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David Bought
12-22-2003, 12:45 PM
BWAHAHAHA... I can't believe I forgot to gloat in this thread. :D

Hey corbelli, when are you going to post your COMPLETE GUIDE to getting sued by Tivo? :D

Sleeper
12-22-2003, 09:02 PM
Originally posted by David Bought
BWAHAHAHA... I can't believe I forgot to gloat in this thread. :D

Hey corbelli, when are you going to post your COMPLETE GUIDE to getting sued by Tivo? :D

DB, too funny. You never let anything get past.

David Bought
03-03-2004, 04:21 PM
Ya guys, I'll give you the guide's if you'd really like, but it's hardly worth it.

What's wrong, are you tired of playing "hero" already? :D

cobelli
03-03-2004, 04:36 PM
Yaya Bought, so witty...

I'm not afraid to give sleeper his due credit. I think that's how it should have been done in the first place. Everything was automated for series 1 people; it never really made sense to me why series 2 newbs had to fend for themselves. I understood your concern that if they are constantly spoon fed they will never learn, but I think there are a lot of people here who arenít devoted enough to learn anyways. I did what I could to help them, but sleeper has clearly bested me. In the end I do feel that the amount of time spent revising the guide, answering questions, and dealing with your crap could have been better spent working on such a program. Nonetheless bought, hopefully in the six months since I wrote that guide you've matured enough that we can move past petty bickering.

Iíll be waiting when youíre ready
- Cobelli

David Bought
03-03-2004, 05:01 PM
I understood your concern that if they are constantly spoon fed they will never learn, but I think there are a lot of people here who arenít devoted enough to learn anyways.

No pain, no gain. Nobody is entitled to a hacked Tivo. However, it is wise and prudent to make technical information (not spoonfeeding materials) available to assist those who are willing to learn.

Your actions and Sleeper's actions reward ignorance, mediocrity, and intellectual laziness. People like you disgust me.


I do feel that the amount of time spent revising the guide, answering questions, and dealing with your crap could have been better spent working on such a program.

Absolutely. You should have developed it, and then kept it to yourself. Don't you feel silly now for putting up that stupid web page? People used that thing for what, 2 months or so, before Sleeper posted his heroware. Wow, 2 months, what a great run. :D

As you have seen, fame and glory are fleeting but real accomplishments are more rewarding in the long term. Hack to push yourself to the limit, not to be a glory whore.

cobelli
03-03-2004, 05:41 PM
No pain, no gain. Nobody is entitled to a hacked Tivo. However, it is wise and prudent to make technical information (not spoonfeeding materials) available to assist those who are willing to learn.

Your actions and Sleeper's actions reward ignorance, mediocrity, and intellectual laziness. People like you disgust me.



Absolutely. You should have developed it, and then kept it to yourself. Don't you feel silly now for putting up that stupid web page? People used that thing for what, 2 months or so, before Sleeper posted his heroware. Wow, 2 months, what a great run. :D

As you have seen, fame and glory are fleeting but real accomplishments are more rewarding in the long term. Hack to push yourself to the limit, not to be a glory whore.

Where we disagree is that I believe a hacked TiVo should be available to anyone. I don't feel silly because I'm glad that I helped people, and it was a significant number. The only reason I regret the time spent is because for that amount of effort could have produced a tool that made it even easier to hack a tivo. Modifying a TiVo shouldn't have to be a life consuming process, it should be a fun weekend project. Of course I encourage people who are interested to really dive in and understand how a tivo runs, but not everyone is that devoted. I'm not looking to be a tivo hero, glory whore, championing the tivo cause, etc. However I do feel that the more people contribute to the community, the more it grows, and that was my contribution.

On a lighter note, at least we are speaking civily, mostly, that's an improvement.

Cobelli

David Bought
03-03-2004, 06:07 PM
Where we disagree is that I believe a hacked TiVo should be available to anyone.

Then you must be willing to take responsibility for the consequences:

1) 2yo+ image sites being shut down because they got too popular

2) credible legal threats to authors here due to their extraction work

3) DDB buckling under the stress of thousands of new freeloaders

4) frequent sales of illegally hacked units on ebay

5) the emergence of blatantly hacker-unfriendly features in new software versions

and ultimately:

6) the flight of the best developers to greener, safer pastures

7) the flight of the rest of the developers to "underground" and lower-profile venues

8) the death of new development

Was it worth all that just to be a glory whore?

