel/open/cancel bug in GOP editor is now fixed. ;)

Yeah. There was something that could get out of sync by quiting in the middle of the process dealing with the system requestor. That was all cleaned up. Guess I forgot to put it into the todo list way back when.


When I create a VOB Link and try to align the text 'Right', it doesn't go to the right side of the screen like the Menu Title does when aligned 'Right'. Also the VOB Link 'Center' isn't screen centered either. Was it supposed to be this way?

A cell is a cell is a cell. They each have a default size and location. By default there are 2 columns. The left,center,right justify refer to standard text alignment within the cell not the screen. Try 3 cells one left, one center, and one right then hit preview and you will see the difference. As mentioned in the docs there is NO WAY in tytool current to change the location of a cell. You must use a template to do that.

The menu title cell is very different. It is cover the whole screen as the text was larger and it was originally designed to stretch from far left to far right.

If you want cells in the middle of the screen make a template file, with them in the middle and then load "center.tmp" and presto you will ahve things in the center. If you want them on the right hand edge of the screen load the the right6.tmp that was shipped with TyTool and like magic they will be on the right hand side.


I get the following text in the status box while Refreshing. Is it normal?
Getting NowShowing data...
Total Size = 4406kbytes in 10.031000 seconds...
Unknown tag <166>
tag data <t 18 07:59:03 tcl[314]: Tcl created pool of 1458176 bytes>

No that should not be happening but it does and it is what is causing some of the errors including some of the shutdown issues people are having on load.

Grab the latest version and while it might still report that string on occasion it should stop any processing errors dealing with the NowShowing list.

--jdiner

[jdiner]

No new downloads. Fine. Here I am still working on things at 2:46 am and my testers all seem to have gone to bed. Wimps!

Well since no one is around to test it I am going to call it a night too.

--jdiner

[Pro-289]

Originally posted by jdiner
No new downloads. Fine. Here I am still working on things at 2:46 am and my testers all seem to have gone to bed. Wimps!

Well since no one is around to test it I am going to call it a night too.I still be here. :D

For kicks I went to Win98SE, and 8r1a even crashed there too.

But looks like 8r1b solved the problem. Now works in Win98SE. Have to check in XP, but I'm sure it works there also. Good job. :)
edit: yup. werks in XP too.

[Hector]

What so no one's working the graveyard shift?

First time caller, long time listener. Big fan.

Ver 8R1B crashes on sorts on Win XP w/all updates and a SA Tivo.

I attached my nowshowing.txt as per note above.

BTW, thanks for a really spiffy upgrade.

Edited to add: As I think you have surmised it's not XP specific. On Win2k 8R1B terminates if I sort my Nowshowing.

peace...



Originally posted by jdiner
No new downloads. Fine. Here I am still working on things at 2:46 am and my testers all seem to have gone to bed. Wimps!

Well since no one is around to test it I am going to call it a night too.

--jdiner

[Agix]

The sorting did crash for me on 8r1 and 8r1a.

It works fine on 8r1b.

and my header of my nowshowing is
<166>Oct 18 14:55:19 tcl[20589]: Tcl created pool of 1458176 bytes


Not sure about any other issues yet.

Windows XP, with sp1 not updated completly to all patches
Hughes Tivo 2.5.2, 80 Hours or so

[cobbmtn1]

Josh,

Lurker to now but have enjoyed your programs and dedication to your Tytool project enormously. Without your Tytool project, I doubt that I would have ever bought a Turbonet card to extract video from my DTivo. Since it worked so well, now I have two, of course.

Like a number of other happy Tytool users, the sort feature crashed on my "up to date hotfixed" WinXP machine. I didn't get a chance to try r1a but I can tell you that the sort feature is working great on my machine with r1b.

Thanks again for all your hard work on this project. I believe a number of my friends would say "thank you" also since they also benefit from the DVD's that I create.

Keep up the wonderful work.

Cobbmtn1

[snoopy]

I have attached a good copy of the nowshowing.txt file before sorting, and closed using file/exit as before. This nowshowing.txt file comes from the updated TyTool 8r1b. Great work as usual!

[tictoc2]

jdiner,


Thanks for the quick fix to the "group by" function qith tytool8r1b.
It works perfectly on my side now! I went to bed early last night, wasn't feeling too good. Needless to say, I think I have one of those "24hr flu bugs". But, I was excited today to check out the thread and you did it again! Thanks a bunch!! Now I'm going to go lay back down...

tictoc2

[snoopy]

I noticed something along the way that might be worthy of mention. It seems, when I originally messed with my Tivo trying to get the extended file names, I started getting an "unknown tag" error specified at the bottom of the jpg I attached. It didn't seem to really hurt anything so I left the issue alone. Whatever jdiner did seems to have taken that away and it seems like the list comes up faster also. At any rate, from a stability standpoint, it really seems like it might have fixed more than the sorting issue.

[jmhenry5150]

Here's a quick one for you...

If there are more than 12 elements when creating a menu, how is that handled?

I havn't tried it yet - I was just curious as I will have to have 13 elements for most of my THAT '70's Show discs...

Thanks josh!!!!!

[jdiner]

Originally posted by Hector

I attached my nowshowing.txt as per note above.

BTW, thanks for a really spiffy upgrade.

Edited to add: As I think you have surmised it's not XP specific. On Win2k 8R1B terminates if I sort my Nowshowing.

Yours is a completely different error and much easier to find and fix. That Superbowl clips has a ton of FSIDs in it and there was an unfixed buffer issue when things just got to large...

--jdiner

[jdiner]

Originally posted by jmhenry5150
Here's a quick one for you...

If there are more than 12 elements when creating a menu, how is that handled?

I havn't tried it yet - I was just curious as I will have to have 13 elements for most of my THAT '70's Show discs...

Thanks josh!!!!!
Read the docs please. I list this stuff in there.

By default you still can't do it. The default is what it always was. You have 12 fields, 1 title, a teal background.

You must make a template. Add another cell to the template. Add a 3 column whatever... Change the number of cells in the template to 13 or 18 or whatever applies and then load it in.

At that point you can have up 100 elements on the menu. But they will have to be single character names to make them all fit on the display...

--jdiner

[HuMan321]

Josh,

I had sorting problems with 8r1 with Windows XP

The sorting works perfect with 8r1c
Thanks again!

[Hector]

8r1c solved my sort issue.

The Super Bowl at Best with all the trimmings was a 13+ gig file and which by the way thanks to your cool tools has found it's way on to 3 DVDs (1st half, 2nd half and an extras disc :)

Thanks again for creating tools that make this possible.

peace...


Originally posted by jdiner
Yours is a completely different error and much easier to find and fix. That Superbowl clips has a ton of FSIDs in it and there was an unfixed buffer issue when things just got to large...

--jdiner

[jdiner]

Well good news that then. Looks like one more major issue is down.

Now onto something else. There are is a new problem, damage if you will, in the DTV stream. It has only cropped up in the last month or so. I know what it is but have not had the time to fix it. I believe I will work on that next.

For those that have seen it, it manifests itself as a failure in the audio. You reach a point in the tystream where TyTool reports a reset and then there is no more audio to the very end of the file.

This one is weird. If I was paranoid I would say that this was actually added in an attempt to try and stop us from doing what we do. But I don't honestly believe that or it would happen more often. Which makes me think it is just a change in how they do what they do and th side-effect cause some issues for us.

--jdiner

[maule]

just to let you know that on my xp sp1 with all the up-to-date crap from m$ both version b and c work wonderfully and sort with no problems. thanks for all your efforts.

[TRILIGHT]

Hey jdiner! Sorry for just now getting back to ya. It's been a madhouse this weekend. Just tried out 8r1c and it works like a champ! It's a really GREAT feature to have too!! Thanks for killing this problem quickly!

