No Backups on TiVoStuff

[watching]

What's happened?

Any ideas or suggestions?:confused:

[JJBliss]

Tivo wasn't too happy with the backups being housed there, and they respectfully requested that they be removed.

The owner/webmaster of Tivostuff, dsboyce8624 may be around to post the gruesome details, but it should suffice to say that Dennis mounted a valiant effort in trying to keep those images available for all you folks for free, and was shut down by the corporate machine of Tivo.

The site will stay up with most of the content, but you folks will have to fend for yourself for images from now on.

There are conversations in the works for with some other folks who might be interested in hosting the images for you, but we have no concrete information at this time.

When and if a new site becomes available for unmodified factory origianl tivo images, the information will surely be posted here first.

Thanks for looking

JJ Bliss

[shawn]

removed!

[TheWickedPriest]

That may be what she told you, but it was a lie. They have no such right.

But I've heard that DirecTV does lay claim to the access cards. I'm not sure how valid that claim is.

As for your "Word is", that doesn't make any sense. How could they even accomplish that? It's not like they've sanctioned the hacks that are in use now; in fact, they went to some trouble to prevent them, especially on the Series 2's. I could see them going to even more trouble on newer models... but not ending them. They can't.

[tytyty]

I was downloading an image yesterday when suddenly it stopped, I looked again and the image was gone but a few minutes later just that image was avaliabe. I think dsboyce8624
saw I wasnt finished and put it back up.

This is a blow to the modders, there are other places images are avaliable, they will have be dealt with in a more discreet fashion in the future.

[mrblack51]

Originally posted by shawn
Yup greedy billionaires have decided they do not want you to be able to fix your 2 yr old T60 when they have a perfectly working new 100 hr Tivo for sale for you to buy.
Why let you upgrade your own drive when they will sell you an upgraded hard drive unit for twice as much. Why let you increase your own record time when they can profiteer off it.
Time to tell D*V and T*VO to go to hell and switch to Dish.
Notice they also sell the Tivoweb and networking part so why let the people who made it possible do it for free. Now you get to pay for your own work. Word is all hacks will be done away with is the rumor by yr end. Why let you do it for free if they think they can profiteer off it.
Dont believe me call them and ask if you can upgrade the hard drive in your Tivo, they will say you can not that they own it.

wow, where to start. tivo is a consumer electronics device, not a pc. just because we can mess around with it, doesnt mean that it was designed to do so, or that a company is evil because they want to protect their copyrighted software. and whats this about tivoweb? um, they don't put tivoweb on the units, we put it on there.

if you are going to post a rant, at least get your facts straight.

I bought mine at C.City and they told me they own it i only get to use it. Say they can ask for it back and i have to send it.
THAT IS WHAT SHE TOLD ME! NO LIE!

drones dont know anything. if you believe them, thats your fault.

[Sleeper]

What we need is an offshore or Canadian site. Please post if anyone has one for use.

[David Bought]

Originally posted by shawn
Word is all hacks will be done away with is the rumor by yr end.

Dont believe me call them and ask if you can upgrade the hard drive in your Tivo, they will say you can not that they own it.
I bought mine at C.City and they told me they own it i only get to use it. Say they can ask for it back and i have to send it.
THAT IS WHAT SHE TOLD ME! NO LIE!

Where the hell do you get this stuff? You need to learn how to think critically.

The proper response to the CC employee is: "I did not see that in the contract I signed, please tell me what section it is in."

Originally posted by Sleeper
What we need is an offshore or Canadian site. Please post if anyone has one for use.

If you are not familiar with the tragedy of the commons, you will be after you have priced out the costs of hosting a high-bandwidth site offshore.

The irony here is that the majority of users don't even need a monstrous "backup" image to get started, because they can use the software that shipped with the unit and/or get 3.1.1b over the phone line. The only proprietary software you need to hack a 3.1.0 or 3.1.1* installation is the 3.1U5 initrd.

[shawn]

wow, where to start. tivo is a consumer electronics device, not a pc. just because we can mess around with it, doesnt mean that it was designed to do so, or that a company is evil because they want to protect their copyrighted software. and whats this about tivoweb? um, they don't put tivoweb on the units, we put it on there.

That couldnt be farther from the truth, they were all for hacking away and playing when they were small. Now they are big and are telling us stay out of them you can not alter the software in anyway. Hence no downloadable image to get bash.

Isnt Home Media Option same as Tivoweb that they now sell.
Seems they now put Tivoweb on there for $99 a yr.

[mrblack51]

Originally posted by shawn
That couldnt be farther from the truth, they were all for hacking away and playing when they were small. Now they are big and are telling us stay out of them you can not alter the software in anyway. Hence no downloadable image to get bash.