You and Sleeper (and many others too) owe us all an apology.

cobelli
03-04-2004, 12:13 AM
Then you must be willing to take responsibility for the consequences:

1) 2yo+ image sites being shut down because they got too popular

2) credible legal threats to authors here due to their extraction work

3) DDB buckling under the stress of thousands of new freeloaders

4) frequent sales of illegally hacked units on ebay

5) the emergence of blatantly hacker-unfriendly features in new software versions

and ultimately:

6) the flight of the best developers to greener, safer pastures

7) the flight of the rest of the developers to "underground" and lower-profile venues

8) the death of new development

Was it worth all that just to be a glory whore?

You and Sleeper (and many others too) owe us all an apology.

OK, first off, you don't know TiVo's motivations. While increased popularity is definitely a possibile reason for cracking down, many other factors could have influenced. Including the possibility of changes in their legal team. Secondly, Hacker unfriendly features have existed for a long time. Thirdly, I saw many hacked series 1 units available on ebay. So yes all of the things above have happened. And yes, many of them are related. But that doesn't mean that sleeper and I have ruined TiVo hacking. I'm also wondering what magical line you use to gauge where blame falls. MrBlack has helped alot of newbies, has he ruined the community? Hell, you've even answered a few questions in your time. And finally, you cite developers moving to underground communities as a negative, but isn't that exactly what you want? Hacking only for the 1337?

David Bought
03-04-2004, 11:27 AM
OK, first off, you don't know TiVo's motivations. While increased popularity is definitely a possibile reason for cracking down, many other factors could have influenced. Including the possibility of changes in their legal team.

BWAHAHAHA... yeah good reasoning. :D


Secondly, Hacker unfriendly features have existed for a long time. Thirdly, I saw many hacked series 1 units available on ebay.

Gee, do ya think there might be a correlation there? :D

Rule #1: You WILL NOT excuse bad behavior with worse behavior.

Guess what, the Extreme team learned their lesson, now it is your turn to do the same.


But that doesn't mean that sleeper and I have ruined TiVo hacking.

You and Sleeper are directly responsible for points 2, 3, and 4 at the very least. Probably 1 and 5 too but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

You're fooling yourself if you don't think this is a numbers game. The bigger a crowd you draw, the more trouble we will have. You and Sleeper have done an outstanding job in bringing a huge, mostly useless crowd here to leech and to draw attention to us.

Tivo doesn't care if there are a few dozen people who understand how their system works. They DO care when their hollywood buddies call them up complaining about how they just found an extraction-ready, service theft equipped Tivo on Ebay. Or how they just downloaded an ISO that allows them to do the same to an existing unit. They wanted our group to stay small and low-key, but you and Sleeper have compensated for your lack of talent with flamboyancy. You are both whores for attention and glory.


And finally, you cite developers moving to underground communities as a negative, but isn't that exactly what you want? Hacking only for the 1337?

Wrong, I am in favor of the free exchange of information and ideas, as long as the process is not abused. Unfortunately things almost never work out that way in the real world, because communities are too tolerant of "hero" types like yourself who feel that it is their "calling" to bring more dead weight into the fold.

Sleeper
03-04-2004, 11:56 AM
They wanted our group to stay small and low-key, but you and Sleeper have compensated for your lack of talent with flamboyancy. You are both whores for attention and glory.

Might I suggest that you start your own thread on this topic, preferrably in the new "garbage can" forum.

There is no reason to turn this thread foul and cause its destruction.

Your personal attacks are unnecessary and unprovoked. You would be much better respected if you made your points without the personal attacks which diminish any merit that your points would have otherwise had.

Your "lack of talent" is in the area of controlling your tounge.

There is a difference between helping people and being a "glory whore". Since I am the only one that truly knows my motivations, your statement is merely an inaccurate assumption.

DB, you have your points and opinions. We are all aware of them and most of us respect them wether we agree or disagree. Isn't it time you started doing the same?

MODS, please don't delete this post as you have done with the last 2 posts that I have made in reponse to DB's inflamatory remarks

David Bought
03-04-2004, 12:19 PM
There is a difference between helping people and being a "glory whore".

Correct, "helping people" is what you do and "glory whore" is what you are.

If and when you decide to be honest with yourself, you will understand how I know what your motivations are. You revel in the attention that your pathetic scripts have generated. You spend the majority of your time associating with new users because it makes you feel better about the fact that you have put so many hours into this hobby but you have learned so little. You have made no discoveries of your own and have little insight into difficult questions. You are wasting your time and your talents (if any). Quit jacking off in the NEWBIE forum and start working on things that matter.