[eastwind]

Anyone else running into this?

I've so far only tested in PowerDVD, not on a settop player, but when I select a show and it finishes playing it does not return to the Menu. I'll have to burn an RW and try it out on the settop player.

ew

[cspot]

Anything of significance for TyTools in this update regarding post above?

0.5.4: October 4, 2003
vobu pointers only point within a cell -- fixes chapter playback for some players (thanks to <selva at mailaps dot org> )
fix uninitialized variable hasseqend (thanks to <selva at mailaps dot org> )
read button color index information from palette file (thanks to <selva at mailaps dot org> )
fix handling of vobus without video (thanks to <selva at mailaps dot org> )
fix handling of audio sectors that are outside the pts range of the vobu (thanks to <selva at mailaps dot org> )
compute pts based on frame counts (handles 3:2 correctly)
fix incorrect NTSC fps (29.97 instead of 29.97002997.....)
fix discontinuity flag on TMAP -- should be on all chapters, not just vob boundaries, also should be set for future discontinuity, not past
compute audio gap (for AC3 and MP2 only...)
fix handling of field encoded video
allow post commands on menus
fix subtitles that have packets within 6 bytes of a sector (thanks to <panteltje> )
allow specification of button movement (thanks to Mark Rages)

[bato]

jdiner: I created keys for over 15 mpg files (with 8r1 and 1c) and just get 1 that always crash tytool, what is weird is that each version of TyTool crash in different spot but same version always on same spot, look:
ver - MB - chunk- key size
7r8 - 517 - 4140 - 60871
7r10 - 739 - 5910 - 89153
8r1 - 551 - 4410 - 64795
8r1c - 582 - 4650 - 68901 From a 1GB file.

What can I do to help you debug this problem?

[bato]

I created 6 key files in local dir, then I set the output dir because I want my mpg files to be created in other disk with more space, created 8 new keys and those keys were created in output dir. Now I want to edit keys and only the 6 key files in the local dir show.

So I decided to move all key files from local dir to output dir and now TyTool doesn't show any (because they are not in the local dir). I changed dir, open key, edit, created mpg file ok.

How about an option to only show key files (to edit) in local and output dir at same time? Or option so the output dir is only for mpg/vob files? Just an idea, I can work this way ok. Thanks.

[bato]

I think this was reported before, I was near the end of the file (58min 53sec from a 1hr show) and I pressed number 6 (jump 180sec), so because there are no 180sec left in this file GOP editor locks up without responding.

[jdiner]

Originally posted by eastwind
Anyone else running into this?

I've so far only tested in PowerDVD, not on a settop player, but when I select a show and it finishes playing it does not return to the Menu. I'll have to burn an RW and try it out on the settop player.

It never has. There is bug in DVDAuthor. I have been working things over with the author.

--jdiner

[jdiner]

Originally posted by bato
jdiner: I created keys for over 15 mpg files (with 8r1 and 1c) and just get 1 that always crash tytool, what is weird is that each version of TyTool crash in different spot but same version always on same spot, look:
ver - MB - chunk- key size
7r8 - 517 - 4140 - 60871
7r10 - 739 - 5910 - 89153
8r1 - 551 - 4410 - 64795
8r1c - 582 - 4650 - 68901 From a 1GB file.

What can I do to help you debug this problem?
The source was an mpeg file?

That code didn't get touched between 7r10 and 8r1. And definately not between 8r1 and 8r1c. Something else is going on in your machine. I always get exactly the same file sizes on every run.

--jdiner

[jdiner]

Originally posted by bato
I created 6 key files in local dir, then I set the output dir because I want my mpg files to be created in other disk with more space, created 8 new keys and those keys were created in output dir. Now I want to edit keys and only the 6 key files in the local dir show.

So I decided to move all key files from local dir to output dir and now TyTool doesn't show any (because they are not in the local dir). I changed dir, open key, edit, created mpg file ok.

How about an option to only show key files (to edit) in local and output dir at same time? Or option so the output dir is only for mpg/vob files? Just an idea, I can work this way ok. Thanks.
No. Sorry. I don't like that idea at all. What you are seeing is directory browser. Not "an available file" list. Pulling from multiple dirs at the same time breaks everything I was trying to do in that completely.

It is not that hard to switch directories. I have to do the same thing when I am building here at home.

--jdiner

[jdiner]

Alright 8r2 is out. Includes all of the fixes of 8r1c and the new gop fix.

Thanks to bato for pointing out what the actual error was. Then it was 1 line of new code to fix.

Not more outstanding bugs that I know of right now.

--jdiner

[bato]

Originally posted by jdiner
The source was an mpeg file?

That code didn't get touched between 7r10 and 8r1. And definately not between 8r1 and 8r1c. Something else is going on in your machine. I always get exactly the same file sizes on every run.

--jdiner Yep, the source is mpg file, it always crash, what I mean is that (for this mpg file):
version 7r8 always crash at 517MB, chunk 4140 and only write 60871K key file (because it crashed).
version 7r10 always crash at 739MB, chunk 5910 and only write 89153K key file (because it crashed).
version 8r1 always crash at 551MB, chunk 4410 and only write 64795K key file (because it crashed).
version 8r1c always crash at 582MB, chunk 4650 and only write 68901K key file (because it crashed).

So that looked like an error that always show. Maybe my machin, I'll reboot, the weird thing is that I did 14 shows before this one and 3 shows after without problems. I can select make key again with this file and depending on version will crash at same exact point.

[bato]

Originally posted by jdiner
No. Sorry. I don't like that idea at all. What you are seeing is directory browser. Not "an available file" list. Pulling from multiple dirs at the same time breaks everything I was trying to do in that completely.

It is not that hard to switch directories. I have to do the same thing when I am building here at home.

--jdiner No problem, I can find my way with the browser and it works (key in local or output), was thinking with a newbie in mind, I can see someone ask that he created key files and they not show when want to edit. Maybe this can go in a future newbie FAQ.

[tivomaster]

Josh I love the new menu option (among a host of other things I love about the new version).

Thanks a bunch

I worked on a template for Enterprise. It is pretty simplistic but it works and looks good. I am attaching it.

PS: I didn't do the graphics I got them from here (http://www.khitomer.net/index.php?page=news&PHPSESSID=e51adbc0eb67ea610f28bb824c889a5f) .

Thanks again.... You da man!!!!!

[gobsmack]

Originally posted by jdiner
Well good news that then. Looks like one more major issue is down.

Now onto something else. There is a new problem, damage if you will, in the DTV stream. It has only cropped up in the last month or so. I know what it is but have not had the time to fix it. I believe I will work on that next.

For those that have seen it, it manifests itself as a failure in the audio. You reach a point in the tystream where TyTool reports a reset and then there is no more audio to the very end of the file.

This one is weird. If I was paranoid I would say that this was actually added in an attempt to try and stop us from doing what we do. But I don't honestly believe that or it would happen more often. Which makes me think it is just a change in how they do what they do and th side-effect cause some issues for us.

--jdiner

Josh,

First: awesome job with v8 -- even the little things like Group By are really appreciated! This has gone from great to fantastic. Pat yourself on the back.

Second, I've had some tys crash (as you know) -- and I'm wondering how to go about:
- diagnosing them -- did they exhibit this problem?
- fixing them
---- I've noticed that some can be "fixed" by re-downloading the files (i.e., glitch caused by the get process/tivo busy)
-----I'm wondering if TySplit can be used to remove the offending part of a stream.

Any tips on diagnoses/fixes? What do you do when you encounter a bad .ty?

Thanks!

[HuMan321]

Having lots of fun with the new release.

