DVR40 hackable?

[Brian]

I have been reading this whole weekend about Tivo and I was interested in purchasing the HDVR2.... NOW I see that it has been replaced with DVR40 . Is their any changes in the new one then the old one and is it still fully hackable?

[Brian]

can anybody help me out with this? I just want to know if it will do the same this the HDVR2 will do or not.


thanks!!

[mrblack51]

you can do monte (by hand or using sleeper's iso). the important thing to know is that the 3.1.u5 kernel and filesystem from an hdvr2 will work fine for monte, but won't work for actual tivo use. the main thing is that backups from other units (non-rid units such as the hdvr2, dvr39, and dsr7000) will not work on the dvr40, since it has the rid stuff

[Brian]

SO I cannot do the same thing on the dvr40 that I can do on the HDVR2? I kinda understand what you were talking about Monte because I read about it at GenerationTivo but I am a little lost. It kinda sucks, I did so much research on this and I decided to get the HDVR2 but when I go to ebay to buy one the only have DVR40.

[mrblack51]

the same basic steps can be used when doing monte. the monte guide at "generation tivo" is untested, so i would recommend aganist it. there is plenty of info around these forums, especially in the sticky threads in the s2 forum. for example, i would recommend using the sleeper iso.

the only real difference between the hdvr2 monte instructions and the dvr40 instructions is that you need to use a backup image from your dvr40, rather than one from an hdvr2. you also may need to prevent the installation of a hack like kmem automatically, since the kmem patch for noscramble on the hdvr2 may be different.

[Bushido]

Panicking after I heard about the HDVR40 and the RID feature, I returned it to the store. I lucked out by buying the last HDVR2 and successfully hacked it. Then, I tried Sleeper's ISO (TiVoScripts 1.01) and wow, talk about automated! It's got the Full Monte and all the hacks and runs beautifully. Thanks so much for everyone's help.

Question is then, to clarify... I could repurchase the HDVR40, back up that hard drive's image, use Sleeper's ISO and apply the Monte and all the hacks, and I'll get complete functionality just as my HDVR2, or will I have some issues?

I've been a longstanding subscriber with an HU card (refuse to upgrade), can I use the modified dssapp (or patch the one on the HDVR40, if it's not identical) to move my card over to the HDVR40, or will the RID give me issues with that as well?

[mrblack51]

Originally posted by Bushido
I've been a longstanding subscriber with an HU card (refuse to upgrade), can I use the modified dssapp (or patch the one on the HDVR40, if it's not identical) to move my card over to the HDVR40, or will the RID give me issues with that as well?

there is no legitimate reason for using an HU card on a dtivo, since dtv will be more than happy to swap you out for free. also, you are not allowed to use cards from other recievers in your receiver, such swapping is not permitted. as such, please do not discuss such dtv hacking topics here. thanks.

[Brian]

mrblack51 you have been very helpful!! Now in your own opinion I bet you are using a series 1 Dtivo but would you purchase the HDVR2 or the DVR40?

[mrblack51]

for a newbie, a dsr7000 or a hdvr2 is probably the better choice, since you can follow the info that is out there, rather than having to think. of course, i encourage everyone to think, but my expectations are not so high. no offense.

[teddyb2000]

Just for your info, I have restored an image from an HDVR2 to a SD-DVR40 and had it work. I can't remember exactly which one I used, it was either HDVR2_3.1U5.bak or dt2-3.1b.mfs.

I had run qunlock on the original 40GB harddrive before backing up and thought I was up the creek. Kept looking and trying and one of the above images did work. Restored to 80GB WD, installed in tivo and it would not record. Did a clear and delete everything and a test call and it started working.

Teddyb2000

[maule]

i used sleepers iso on an original factory image from the sd-dvr40 (didn't let it call in first), upgraded drives to a wd160 (resized to 137gb), subbed the unit and have been recording and extracting with tytools (updated the installed folder with new files). just did this yesterday, so i don't know if there is any long term negative effects or not. still don't have the phone hooked up.

[hasher19]

Could you please tell me how your resized your WD160?
TYI

[Bushido]

Ok, I'm confused a bit... One FAQ in a sticky thread mentioned that all units up and including the HDVR2 have the check only in software.

2) Can I modify the HDVR2 to allow use of P3 cards?
Yes. As with the Series 1 dtivos (SAT-T60, DSR6000, GXCEBOT), the check on the HDVR2 is in software. There is no hardware limitation on what needs to be done.


mrblack51 says
the main thing is that backups from other units (non-rid units such as the hdvr2, dvr39, and dsr7000) will not work on the dvr40, since it has the rid stuff
but teddyb2000 says
Just for your info, I have restored an image from an HDVR2 to a SD-DVR40 and had it work. I can't remember exactly which one I used, it was either HDVR2_3.1U5.bak or dt2-3.1b.mfs.

What exactly does the RID do? Some others have said they've seen nothing different hardware wise when comparing motherboards (even board revision numbers were apparently the same). Is it in the PROM or did a chip change, or is the RID feature then simply on the hard drive?

I see no problem in asking, and I'm not looking for directions, just clarification to avoid confusion. Especially if it's stated or derived public facts, there shouldn't be an issue in simply answering it and finding out the truth.

[mrblack51]

Originally posted by Bushido
What exactly does the RID do? Some others have said they've seen nothing different hardware wise when comparing motherboards (even board revision numbers were apparently the same). Is it in the PROM or did a chip change, or is the RID feature then simply on the hard drive?

I see no problem in asking, and I'm not looking for directions, just clarification to avoid confusion. Especially if it's stated or derived public facts, there shouldn't be an issue in simply answering it and finding out the truth.

i don't have an rid unit to duplicate the other poster's work. however, the sources that i got my information are well respected members, whereas this individual has come out of nowhere (doesnt mean its wrong, but i am skeptical till people prove their knowledge).

as for the RID - its a method for allowing dtv to increase security by doing a stronger marry procedure, similar to how dish network has 'boxkeys' which are stored on teh card. i believe it is designed to thwart pirates who clone cards and the like. there is an actual chip, which you can see in the units that have RID's.

[rpl]

Originally posted by Bushido
I've been a longstanding subscriber with an HU card (refuse to upgrade Thats kind of funny. Most of us didn't have a choice when we subbed our tivos. DTV just sent us out a new card and blacklisted the old one.

[Bushido]

I'm still on my DRD420E, just decided to try TiVos now that the prices are unbelievable, unlike when they first came out.

[cokekid]

Originally posted by mrblack51
i i believe it is designed to thwart pirates who clone cards and the like. there is an actual chip, which you can see in the units that have RID's.

So are u saying that the only card that will work in the machine is the one that comes with it? What happens if DTV has to send you another card???

[GREEK]

Yes dtv can swap cards whenever they like, thats not what Mr.Black meant, you took it out of context. As for the HU card, there is no legal way to use a card in another receiver, so if you refuse to upgrade to a P4 it wouldnt matter in another unit anyway, there would be no way to unmarry it, so rethink your explanation........

[JustRob]

Just to complete the thread's original question (SD-DVR40 hackability, assuming that is in regards to adding drives, tivoftp and NOT theft of service):

http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?t=30241

http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?p=136223

Hope they help.