MODS, please don't delete this post as you have done with the last 2 posts that I have made in reponse to DB's inflamatory remarks

Your last two posts blatantly accused an innocent, God-fearing Christian of illegally using controlled substances, without providing even a shred of evidence. Your slander had no bearing on the topic at hand so the posts were deleted with extreme prejudice.

Sleeper
03-04-2004, 12:33 PM
Your last two posts blatantly accused an innocent, God-fearing Christian of illegally using controlled substances, without providing even a shred of evidence. Your slander had no bearing on the topic at hand so the posts were deleted with extreme prejudice.

If that's your interpretation than you must still be high. The first post in the "'FS: 2 RCA Recievers and HU cards" thread was a joke and was obviously taken as such. There was nothing "slanderous" about it. Perhaps someone that has been emailed a copy will repost it.

In fact there was nothing in either of those 2 posts that came even remotely close to the continual personal attacks and filth that you continually spew about this board.

Removal of my posts and lack of recourse upon you for your illicit actions just proves the "bias" on the part of the management of the board that I have previously spoke about.

Sleeper
03-04-2004, 12:42 PM
Correct, "helping people" is what you do and "glory whore" is what you are.

Well lets further prove my point about the "bias". Let's see if I get repremanded for employing the same tact you you continually use.

David, "shoving it up peoples anal cavity" is what you do. A "rapist" and "sodomist" is what you are.

David Bought
03-04-2004, 12:47 PM
The first post in the "'FS: 2 RCA Recievers and HU cards" thread was a joke and was obviously taken as such. There was nothing "slanderous" about it.

Wrong, there was nothing "funny" about it.


In fact there was nothing in either of those 2 posts that came even remotely close to the continual personal attacks and filth that you continually spew about this board.

Wrong, you accused me of a crime without evidence. That is never tolerated here.

When I make accusations I have something to back them up.

BubbleLamp
03-04-2004, 01:19 PM
Wrong, there was nothing "funny" about it.



Wrong, you accused me of a crime without evidence. That is never tolerated here.

When I make accusations I have something to back them up.
So what will it take for you to leave this board forever bubba? You obviously don't like anything about it anymore, so why are you still here? Surely someone with all of your knowledge has better things to do than slam us poor unfortunates. Why don't you go rescue another lost cause someplace. Maybe try to help the Bush camp look for WMDs. You haven't made a positive contribution to a thread in a long time.

David Bought
03-04-2004, 01:38 PM
Wow, speaking of illegal drug users, look who shows up. :D


So what will it take for you to leave this board forever bubba?

The janitor goes away when people learn to clean up after themselves. :D


You haven't made a positive contribution to a thread in a long time.

Wrong. But you wouldn't know a positive contribution if it smacked you in the ass.

BubbleLamp
03-04-2004, 01:46 PM
Your last two posts blatantly accused an innocent, God-fearing Christian of illegally using controlled substances

That's just so wrong on so many levels. I think you missed a few chapters in Sunday school.

Sleeper
03-04-2004, 01:53 PM
Wrong, you accused me of a crime without evidence. That is never tolerated here.

That is not what transpired. You are spinning the facts in order to attack my integrity. Here is a synopsis of what transpired since the posts have been deleted to "protect" your hurt feelings.

You asked "What would happen if you posted pictures of you growing drugs in your basement on the net"

I replied "Anyone who looks at them would get high"

Clearly a joke. This can not even be misconstrued as an accusation of a crime. Your actions are certainly not that of a "Christian" as you claimed you are in this post:


Your last two posts blatantly accused an innocent, God-fearing Christian of illegally using controlled substances, without providing even a shred of evidence. Your slander had no bearing on the topic at hand so the posts were deleted with extreme prejudice.

And my comments were taken as a joke as indicated by the posts that followed:


LMAO@Sleeper....
David Bought, I really hope you say all that stuff just to protect your site..

It's funny how you are taking advantage of the fact that one of the mods has deleted the posts and now you are twisting the truth of what happened in order to attack me. Pretty tricky that you somehow have gotten the posts in question deleted so that you can continue your lies. Hopefully the deleted posts will be resurrected by others who got them emailed to them and who are not afraid to speak out.