Couple of things I have noticed...

Made a dvd-rw with 3 movies on it.
2 with mgeg audio and the 3rd was Dolby Digital
All played from the same disk (Couldn't do this with DVDLAb)

I used the right6.tmp menu. I right justified my text for asthetics and it showed good on the computer. On my TV however it was cut off. I remember Josh mentioning this problem and was working on it.

The audio sync is perfect throuout the 3 movies.

I noticed one problem in skimming through the 3 movies.
I made chapter breaks of 10 minutes each on each movie.
On one show I had an instance where the scene "skipped and played over the same 10 second scene twice.
Also in another spot at the last chapter it stuck in a loop and kept playing the same 10 second spot over and over. I had to bump up the chapter to get past it.

I checked this movie in power dvd and the problem was not there. I played it as just the mpeg (?) file generated with the TyTool VOB/muxer and I played it from the video_ts folder that the ifo process created.

The chapters did not work in PowerDVD, but it did not repeat or loop either. Could it be the Nero I am burning with? It is version 6.0.0.0 Must have happened in the ifo potion when making chapters??? I Don't know...

Mine also does not go back to the title screen as mentioned. On my player I must start one of the movies playing before it will allow me to select Title screen to go back to the menu.

Love the bitmap background!!!
Thanks Josh

[captain_video]

I just tried the latest version of TyTool8r2 and uploaded the corresponding NowShowing.tcl and tserver_mfs7 files to my DTivo and chmodded both of them. Now when I try to get the Now Showing list it indicates that it is unable to obtain the list. I checked the Networking options using both single and double socket modes and also selected Refresh Network Addresses. The only IP address that shows up does not correspond to either my DTivo or my router which is probably why I can't get the NowShowing list. Selecting the Refresh Newtork Addresses doesn't seem to be doing anything and I can't get either of the correct addresses to display. I've done the refresh with both tserver_mfs7 running and with it off but nothing is changing. What am I missing. I've looked through the threads but couldn't spot anything of any help. A search also came up empty.

[jdiner]

Originally posted by bato
So that looked like an error that always show. Maybe my machin, I'll reboot, the weird thing is that I did 14 shows before this one and 3 shows after without problems. I can select make key again with this file and depending on version will crash at same exact point.
No I was thinking of a TyStream. Should have been the same size everytime.

WHere are you getting the mpeg file from? What is the source and the mechanism for it's creation? I have tested a ton of my own mpegs and everything always works fine. I kind of tailored it that way as that is what I understand the best.

--jdiner

[jdiner]

Originally posted by tivomaster
Josh I love the new menu option (among a host of other things I love about the new version).

I worked on a template for Enterprise. It is pretty simplistic but it works and looks good. I am attaching it.

Excellent. This is exactly the kind of thing I was hoping people would start to spread. And since I am about to make a set of disks from enterprise the timing is perfect... :)

I would like to set up a web site to handle these. Something a little less forum oriented than here. But as I have stated before I am not a web programmer. Anyone know of anything that would provide for thumbnails and then a way to download with counters etc... I could write the CGI server, program wise but making it user friendly and look good, well...

FredThompson offered to help on the whole thing but indicated limited bandwidth etc... So I am open to suggestions by one and all.

--jdiner

[bato]

Originally posted by jdiner
WHere are you getting the mpeg file from? What is the source and the mechanism for it's creation? I have tested a ton of my own mpegs and everything always works fine. I kind of tailored it that way as that is what I understand the best.

--jdiner Is from a dishplayer. Dishrip is the software to rip the files, the output is m2v/m2a files that I mux with mplex or TMPGEnc. This particular file was muxed with mplex (along with other 18).

My problem is that I deleted the original files because the sync was perfect and my space left is very low, so I can't mux that with TMPGEnc. I'll mux more files and test again to see if I can find the same problem with TMPGEnc muxed files.

[bato]

What can I do with an error like this?:
.Q: ACK!!! Got a -1L PTS == == B - (-1) - 13:15:21.858
........ 100......... 200......... 300......... 400......... 500
......... 600......... 700......... 800......... 900......... 1000
.... EDIT: it created a 58MB file (instead the normal 700) and I played with PowerDVD5, is only audio and black screen without any cut.

[jdiner]

Originally posted by HuMan321

I used the right6.tmp menu. I right justified my text for asthetics and it showed good on the computer. On my TV however it was cut off. I remember Josh mentioning this problem and was working on it.

Yeah. I never did fix those before release. The problem was that I just guessed when I made the cell bounding boxes. I had everything centered at the time and it "always" looked good. But now that you can do things that I have seen the same.

I am working on a few TyStream issues and I have a visual Template builder in the works. LowLevel component coding in Win32 is always fun. :) Once this tool is ready to hit the streets it will be much much easier to get the box sizes correct.

It has all the features I want and what I figure most will too.

Multi-cell selection.
Alignment of groups.
Shows the BMP in the background (on a toggle)
Preview font type and size selections etc...
Shows the bounding frames as calculated by myself and pro-289.
Unlimited undo.
Redo capabilities.
Grid and snap to grid features.

It has been an interested piece of work.


The chapters did not work in PowerDVD, but it did not repeat or loop either. Could it be the Nero I am burning with? It is version 6.0.0.0 Must have happened in the ifo potion when making chapters??? I Don't know...

I have seen this behaviour only when running in Nero 6.0.0.0 and higher. There are other problems with versions that where in the 5 series. I know of only 2 that were good all the way around. 5.5.10.7 and 5.5.10.22 (or maybe it was just 20...)

I still use 5.5.10.7 as it works perfectly everytime. It does fail on a few strange things with CD-Roms but I don't burn those often on this machine. :)


Mine also does not go back to the title screen as mentioned. On my player I must start one of the movies playing before it will allow me to select Title screen to go back to the menu.

That is a bug in the DVAuthor program. As mentioned recently I have been in contact with the author, Scott Smith, quite a bit. And he is trying to solve the problem. He has already fixed one problem and hopefully we will get this next one fixed too.

I for one want it to go back to the menu but it crashes all of the software players I have including mplayer under unix which is his personal target.

--jdiner

[jdiner]

Originally posted by captain_video
I just tried the latest version of TyTool8r2 and uploaded the corresponding NowShowing.tcl and tserver_mfs7 files to my DTivo and chmodded both of them. Now when I try to get the Now Showing list it indicates that it is unable to obtain the list.

have you tried running the NowShowing.tcl file directly?

tivosh ./NowShowing.tcl

MAKE SURE YOU ARE NOT RECORDING WHEN YOU DO THIS. AS WITHOUT THE PRIORITY CHANGE IT WILL CAUSE THE TIVO TO SKIP.

I know it runs. I uploaded it right before the release as I was testing things. So my best guess would be transfer issues or Tivo IP address issues.


The only IP address that shows up does not correspond to either my DTivo or my router which is probably why I can't get the NowShowing list.

No. That address is for the client machine. The docs state that it is for people that have more than 1 NIC in their PC. Often a modem, cable modem or DSL modem and then an ethernet nic for the local loop to any other machines or the tivo. TyTool would grab the first address and if it was the outbound link rather than the local loop you could not see the tivo. Now you pick the local address you want to use, the local loop.

1- Verify the Tivo IP in the TyTool gui.

2- Verify that they tserver_mfs7 program is running.

3- Try running NowShowing.tcl manually.

4- Then try telnet into the tserver program. On a unix box "telnet <Tivo IP> 3565" under windows use a telnet client and set the port to 3565.

Type in a string and hit return. Watch the server output from the tivo. Did it see it? Did you connect? etc...

5- shutdown, a full power off, both tivo and PC. This is to make sure any lingering network information is flushed.