Isnt Home Media Option same as Tivoweb that they now sell.
Seems they now put Tivoweb on there for $99 a yr.

well, evidently you choose to ignore the truth, but that's ok. no, tivoweb is very different from the home media option, and in fact, the two share very few features. HMO allows you to share shows between certain s2 tivos, play mp3s, and view photos on your tivo. hmo also lets you do remote scheduling via tivos website. also, all these features are accessible via the normal tivo interface.

tivoweb, on the otherhand, provides a web interface to the mfs, to the regular UI functions, and some other features. tivoweb does not inherently provide show sharing, mp3 stuff, or any method for viewing photos on your tivo. there is some ability to schedule remotely, but you have to make your tivo accessable via the internet in some way to get something similar to the hmo functionality.

btw, its not $99 a year, its a $99 upgrade one time, that's it. you still have to pay your normal subscriber fees.

and, in response to the other comment - hacking was tolerated on the initial units, because the cult following that hacking develops can be somewhat beneficial. however, as tivo gained big media partners, there was more of a pressing need to ensure that the boxes were secure...mainly for video extraction prevention. you can disagree with their marketing strategy, but if you disagree with the facts, there is another term that becomes appropriate. i will be polite by not using that term.

[shawn]

You will feel differently come the day your box will not work if altered in anyway. Bash will = no t.v.
Backdoors will become a $1.99 monthly fee.
Dont you feel that if HMO is similar in anyway to Tivoweb that it is or could be taken as theft of service in near future?

[fixn278]

Tivo (or the manufacturer representing Tivo) makes the box, they sell it and they have the right to build it in any way they see fit, even if we don't like it.

We also have the right to buy another brand or to build our own.

When you sign up for their service, you agree to all of their terms and conditions.

FYI... I believe DRM and the DMCA has forced many companies (like Tivo) to start "locking down" their technology so they are not held responsible for violations by individual users.

[David Bought]

Originally posted by shawn
You will feel differently come the day your box will not work if altered in anyway. Bash will = no t.v.

There is no reliable way for them to enforce this except on an SA box that subscribes to the tivo guide data service. Whoever your "source" is, he's wrong.

[mrblack51]

Originally posted by shawn
You will feel differently come the day your box will not work if altered in anyway. Bash will = no t.v.
Backdoors will become a $1.99 monthly fee.
Dont you feel that if HMO is similar in anyway to Tivoweb that it is or could be taken as theft of service in near future?

thats an interesting opinion you have there. i suppose you are probably from the xbox camp, where people got pissy when microsoft wouldn't let modified units work on their xbox live network. could tivo try this? maybe. will they? probably not. in the case of microsoft, they are selling a service which centers on having reliable, consistent gameplay with no cheating. the only way to accomplish this is to verify the executables that people are usign to play the game, and then forcibly upgrade people to ensure that any bugs have been removed.

the only reason tivo needs to lock down the box is if their media partners get upset. and, thats exactly what they did. there is no incentive for them to stop the people who are replacing their proms, since that is a very small set of the population. as with other similar efforts (such as most of the anti-piracy efforts in the 90s), the goal is to make the barrier to copy high enough that people will be legit unless they are very determined.

now, backdoors for $2 a month, bash preventing use of your tivo? well, i suppose they could try it, but it would be disasterous. tivo has a huge interest in keeping their customers loyal, since the cheap generic DVR is becoming a reality right now. tivo must differentiate itself without alienating its most loyal followers. As such, its in their best interest to maintain the current status quo while still adding new features.

btw: why did you remove your post up above?

[shawn]

Removed above post from lawsuit threats from billionaire corporations. Kidding.
That is all i meant to say is we have alot of fun with these things and i along with every1 else would hate to see the play taken away from us.
No i never owned an Xbox even let alone hack it.
Happy with my Nascar on the pc.
You hit interesting point there, i was reading an article on certain folks wanting to take away our ability to record off say HBO.
That would suck and i am sure there is a fight going on. Some other billionaire needs a cut of the pie is all.

[JJBliss]

http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=30213

[shawn]

Interesting that nobody can host a free image but Weaknees can sell an image. Did Tivo buy Weaknees? Nothing against Weaknees they provide a great service and have for a long time.
Nobody does it better. They do not however provide bash access in any way with their upgrades.

[mnassour]

I hope I'm wrong, but given the recent crackdown, I'd bet that Weaknees days are numbered........

[kungpaomaster]

I think TIVO is making a big mistake. I agree with the post about alienating the hacker community. As it was, the community had good relations with TIVO. In fact, most hackers drew a line when it came to certain hacks on the TIVO when it would be detrimental to the company. If they choose to alienate the hacker community, I don't believe they will be inclined to show the same love as before.

I also agree with the post about alternative DVRs. TV guides are out on the net for free. I don't believe it would be difficult for some smart individual to build a DVR that has everything built-in, ready for broadband and get's it's guide data from public sites. Open source... In fact, I don't believe I would be crazy to say that someone could release their own version of Linux (reverse engineered perhaps?) that would run on a TIVO, effectively replacing their OS. What legal means would TIVO have then?

TIVO is opening up a big can of worms. One thing is for sure, when they lose hacker support, it's open season on TIVO.

[kungpaomaster]

On that note...

Seems like alt.binaries.tivo would be a good alternative for the images on newsgroups.

... and so it begins.

[Jethro]

Originally posted by kungpaomaster
On that note...

Seems like alt.binaries.tivo would be a good alternative for the images on newsgroups.



Good idea.