It would have been more appropriate for the mods to move the posts rather than delete them. They did not contain anything that was illegal or vile as DB's posts usually do. An agrument about the HU card issue is not a valid reason to delete the thread unless that is the policy of the board. The policy has been to notify the poster and sometimes close the thread. Deleting threads and posts goes against the "free speech" policy that is so frequently waived around here as the reason that DB's behavour is allowed. Funny how that "free speech" policy doesn't apply to everyone, thereby proving my point about the "bias" of the management.

David Bought
03-04-2004, 02:06 PM
I replied "Anyone who looks at them would get high"

I apologize, I was mistaken about the subject matter of this (inane and unfunny) post. It was not a personal attack.

The second post, which you have not been willing to bring up, was clearly a personal attack and an accusation of a crime.


It would have been more appropriate for the mods to move the posts rather than delete them.

Wrong, for-sale threads advertising illegal devices should be deleted so that the seller is unable to use DDB to generate leads.

The policies of the non-Tivo forums are more strict with regard to deletion of inappropriate threads. Deal with it. There is no conspiracy here.

Sleeper
03-04-2004, 02:15 PM
I apologize, I was mistaken about the subject matter of this (inane and unfunny) post. It was not a personal attack.

Apology acknoweldged.


The second post, which you have not been willing to bring up, was clearly a personal attack and an accusation of a crime.

No it was not. I can not remember it verbatim. It said something like "you must still be high from looking at those pictures that you posted on the net" I am sure that someone has a copy of it and will post it. It was not in the same thread.


Wrong, for-sale threads advertising illegal devices should be deleted so that the seller is unable to use DDB to generate leads.

That is not the reason that you earlier claimed it was deleted.


The policies of the non-Tivo forums are more strict with regard to deletion of inappropriate threads. Deal with it. There is no conspiracy here.

The proof is in the pudding.

captain_video
03-04-2004, 02:43 PM
Your last two posts blatantly accused an innocent, God-fearing Christian of illegally using controlled substances, without providing even a shred of evidence. Your slander had no bearing on the topic at hand so the posts were deleted with extreme prejudice.

Just who is it that this "God-fearing Christian" actually fears? Himself no doubt since he has declared himself to be a "Tivo God" on numerous occasions. So not only is he a hipocrite but a blasphemer too. Ever heard the commandment "Thou shalt not worship false Gods"? David, if you have not already done so I highy recommend that you go and see "The Passion of Christ". Perhaps some of it will actually sink into that thick skull of yours and you'll know what being a Christian is really all about. Calling yourself one is an insult to the rest of the Christian community. A true Christian would spend his time and energy attempting to help others and not admonish them for their own good deeds. A good Christin certainly wouldn't use profanity as profusely as you do.


6) the flight of the best developers to greener, safer pastures

I guess that's why you're still here. :D

Tiros
03-04-2004, 03:20 PM
Then you must be willing to take responsibility for the consequences:

1) 2yo+ image sites being shut down because they got too popular
Yea, a real loss there, its real hard to find images now ;)


2) credible legal threats to authors here due to their extraction work
Woulda happened sooner or later anyway.


3) DDB buckling under the stress of thousands of new freeloaders
Growing membership, how terrible for the board!


4) frequent sales of illegally hacked units on ebay
Who cares?


5) the emergence of blatantly hacker-unfriendly features in new software versions
Natural progression in any system. Measure/Countermeasure it's all part of the fun!


and ultimately:

6) the flight of the best developers to greener, safer pastures
Why don't you follow the herd!


7) the flight of the rest of the developers to "underground" and lower-profile venues
If thats what they need to do to stay low profile, so be it! Information will be exchanged whether you like it or not. If not here, someplace else. Your main rant is that too many people hacking is ruining the hobby, due to higher profile/increased heat. Do you actually believe this?!? DSS hacking is still alive and well, despite all the boards that have been shut down. It's ridiculous to assume that if these hacks were known only to a few that Tivo engineers would stop working on improving thier system. Even more ridiculous is your philosophy that 'staying low profile' will help stop/slow the CM/CCM spiral. You think they are not doing thier best already? I say bring it on! What man can do, man can undo! Don't be afraid! We need as many people as possible looking at the problems! Isn't that the Linux theory?
Have you ever hacked anything besides a Tivo?