--jdiner

[bato]

jdiner: you don't have to spend time to track problems with these mpeg files right now, I know you have many things to do and I bet I am the only one using TyTool with this type of mpegs.

[jdiner]

Originally posted by bato
Is from a dishplayer. Dishrip is the software to rip the files, the output is m2v/m2a files that I mux with mplex or TMPGEnc. This particular file was muxed with mplex (along with other 18).

My problem is that I deleted the original files because the sync was perfect and my space left is very low, so I can't mux that with TMPGEnc. I'll mux more files and test again to see if I can find the same problem with TMPGEnc muxed files.
It crashes in different places within the file? I don't get it.

It shouldn't do that. UNless you were running out of disk space or memory during the process. But that should just cause it to stop not crash out.

If you want to put the file on a CD/DVD and mail it to me I will take a look at it at some point. Given that it is happening in various places in the file I will need the whole thing rather than just a chunk. UNless you can find a chunk that causes things to die everytime.

--jdiner

[jdiner]

Originally posted by bato
What can I do with an error like this?:
.Q: ACK!!! Got a -1L PTS == == B - (-1) - 13:15:21.858
........ 100......... 200......... 300......... 400......... 500
......... 600......... 700......... 800......... 900......... 1000
.... EDIT: it created a 58MB file (instead the normal 700) and I played with PowerDVD5, is only audio and black screen without any cut.
That is not good. What can you do. Nothing at this point. That means the state machine got fully off. A lost frame, definately a mess up.

It won't recover from that. It can't. Something make it all the way through the mpeg splitting proces with out being identified in any way (B is the default type for the error message).

--jdiner

[bato]

Originally posted by jdiner
It crashes in different places within the file? I don't get it. That's the weird part, it crashes in the same place with the same version, if I use other version it crashes in other place, but that place everytime I use that version. Very weird.

Let me do more tests, I hope I can find better information.

[nsysblh]

Any chance of adding support for opening .tmf files directly in tytool?

I'm using mfs_ftp to transfer, and sometimes I want to extract...sometimes I want to insert on another tivo. And sometimes it would be good to be able to do either one without knowing beforehand the best format to extract the files.

I know I can rename the .tmf file to .tar and open with anything that opens .tar files to pull out part00.ty and then process that. I also know that mfs_ftp will re-insert the .ty files. However the recording name is the same as the put filename until the entire transfer is finished and it knows what to call it. If the process crashes in the middle, it is a pain to delete the partial recording. Inserfing .tmf files uses the orignal data since it is send first and not last. So, it looks like the show is recording from a tuner, just as it did the first time.

However, it'd be easier just to build the keyframe and cut files directly from .tmf file (actually the part00.ty file in the .tmf file) and then use process single file to generate the .mpg file (or the elemental streams)

All that should have to be added is a small routine to validate the tar header in the .tmf file and seek to the correct spot where the .ty file is in the archive.

Brandon

[Pr.Sinister]

Hi Josh, Hi everyone,

Long time since i posted here. Been extremely busy with new responsibilities at work and i haven't had much time to play with my TiVo.

I just got caught up with some threads that interest me and now i am almost up-to-date. Just need to try out all this new knowledge :D

I have all episodes of Most Extreme Elimination Challenge as
TyStreams and i want to create DVD's and SVCD's of all the shows.

I started playing with DVD-Lab and that's working pretty nicely
for me but i am having a problem with the SVCDs.

If i set the option to VCD/SVCD Mux Output and use the Split
Multiplex File(s), only the 1st MPEG created is Muxed that way.
All the others are muxed with Standard Mux Output.

Now i do not know when this "bug" was introduced or if it ever
worked in TyTool but it definately is there now. Just to let you
know. It probably is a quick fix but i can live with only making
DVD's for now (2 of my 3 DVD players will only play SVCDs if it is
muxed as SVCD and not Standard).

I must say this, i am very impressed with all the work you have
put into this little puppy. TyTool is incredibly mature and it's hard
to believe all that you have done on your own! Keep up the GREAT
work!

P.S. I'm sure that with all the coding you do, you don't have much
time to relax, have a good laugh, or go to the gym if you are so
inclined. I have a remedy for you : Watch Most Extreme Elimination
Challenge on Spike TV (Ch. 325). It is the funniest show on TV.
It's hard to explain what the show is but you will laugh so much
that you will get an incredible Ab Workout! :)

-Pr.

[jdiner]

Originally posted by nsysblh
Any chance of adding support for opening .tmf files directly in tytool?

I don't have any tmf files to test with.

--jdiner

[jdiner]

Originally posted by Pr.Sinister

If i set the option to VCD/SVCD Mux Output and use the Split
Multiplex File(s), only the 1st MPEG created is Muxed that way.
All the others are muxed with Standard Mux Output.

Hummm. Sounds like a big crept in. The flag used to be passed from class to class as it processed. Must be getting dropped now. It will get fixes and probably released in the next version.

--jdiner

[TRILIGHT]

Originally posted by Pr.Sinister
Watch Most Extreme Elimination
Challenge on Spike TV (Ch. 325). It is the funniest show on TV.
It's hard to explain what the show is but you will laugh so much
that you will get an incredible Ab Workout! :)

Have to agree with ya there! MXC is some funny stuff. :D

[xxxx]

I don't think this has been mentioned before but on my PC screen at 800x600, using 8r2, the video image nearly fills the GopEditor window (and the screen) to the extent that the controls on the right are half missing. The window can't be resized or scrolled and I can't see any keyboard shortcuts for setting the beginning and end of cuts so it is impossible to use the editor without changing the screen resolution. This didn't happen on 7r10 as the video image was much smaller.

Could the video image be changed to half its length on each axis (quarter area), or the window made resizable and scrollable, please?

If my description isn't clear then I'll post a screen grab.

TIA.

[Pro-289]

Done a few more tests with the color palette. Here's my updated finding if it helps in any way. Must name the palette file .RGB for use in dvdauthor.
----
000000
000000
000000
000000
FFFFFF = Highlighted
000000
000000
FF0000 = Selected
000000
000000
000000
000000
000000
000000
000000
0000FF = Not Highlighted

070005 = Highlighted Button Area Mask
2nd # = Palette Color # To Use (0-F)
6th # = Mask Brightness

040005 = Selected Button Area Mask
2nd # = Palette Color # To Use (0-F)
6th # = Mask Brightness
----
Colors 17 & 18 are the mask values. They could be used for an effect like a selection bar.

[jdiner]

Originally posted by xxxx
I don't think this has been mentioned before but on my PC screen at 800x600, using 8r2, the video image nearly fills the GopEditor window (and the screen) to the extent that the controls on the right are half missing. The window can't be resized or scrolled and I can't see any keyboard shortcuts for setting the beginning and end of cuts so it is impossible to use the editor without changing the screen resolution. This didn't happen on 7r10 as the video image was much smaller.

Search the forum.

There have been keyboard shortcuts since the begining.

Check the menu they are listed right there next to the name of the command.

home = Mark the start of a cut
end = Mark the end of a cut
del = Add it to the cut list

And if 800x600 is the highest res you have. Get a new computer.

--jdiner

[jdiner]

Well another sleepness night. Never had insomnia before the last couple of weeks. Can't say that it is any fun. I am so tired I can't drive safely and yet I can't sleep.

Anyway, the quality of the DTV locals here in Utah sucks. Badly. So I tested transponder strength to see if I can see anything else here and nothing.

Maybe it is time to switch to a DishPlayer or something. I want a non-recompressing DVR I can extract from. I figure that means Digital cable with some as yet unknown to me device or Dish. Maybe I should have spent more time on TyTool's support for dish files.

--jdiner

[Hi8]

Josh;

thanks so much for your work on this. It has been something I look forward to, a NEW release of TyTool.

I did see something that I'm not sure is a bug, but here goes.

After I started an extraction, I then started snooping around the menus, and saw the new sort by group feature, humm I said...

I had already skipped around the NowShowing list to pick the programs I wanted to extract and they were downloading at the time. I selected "Group by Title" and sure enough, the list was sorted by Title perfectly (cool) but I noticed two things, one the shows I had selected, nolonger were hilighted, and the [DELETE] button was nolonger grey'd out. So I said multi threading? to myself! as it was able to browse the menus fine... so I went through the Nowshowing list, selected a few files, and hit the [DELETE] button. TyTool stopped downloading, cursor went to hourglass and kinda locked up, no it locked up.

Anyway great job, hope you are sleeping now not reading this message ;-)

I also have a couple of requests for future releases.

1.) AutoBot mode. To run in a scheduled time mode; that would connect to TiVo and look for any shows it didn't have and extract them, or by keyword in Title. This way for those that have tserver_mfs running all the time, you could just have TyTool loaded up on yourPC and while you are at work, or sleeping (sorry) it would grab anything new.

2.) a post process option, to automatically create .key files if the extraction was a .ty -- as any time I extract in .ty file mode - I ALWAYS have to create the .key as a separtate step.

Also you had mentioned in a previous reply, that you had changed the "Process single file" to allow batch processing. I still see that as a Single file only in the menu.

Thanks again....

[captain_video]

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Originally posted by captain_video
I just tried the latest version of TyTool8r2 and uploaded the corresponding NowShowing.tcl and tserver_mfs7 files to my DTivo and chmodded both of them. Now when I try to get the Now Showing list it indicates that it is unable to obtain the list.

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have you tried running the NowShowing.tcl file directly?

tivosh ./NowShowing.tcl

MAKE SURE YOU ARE NOT RECORDING WHEN YOU DO THIS. AS WITHOUT THE PRIORITY CHANGE IT WILL CAUSE THE TIVO TO SKIP.

I know it runs. I uploaded it right before the release as I was testing things. So my best guess would be transfer issues or Tivo IP address issues.


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The only IP address that shows up does not correspond to either my DTivo or my router which is probably why I can't get the NowShowing list.

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No. That address is for the client machine. The docs state that it is for people that have more than 1 NIC in their PC. Often a modem, cable modem or DSL modem and then an ethernet nic for the local loop to any other machines or the tivo. TyTool would grab the first address and if it was the outbound link rather than the local loop you could not see the tivo. Now you pick the local address you want to use, the local loop.

1- Verify the Tivo IP in the TyTool gui.

2- Verify that they tserver_mfs7 program is running.

3- Try running NowShowing.tcl manually.

4- Then try telnet into the tserver program. On a unix box "telnet <Tivo IP> 3565" under windows use a telnet client and set the port to 3565.

Type in a string and hit return. Watch the server output from the tivo. Did it see it? Did you connect? etc...

5- shutdown, a full power off, both tivo and PC. This is to make sure any lingering network information is flushed.

--jdiner

OK, now this is kinda weird. I tried running the NowShowing.tcl file manually and got the same results. However, when I replaced the new NowShowing.tcl file with the one I had been using with tserver_mfs6, everything works like it's supposed to while using tserver_mfs7. I just printed out the release notes for 8r2 last night before I went to bed and haven't had a chance to look them over yet. Now that you told me about the client IP address that part makes sense. The address I'm seeing matches the one assigned by the router for my PC. Heck, it was getting late and I'd been downing a few brewskies while watching the toob so it probably wasn't the best time to be experimenting with the latest version of TyTools. A new day and a couple of cups of coffee works wonders for my perception.

[CptKirk]

I've got a bunch of files that I processed the key files using 7r10, just haven't gotten around to complete everything else yet.

When I try to open the 7r10 key files with 8r2 I get the following error message:

ERROR: Intput fle d:\...\dbz1.ty.key is NOT GOP Editor Key File.

Any chance that you can make new revisions of GopEditor capable of reading older GopEditor key files?

[jdiner]

Originally posted by Hi8

I did see something that I'm not sure is a bug, but here goes.

After I started an extraction, I then started snooping around the menus, and saw the new sort by group feature, humm I said...


I can tell you right now that this was a bad idea. The server and TyTool in reguards to it's communication with the serve is a single threaded process. You locked up tyTool because you changed it's state in the middle of doing something. The tserver will be just fine. unhappy about the problems with the link but it will recover. TyTool however will be done for the count.

I thought I had locked up the whole gui when doing that kind of thing. But I just realized when reading this that many of the new options haven't been properly controlled.


Also you had mentioned in a previous reply, that you had changed the "Process single file" to allow batch processing. I still see that as a Single file only in the menu.

I had to roll a few things back looking for an error elsewhere. That one just never got put back in. It was a simple change to make and will be back in the next release.

--jdiner

[jdiner]

Originally posted by captain_video
However, when I replaced the new NowShowing.tcl file with the one I had been using with tserver_mfs6, everything works like it's supposed to while using tserver_mfs7.
There where only a few things added between the 8r1 release and the mfs6 point. The delete functionality was added/fixed. You won't be able to use that with that vesion. And the fix for the "3.0" to "3." releases.

If the stand alone file "NowShowing.tcl " wouldn't run then it sounds like you need to re-upload it in a forced binary mode until it works right. Yo really do need the latest versions of these files.

--jdiner

[jdiner]

Originally posted by CptKirk
I've got a bunch of files that I processed the key files using 7r10, just haven't gotten around to complete everything else yet.

When I try to open the 7r10 key files with 8r2 I get the following error message:

ERROR: Intput fle d:\...\dbz1.ty.key is NOT GOP Editor Key File.

Any chance that you can make new revisions of GopEditor capable of reading older GopEditor key files?
No. Just rebuild the key file. it is a quick process.

YOU DO NOT NEED TO REDO THE CUT FILES. JUST THE KEY FILES. THEY NEED TO BE REMADE INTO THE LATEST VERSION FOR THE LATEST GOPEDITOR TO BE ABLE TO USE THEM. THAT KIND OF BACKWARDS COMPATIBILITY WOULD KILL ANY PROGRESS WITH THE TOOL.

However the key file is used only be the editor. If you alrady have the cut file then you can just mux/vob the ty streams without even needing a new .key file.

--jdiner

[captain_video]

If the stand alone file "NowShowing.tcl " wouldn't run then it sounds like you need to re-upload it in a forced binary mode until it works right. Yo really do need the latest versions of these files.

I uploaded the NowShowing.tcl file again, making sure it was transferred in binary mode. The newly uploaded version seems to be working fine. The original file must have gotten corrupted somehow. Thanks for the tips, josh.

[Pete Ruttman]

Ok, I am using Tytools from beginning to the point of a VIDEO_TS directory. I haven't tested one with v8 so my main experience with this problem would be with the last in the v7 line. I have had this problem throughout a number of the v7 versions no just the last one.

I am burning to ritek 4x discs on my pioneer 105 with Nero. I am noticing that on a number of my 1/2 hour cartoon episodes that I get occasional video glitches. This usually manifests itself as odd square shapes where the current movement in the frame occurs. It happens for just a few frames and clears up. My source files are from a S1 SA tivo using digital cable. Anyone see this type of thing regularly on SAs or directivo tys? I am pretty sure that these problems are not part of the original tivo version that I play from the tivo itself.


Any suggestions to fix it?

thanks,

Pete Ruttman

UPDATE: I see the glitches on both DVD players and in Power DVD.