8) the death of new development
Where do you think developers come from? Are they born or made? You never know what newbie will come along with something to contribute. Newbies are the life blood of a hobby. Without them people get stuck in a rut. New ideas, fresh concepts, and new people can't hurt anything. When stronger ECMs are taken, we may need some new ideas. You constantly bash people around here for trying to get started with this and you have no idea who you are dealing with. Just because someone doesn't know about 'TIVO' specifically you assume they have no technical skills. Tivo hacking isn't rocket science. If the developers here did not produce these tools other people certainly would have. Potential developers (aka Noobs) shouldn't have to waste a lot of time getting bash. Apparantly you think this is some sort of "dues" that must be paid before you are "entitled" to hack your Tivo. Google Keywords: Elitist Snob. Like it or not more people are hacking thanks to Sleeper and Cobelli and It's a good thing!. Developers don't like to document, if you were a developer you would know that. So a dev puts out a crude "how i did it" post, and some other guys come along, clean up the docs, and make it understandable to others. It happens all the time and yet hacking survives.
Have you ever hacked anything besides a Tivo?


Was it worth all that just to be a glory whore?
It doesn't seem like that steep of a price to me!


You and Sleeper (and many others too) owe us all an apology.
Especially you!

AlphaWolf
03-04-2004, 07:19 PM
I had cereal for breakfast.

AhoyMatey
03-04-2004, 07:36 PM
I had cereal for breakfast.
What brand?

vu2vu
03-04-2004, 07:52 PM
Sleeper,

I don't feel either way about your software or cobelli's guide. I have to admit, I did use your scripts because of the convince of having the collection of binaries as well as kernel images on one cd. Your efforts are appreciated, from me as well as others here at DDB.

But in response to your post, DB has toned really toned down his remarks lately. He chooses his words carefully and only reveals as much as he wants to. He has even cracked a few jokes here and there.

DB's controversial posts have placed him in the penalty box, but I really believe he got the last laugh on that one. New rules and forum layout are now on the way. Newbieís are now starting to use the newbie forum, and all DSS hacking threads are now taken care of quickly. Good work DB!

DB, as for the new focus of your attention Sleeper and Cobelli, I don't think you can win this one. Oh well, you win some you lose some. :)


Your "lack of talent" is in the area of controlling your tounge.

AlphaWolf
03-04-2004, 08:32 PM
What brand?

Wheaties, with twelve tablespoons of sugar and chocolate milk. :D

AhoyMatey
03-04-2004, 09:45 PM
Wheaties, with twelve tablespoons of sugar and chocolate milk. :D
Ahhh, a man of taste and discernment. Chocolate milk is the only way to go!

sealevel
03-05-2004, 09:35 PM
Damn man, do have so little else going on in your life that you feel it necessary to come to this board, and surf around looking for someoneís ass to jump up? Seriously, you talk mad smack about what everyone else is doing or not doing, yet what is it you do? Waste bandwidth near as I can see. And before you start on me, no I have not contributed any new breakthroughs in Tivo technology, but then again, I donít ďpretendĒ to be a developer like ahem, some of us.

Why are you even here? I donít get it. If this board is so terrible, why even bother to post? You remind me somewhat of a Jessie Jackson type guy, you have to stir up some shit, in order to justify your own self worth. Pathetic and shallow.

You have stated in so many words before that helping newbies is a waste of time, and they should look for things for themselves. Whose time are they wasting? Not mine, certainly not anyone elseís. If a newb posts and no one responds to that post, the time wasted is theirs. Funny though, you wonít take time to answer a newbie question, but you seem to have all the time in the world to bash others, and banter back and forth about whatever it is that seems to have lodged sand in your vagina.

tiivohoe
03-05-2004, 09:46 PM
More CHUM anyone? :rolleyes:

AlphaWolf
03-05-2004, 10:18 PM
Damn man, do have so little else going on in your life that you feel it necessary to come to this board, and surf around looking for someoneís ass to jump up? Seriously, you talk mad smack about what everyone else is doing or not doing, yet what is it you do? Waste bandwidth near as I can see. And before you start on me, no I have not contributed any new breakthroughs in Tivo technology, but then again, I donít ďpretendĒ to be a developer like ahem, some of us.

Yep, tivo runs linux.

AVD
03-06-2004, 08:43 PM
Since when is following a "How-to" guide, or running a script that modifies software considered "Hacking" in the true sense of the word?

Corbelli and Sleeper are responsible for an army of TiVo 'script kiddies' (except that the kiddies are probably a little older than pre teens)

mike0151
03-07-2004, 06:31 PM
Since when is following a "How-to" guide, or running a script that modifies software considered "Hacking" in the true sense of the word?