[captain_video]

The glitches you're seeing is known as pixelisation and is quite common with DirecTV feeds from the satellites. I don't have digital cable but I suppose it could also be a common occurrence with it as well. Since both signal sources are digital it would seem logical that you could have similar types of glitches with both delivery systems. It's in the original signal source and has nothing to do with TyTool.

[Pete Ruttman]

I am hesitant to believe that it is in the source since I rarely, maybe once in the last 2 years, see it when I watch tv that is on the tivo. However, if I extract a show I get 1-4 glitches per half hour.

Now, I haven't watched a show on the tivo, extracted and burned to tivo and watched again so it is certainly possible that it could be just amazing luck that I don't see it on the tivo but it seems unlikely. I'll try to do this test in the future.

The big question is how many times do people see the directv glitch the captain mentioned in an hour show?


thanks,

Pete Ruttman

[jdiner]

Originally posted by Pete Ruttman
I am hesitant to believe that it is in the source since I rarely, maybe once in the last 2 years, see it when I watch tv that is on the tivo. However, if I extract a show I get 1-4 glitches per half hour.

Now, I haven't watched a show on the tivo, extracted and burned to tivo and watched again so it is certainly possible that it could be just amazing luck that I don't see it on the tivo but it seems unlikely. I'll try to do this test in the future.

I am working on this kind of thing right now. If you can cut me a small segment that has one and set it for me to get it I can take a look at it right now while I am working on the others.


The big question is how many times do people see the directv glitch the captain mentioned in an hour show?

On a bad channel I see it once a show or more. On a good one almost never. On a really bad night I will see it... a half a dozen times in 1 hour.

--jdiner

[jdiner]

Alright. TyTool8r3 and Vsplit 3.41 beta 1 are out.

These fix a few minor things:

1- The multi-file splitter option was re-enabled.

2- TMF files are now directly supported. No more need to untar them to try and use them in TyTool/VSplit.

3- The SVCD mux option failing in split mux'ing has been solved. A commented line crept in at some point and has been removed.

--jdiner

[carovery]

Hi

I don't know if anyone has a same problem or not but when I tried to do VOB-mux file the Tytools8r2 crashed. I tried an older version tytools7r10 it works fine. I'm running window XP.

Caro

[TRILIGHT]

Originally posted by carovery
I don't know if anyone has a same problem or not but when I tried to do VOB-mux file the Tytools8r2 crashed. I tried an older version tytools7r10 it works fine. I'm running window XP.

I don't really use the feature but I tried the option out on my system (XP) just to provide feedback. Seems to work fine on both 8r1c and 8r3.

[captain_video]

The big question is how many times do people see the directv glitch the captain mentioned in an hour show?

There are several factors involved that will affect this, one of which is the use of an Hu card for purposes that cannot be discussed here. Pixelisation is usually caused by dropouts or a weak signal due to interference (i.e. tree limbs, storm clouds, etc.) or other mitigating factors such as increased sunspot activity. If your dish is in an area where the signal strength is borderline (i.e. at or below 70 on all channels) then you can experience frequent pixelisation with minimal outside interference.

[jdiner]

Originally posted by carovery

I don't know if anyone has a same problem or not but when I tried to do VOB-mux file the Tytools8r2 crashed. I tried an older version tytools7r10 it works fine. I'm running window XP.

That code didn't change between the 2 versions.
Don't know what would cause it. You have to get TyFileSplit and the segment that causes the crash before I can do anything about it. I have produced several DVDs with the 8r food chain with no issues at all.

--jdiner

[HuMan321]

Originally posted by HuMan321
Having lots of fun with the new release.

Couple of things I have noticed...

Made a dvd-rw with 3 movies on it.
2 with mgeg audio and the 3rd was Dolby Digital
All played from the same disk (Couldn't do this with DVDLAb)

I used the right6.tmp menu. I right justified my text for asthetics and it showed good on the computer. On my TV however it was cut off. I remember Josh mentioning this problem and was working on it.

The audio sync is perfect throuout the 3 movies.

I noticed one problem in skimming through the 3 movies.
I made chapter breaks of 10 minutes each on each movie.
On one show I had an instance where the scene "skipped and played over the same 10 second scene twice.
Also in another spot at the last chapter it stuck in a loop and kept playing the same 10 second spot over and over. I had to bump up the chapter to get past it.

I checked this movie in power dvd and the problem was not there. I played it as just the mpeg (?) file generated with the TyTool VOB/muxer and I played it from the video_ts folder that the ifo process created.

The chapters did not work in PowerDVD, but it did not repeat or loop either. Could it be the Nero I am burning with? It is version 6.0.0.0 Must have happened in the ifo potion when making chapters??? I Don't know...

Mine also does not go back to the title screen as mentioned. On my player I must start one of the movies playing before it will allow me to select Title screen to go back to the menu.

Love the bitmap background!!!
Thanks Josh



I uninstalled my Nero 6.0.0.0 version and installed version5.5.10.7 as was suggested by Josh

My findings...
Burning with the earlier version I had the exact same problems with the repeat of video and the loop at the end.

I then changed the chapter option I selected in TyTools from every 10 minutes to every 30 minutes.
Murphys luck had it where the first problem (the video repeat) was at 60 minutes...so it was still a chapter point. The repeat of video at this point still happened but the loop of video went away.

I then redid the ifo without chapter points. I selected to have chapters put in at cut points. These were movies so they were only cut at the beginning and end.
The problem disappeared completely.

So the problem seemed to have happened with adding the chapters.

Anyone else seen anything like this?

Still having fun testing...

[gobsmack]

Originally posted by HuMan321
I uninstalled my Nero 6.0.0.0 version and installed version5.5.10.7 as was suggested by Josh

My findings...
Burning with the earlier version I had the exact same problems with the repeat of video and the loop at the end.

I then changed the chapter option I selected in TyTools from every 10 minutes to every 30 minutes.
Murphys luck had it where the first problem (the video repeat) was at 60 minutes...so it was still a chapter point. The repeat of video at this point still happened but the loop of video went away.

I then redid the ifo without chapter points. I selected to have chapters put in at cut points. These were movies so they were only cut at the beginning and end.
The problem disappeared completely.

So the problem seemed to have happened with adding the chapters.

Anyone else seen anything like this?

Still having fun testing...

Having very similar problems with chapters: for some reason, the cut points are not translating into chapter points. I've tested and re-tested. These are on files for which I did re-create the key files, and re-edit the commercials out.

Also having some probs (maybe with Nero) that I didn't have last week: the DVDs I'm creating aren't recognized by my PC as DVDs. A little patience and screwing around and I can get most any of the software players to actually play them, but not after about a dozen "please insert a disc" messages (when the DVD is sitting right there...).

EDIT: fixed -- I thought hard about what had changed/I had changed. Answer: had switched DVD burner from USB to firewire. Oddly, it isn't remounting volumes properly when connected via firewire. Has NOTHING to do with Josh's utilities. Now working just fine./EDIT

But, these problems aside, the gorgeous bmps I'm creating make these DVDs so damn good lookin, I just can't stand it...

[gobsmack]

Originally posted by captain_video
There are several factors involved that will affect this, one of which is the use of an Hu card for purposes that cannot be discussed here. Pixelisation is usually caused by dropouts or a weak signal due to interference (i.e. tree limbs, storm clouds, etc.) or other mitigating factors such as increased sunspot activity. If your dish is in an area where the signal strength is borderline (i.e. at or below 70 on all channels) then you can experience frequent pixelisation with minimal outside interference.

True, but.... bad block rate is as important as signal strength. You can amp the signal into the high 90s, put in so doing, push noise down the pipe so as to have a huge bad block rate. A good technician with good test equipment can help considerably in making a signal clean and powerful.