Corbelli and Sleeper are responsible for an army of TiVo 'script kiddies' (except that the kiddies are probably a little older than pre teens)


This whole thread, IMHO is a worthless piece of junk and bitching. If it were not for the likes of BlessTiVo, MFSTOOLS and various others (including their predecessors), very little else would have been created for the TiVo for a long time.

Is it not time that we just try to appreciate what some very clever people do to help us enjoy our television experience? The fact that they make it available to us all is just awesome.

Stop bitching, stop being nasty and start appreciating.

I sure wish TiVo had been around way back when I was able to get to grips with clever stuff. Maybe I'd have been able to shine. Sadly, I'm now a burned out has been who used to be clever. The important thing is that I appreciate what the clever guys now can do and provide and I sure as hell appreciate it. Why does there have to be so much infighting?

keith721
03-13-2004, 03:41 PM
Wheaties, with twelve tablespoons of sugar and chocolate milk. :DSomehow, I suddenly have an image of Calvin eating a bowl full of Sugar-Frosted Chocolate Crunchy Bombs cereal on Saturday morning... :D :D

cojonesdetoro
03-17-2004, 06:52 PM
Somehow, I suddenly have an image of Calvin eating a bowl full of Sugar-Frosted Chocolate Crunchy Bombs cereal on Saturday morning... :D :D

Anybody here like 'Cracklin Oat Bran'? I love the stuff but eating too much makes it a stool softener... kinda like this thread. ;^P~~

Sleeper
03-17-2004, 11:29 PM
Anybody here like 'Cracklin Oat Bran'? I love the stuff but eating too much makes it a stool softener... kinda like this thread. ;^P~~

I prefer "Go Lean Crunch" for a similar effect!

Meathead
03-20-2004, 02:50 AM
All I can say is Thank GOD that DB was finally banned for good! And thank you to all the people that helped people like me learn. I came in here about 2 1/2 years ago and knew very little about Linux or Tivo. I have since learned a lot. Both Sleeper and Cobelli have been great helping newbies and others. I wish I could remember all of the great people that have been such a positive influence on this forum and have actually contributed, but I can't remember them all. But you all know who you are. Thank you to all of you. I can, for sure, say that DB has never helped me or any other person that I know. Maybe know with this "little" distraction gone, we can get on with bigger and better things.

And a very BIG thanks to Vadim for the privledge of coming here. Thank you!

Meathead

Sleeper
03-20-2004, 04:01 AM
All I can say is Thank GOD that DB was finally banned for good!

Actually, it is a bitter sweet thing.

I frequently agreed with DB's principles. It was his delivery that I totally disagreed with. It's jut too bad that he couldn't just let the mods regulate the board and act civil.

His behavour will definately not be missed. His positive attributes (yes he had some) will be missed. Perhaps when he comes back under another alias he will act differently.

AlphaWolf
03-20-2004, 11:42 AM
/me shrugs

I never had a problem with david bought. Sure, he was a bit rude at times, but so am I :D

StanSimmons
03-20-2004, 10:12 PM
/me shrugs

I never had a problem with david bought. Sure, he was a bit rude at times, but so am I :D
But you aren't UNNECESSARILY rude. :eek: :D

DB is apparently pretty sharp, but he really has some impulse control issues. If he comes back, I doubt he will be able to control himself... He won't be able to help but jump on some dumb newbie with both feet.

vu2vu
03-21-2004, 03:59 AM
I can say that he has helped me, in public as well as in private, but I don't know you so I guess it doesn't count.

The biggest distraction I see on this messageboard is by you and others and their unprovoked attacks on DB. I know he's guilty of the same thing, but it doesn't make it right to bash the guy every chance you get to. Remember two wrongs don't make a right.

There have been accusations going around lately that DB has registered a new nick just to agravate members of this very forum. This topic has been beaten to death by those who wished to see DB banned. JJBliss has already set the record straight when he said there is no evidence that DB registered a new nick, and I trust him.

Anyone that has been paying attention to this message board knows that there is one person that has continually registered new nicknames after being banned. From my count at least 2 of the nicks he uses has been banned. This person despises of DB and I think would stop at nothing to stir up some trouble with him.

Edit: The person I have in mind is not BubbleLamp. I think he was mislead like the rest of us.

I think I am the only one that is going to miss his him. I always enjoyed trying to pick his brain. Real sad to see him go, expecially since he has really toned down his remarks lately.


I can, for sure, say that DB has never helped me or any other person that I know. Maybe know with this "little" distraction gone, we can get on with bigger and better things.