[jdiner]

Originally posted by gobsmack
Having very similar problems with chapters: for some reason, the cut points are not translating into chapter points. I've tested and re-tested. These are on files for which I did re-create the key files, and re-edit the commercials out.

Also having some probs (maybe with Nero) that I didn't have last week: the DVDs I'm creating aren't recognized by my PC as DVDs. A little patience and screwing around and I can get most any of the software players to actually play them, but not after about a dozen "please insert a disc" messages (when the DVD is sitting right there...).

But, these problems aside, the gorgeous bmps I'm creating make these DVDs so damn good lookin, I just can't stand it...
Hummm. One thing that did change was the quality setting. I wonder if that is having some obscure impact.

DvdAuthor was not changed or replaced for this release from 7r10. So there is nothing new there at all. :(

--jdiner

[jdiner]

Ok. That is annoying. A few changes coming.

Looking for a bitmap will soon open to start with in the templates directory. Since they are very closely tied together. I hadn't done it enough to realize how much that was going to grate on my nerves.

Also I have modified the basic templates to make sure things fit on my TV (best I can do there...) so new template files that should fit on the screen better are coming.

Another good idea. I am going to add another sorting mode. Sort by show, but then within that sort by date. Make it easier to see when and as they came in. (Amazing how perspectives change when you go from 40gig to 240gig... :)

--jdiner

[xxxx]

Originally posted by jdiner
Search the forum.
There have been keyboard shortcuts since the begining.

Check the menu they are listed right there next to the name of the command.

home = Mark the start of a cut
end = Mark the end of a cut
del = Add it to the cut list

My mistake. I misunderstood what was written in the menu and thought that these commands were also for adding and removing cuts. Thanks.


And if 800x600 is the highest res you have. Get a new computer.

My PC and screen can go to a much higher resolution, of course, but I prefer to have it in 800x600 because some Windows font settings can't be adjusted and give absurdly small lettering in any higher resolution. Also I need to use the same settings as most of my customers (800x600 is far and away the most common setting I find). The VB and VBA code I write must display properly on all possible resolution settings and I have to make sure that all windows are fully scrollable and re-sizeable. I spend more time doing that than making the things work in the first place. You're lucky not to have the same constraints. :)

Thanks for the effort you put into this software.

[FredThompson]

Josh,

Some time ago there were installation instructions with the tytool distribution. (you know, chmod 777 ...)

What happened to them? Or am I just confused?

[tictoc2]

Here you go. I happened to keep this..

[dasatelliteguy]

nm...:D

[jdiner]

Originally posted by xxxx

My mistake. I misunderstood what was written in the menu and thought that these commands were also for adding and removing cuts. Thanks.

No to remove a cut you already have you use the backspace key.

I will be making a few changes to think to try and get better keyoard support for a few things at some point in the near future.


My PC and screen can go to a much higher resolution, of course, but I prefer to have it in 800x600 because some Windows font settings can't be adjusted and give absurdly small lettering in any higher resolution. Also I need to use the same settings as most of my customers (800x600 is far and away the most common setting I find). The VB and VBA code I write must display properly on all possible resolution settings and I have to make sure that all windows are fully scrollable and re-sizeable. I spend more time doing that than making the things work in the first place. You're lucky not to have the same constraints. :)
[/B]
He. The benefits of it being a hobby I guess. I tried making the window resizable. But the results were not what I had expected. I need a certain amount of room for things to render properly. It could go smaller. But.... I tried rendering only the center of a frame when room got tight. Wasn't enough. If action is on the outside etc... you can't see it. Left and right had the same problem. Scaling made things look terribly wonky and at high speed that "off ness" of the picture made catching the commercials darn near impossible.

A forced scale in both direction helped a bit but the smaller the detail the harder again to catch things.

After all of that I just gave up and forced it to be fixed. It is obvious the code and display can scale as the changes between the various SA resolutions all work. But I couldn't find a free form scale I liked. So I just fixed it and left it at that.

--jdiner

[jdiner]

Another change coming in GopEditor. I have found that the 1 minute jump is way better than the 3. More control and I find that I am using it to scan through the show rather than the F5 key more often than not now.

So I am going to shift things. Here is what I am thinking.

1- Backwards 3 minutes
2- Backwards 2.5 minutes
3- Backwards 2.0 minutes
4- Backwards 1.5 minutes
5- Backwards 1.0 minutes

6- Forward 1.0 minutes
7- Forward 1.5 minutes
8- Forward 2.0 minutes
9- Forward 2.5 minutes
0- Forward 3.0 minutes

This way the 5 and 6 are "right under" the F4 and F5 keys. Thoughts? Anyone care either way?

--jdiner

[gobsmack]

Josh,

Thinking about how I used the keyboard to edit AND what tends to work from a typing (and gaming) perspective.

Here are my $0.02

Right hand on mouse/left hand on keyboard
Forwards - no modifier key
Backwards - left shift key
1 = 30 seconds
2 = 1 minute
3 = 2 minutes
4 = 5 minutes
5 = 10 minutes

For clicks, you no longer have to align with the buttons, just click anywhere with this approach:
left click = forwards one frame
right click = backwards one frame
Shift + left click = set the start of cut
Shift + right click = set the end cut
Shift + space = add cut

Playback still available with the F-keys (I really never use it).

One other visual indicator that would be REALLY helpful:
In the white space at the bottom right of the GOP editor, use:
- Green when no cut starts/ends are active
(green indicates this will be played back)
- Yellow when a start cut has been selected, but no end cut
(yellow - hey, we're getting ready to cut, but need an end point)
- Red when an end cut has been selected, but no start
(red - hey you may have screwed up, so be aware)
When the cut is added, you're back to green.

I edit and archive a lot of baseball. It is tedious -- commercial breaks can run the gamut from 30 seconds to 3 minutes. Lose your train of thought and you're toast, so a visual indicator would be great.

Lastly, if you do lose your focus, something like: CTRL+left click to take you back to the your active start cutpoint (if there is an active one), and/or CTRL+Right click to take you back to the last cut endpoint would really help in back-tracking.

EDIT: Having a 30-second advance for sports editing is a must -- 1 minute is just too long. Hitting the 30-second advance key when you shouldn't have means hitting back-frame, on average, 12-15 times. With a one-minute advance as the smallest, you are talking 25-30 back-frame clicks on average. That's a lot of backing up.

Amendment: how 'bout just a 5 second advancement/backup with the tilde key?

Second Amendment (really tricked out): in the middle of the Yellow light, show how many seconds have passed since the cut start point. Again, with sports, 2 min commercial breaks are typical, so if you get distracted, look back and see 90 in the middle, you think, OK, just advance 30 more seconds. Sweet.

[jdiner]

gobsmack:

I like some of those. I had not thought about the mouse idea. I don't use it when editing. I do everything from the keyboard with both hands.

Interesting that someone else does it so differently. I use the F5 and F4 keys almost exclusively. Now that there is time-based jumping I tend to use the 1 minute advance the most and then F4/F5 within that range.

I will give some thought to what you propose and we will see where it goes from here.

--jdiner

[bjarne]

Josh,

Love your tools, thanks a million :)

I have used them for quite some time, and never really had any problems. I love the responsiveness of the GOPEditor, and use the right and left arrows for finding cut points. I am finding that editing would be smoother for me if I could get two more key functions:

UPARROW: Start cut
DOWNARROW: End of cut AND add to cut list.

Just my input if you are taking suggestions.

Bjarne

[gobsmack]

I played around with templates today for two reasons:

- one, wanted to get the hang of them and indeed they give you great control and flexibilty. Very simple to make small changes and hit save-as in Notepad, queing up a bunch to use for your stack of recordings.

- two, I wanted to see if using a template to specify the chapter points might over-ride something in the VOB-IFO utility so as to make chapters align with cut points. Unfortunately, it didn't happen.

I've not had any luck with specifying every n minutes, either: neither method creates chapters for me.

Any advice from someone for whom these things are working?

Thanks.

[gobsmack]

Josh,

Break what I suggested into three sections:
1. Different keyboard setups
2. Mouse clicks to move one frame forward/back & modifier-click to indicate cut points
3. Visual indicator

For the first section, I'd suggest you open up the editing controls to a template file.

Easy enough for people to create little templates for the "Gaming" approach (one hand on keyboard/one hand on mouse) or the "Typing" approach (both hands on keyboard) to editing.

I would be happy to template what I suggested and further refine a "sports editing" setup.

Opening up the interface would get you out of the "one size doesn't fit" mire. Just something like this...

Modifier:
Key:
Action:
(repeat)

With respect to the second section -- mouse issues -- if you were to create a (big?!) button just called "Mouse Control", then clicks and modified clicks to that button could also perform various actions. As I suggested, it would be this:

Modifier:None
Button:R
Action:Frame +1

Modifier:CTRL
Button:L
Action:Back -StartCut
...etc.

Separating it would also make the program stay backwards compatible -- people who don't want to mess around with the mouse still have the same friendly buttons they are used to in case they do decide to mouse around. Keeping the button fairly big just makes it easier.

Lastly, section 3 -- I think this would help when you are editing a long, tedious file. But that is one (distracted) man's opinion.

I'd be glad to help if I can in developing any of this!

[Toaster]

Do we need to replace the tserver and nowshowing.tcl on the tivo side with this new release- if upgrading from 7r10?

The file sizes seem to be the exact same as before- but wanted to verify with the Boss. :)

[snoopy]

Originally posted by Toaster
Do we need to replace the tserver and nowshowing.tcl on the tivo side with this new release- if upgrading from 7r10?tserver_mfs7 and the NowShowing.tcl file in that same folder is the latest release from the tivo side of things.

[bcombee]

I really like the updates for GOPEditor, but I've got a little refresh of a request.

I'd love an "invert" command that would let you invert the current cuts to actually be the video you want to include. I do a lot of editing of music videos off programs, so being able to tag the beginning of the video, the end of the video, add cut, then invert would optimize the flow a bit.

Now that we have "save as" for cuts, being able to pick a cut file and a TY file for multiplexing, with the output being named after the cut file, would be very sweet. I currently have to do several "save as" operations, then rename the ty file on disk before each multiplex operation in TyTools.

[bcombee]

OK, while I'm thinking of requests...

I'd like to be better able to name my TY files. I've got a bunch of episodes of "The Show With No Name", the cable access show I work on, saved under the name "Community Access" with no show description. When I get a batch, I'd like for them to be named with the airdate included in the name. A simple strftime like system would work, something like

"%t - %e - %d"

Where the user could specify the location of the title (T), episode name (E), and date (D). I'd use

"The Show With No Name - %d"

as the description when ripping these off the Tivo box.

[jdiner]

Originally posted by gobsmack

I've not had any luck with specifying every n minutes, either: neither method creates chapters for me.

Creates them using what? I get chapters in every single thing that I am make. I am to over 150 perfect disks now. The only bad ones I have gotten are where the media is bad and the write itself fails.

What exactly are you trying to do to get chapters? I know you have a posted a bit before but I need serious details. How long is the show. What is the source. How are you processing at every stage. Etc...

I can't help without more details.

Also post here for me the the make.bat file. I would like to see what it is in detail.

Edit: Man look at all the typo's. Crap.

--jdiner

[jdiner]

I am obviously feeling a bit burned out. As when I have read the last few request I have wanted to shout "NO!" at my monitor.

I know everyone has a favorite way of doing things. But these are seriously way out. Reversing cuts? How many would that really help?

I guess I am just a bit frustrated because I worked hard on this stuff and the basic response seems to be "well ok, but you really should have done it my way..."

So I am going to go do a few other things for awhile and see what I feel like doing after that.

--jdiner

[snoopy]

Originally posted by jdiner
So I am going to go do a few other things for awhile and see what I feel like doing after that.
--jdiner
Man, give yourself a break. Of any of us, you certainly deserve one! People get way too pissy about stuff if you ask me. I agree with you that whatever helps the greatest number of people is what deserves the most attention. Don't take all these yo-yo's so seriously. I include myself in that comment :)

Thanks for all your hard work,
You have offered all of us some invaluable tools if nothing else is ever done.

[maule]

i wholeheartedly agree. the effort you've put in is amazing; just watching the evolution of this program and project is truly inspiring. i can't thank you enough for your hard work.

[bcombee]

Josh, I definitely didn't mean to offend by my requests. I find your app incredibly useful, but its optimized for a certain pattern of use -- taking standard TV programs, cutting out the start, end, and commercials, and saving that out to a file that can be archived. If you don't implement these, it won't be the end of the world, I just hoped they'd find a place on your list and you would see these as useful.

I'm doing things a bit differently. I've got programs where I tend to grab an hour long show -- a talk show, a music video hour, etc -- and I need to just except parts of the show out to disk for later use. TyTools works well right now, but it could be optimized for other uses as well, and I'm throwing these ideas out since these are things that came to me while using the app.

I understand feeling burned out from user requests -- my main job is technical lead on the CodeWarrior developer tools used for Palm OS devices, and I get a lot of off-the-wall requests.

[newbie]

Josh--The fact that people are now asking for obscure and questionable features should indicate that most of the REAL work is done.

Take a break. Relax. Spend some time with your own extractions. If I want to keep the middle section of a program (any movie) I just have to make 2 cuts (beginning and end) I wouldn't think of asking you to revise your program to save me less than 2 seconds of work.

At this point most of the suggestions revolve around the DVD Author point. I think someone who wants more features should just use DVD Lab or TMGENCE DVD AUTHOR.

[gobsmack]

Josh,

For some reason, chapter files were coming up blank. I went back to the GOP editor, loaded up the cut files, re-saved, re-muxed, and the chapter files were now cool.

Don't know what happened, as I've been quite anal in following steps, but who cares: it works.

As for TyTool -- take a break and a bow, but when you open it up for suggestions again, I've got a couple re: audio streams....

[asicguyca]

Josh,

I, for one, feel very lucky that you have been willing to spend so much effort on tytool. I suspect that most people using tytool feel the same. I started using the tools just before you added audio transcoding and got off to a slow start since I have a standalone tivo. I anxiously awaited the transcoding and have made at least 100 DVDs since then with great results.

I hope and believe that suggestions that people make for your tools are made with good intentions, and that they believe will add functionality to tytool. I know that when I first started using tytool, I made a couple of silly suggestions because I had not
used the tool enough to have the flow down.

The discussions about which keys people use is interesting. I primarily use '=', '-' with and without control to find cut points. I have gotten quite fast with this technique. I will try other methods now that I see there may be better methods.

Thanks again for your dedication and the terrific results.

asicguyca

[artships]

Originally posted by jdiner
I guess I am just a bit frustrated because I worked hard on this stuff and the basic response seems to be "well ok, but you really should have done it my way..."

Sorry, Josh. I shouldn't have kept it a secret from you that, like many others, I always wanted a pony, and now you've gone and given me one, and with a shiny bridle and a tooled western saddle with black leather saddle bags, rifle holster, and sterling silver buckles. It's more than I ever wanted, it's better than I ever imagined.

Those of us who've been extracting for as long as you have appreciate the sheer magic you've wrought, and are grateful you shared it with us, especially as you could have stopped working on it quite some time ago when you got it to where it suited you. Thank you, Josh!