Getting TY off of Tivo?

[andy7p5]

Ok We have a TiVo Series 2 80 Hour with the newest software update and the Home Media Option. Anyway it's connected to my houses network and it's address it 10.0.1.6 I was wondering how do i connect to it to browse it's hard drive and get the TY files off of it? Or are there any programs (Macintosh or Windows) that will retrive the TY files for me? (TY files are the shows that you recorded) I got a program called TyTool but it can never find my TiVo when i say that it's IP is 10.0.1.6. Am i doing something wrong?! Please help, I'm not doing this illegally I want to burn a TV show about String Theory for my chemistry teacher and it said you could legally make copies of it. HELP! I promised i could get it on a DVD for her (oops?)

Thanks, Andy

[acr2001]

Im assuming you have bash access to your tivo. In order to have tytools find the .ty streams on your tivo you have to have tserver installed. You cant possibly have searched the forums because this topic is extremely documented! Go take a look in the video extraction forums.

...if you dont know what bash is, forget about extraction unless you are moderately computer literate and have a free day or two.

[andy7p5]

ok i'm clueless... whats bash access? i just got tivo and just got TyTool but how to i get tserver on my TiVo?? please help... i'm somewhat computer illiterate but not to an annoying point

[andy7p5]

i have a couple of free days, i can hack Macintosh very well, not great at all with PCs, extremely new to TiVo. XBOX got boring... I'm willing to learn if someone will teach. I would Really love to be able to get those .ty files off of my TiVo

[PlainBill]

i have a couple of free days, i can hack Macintosh very well, not great at all with PCs, extremely new to TiVo. XBOX got boring... I'm willing to learn if someone will teach. I would Really love to be able to get those .ty files off of my TiVo

Hint: Read the Series 2 hacking forum. Read the Video Extraction forum.

PlainBill

[JJBliss]

i have a couple of free days, i can hack Macintosh very well, not great at all with PCs, extremely new to TiVo. XBOX got boring... I'm willing to learn if someone will teach. I would Really love to be able to get those .ty files off of my TiVo

Just to set your expectations properly, you're going to need a lot more then a " a couple of free days". With little or no PC experience, no linux experience, and no real hacking expertise, you are in for a LOOOOOONG ride.

I appreciate you dilemma, and I applaud your moxy, but you might want to apologize to you teacher, since I can't imagine you getting these files off your tivo any time inthe VERY near future.

However, you can start reading in the Stand Alone Series 2 forum as well as the Tivo Extraction Forum, and in a few weeks, you'll have enough of a basic understanding of what you're trying to accomplish, that you can start to ask good questions.

A few weeks after that, you should be on your way to Tivo hacking and extraction.


Just trying to be reasonable....


BTW: What does one do when they "hack Macintosh?

[andy7p5]

Just to set your expectations properly, you're going to need a lot more then a " a couple of free days". With little or no PC experience, no linux experience, and no real hacking expertise, you are in for a LOOOOOONG ride.

I appreciate you dilemma, and I applaud your moxy, but you might want to apologize to you teacher, since I can't imagine you getting these files off your tivo any time inthe VERY near future.

However, you can start reading in the Stand Alone Series 2 forum as well as the Tivo Extraction Forum, and in a few weeks, you'll have enough of a basic understanding of what you're trying to accomplish, that you can start to ask good questions.

A few weeks after that, you should be on your way to Tivo hacking and extraction.


Just trying to be reasonable....


BTW: What does one do when they "hack Macintosh?

You can do a lot of fun things with Macintosh, I really hope you know what Macintosh is... Mac OS X... http://www.apple.com/macosx and i have a little understanding of LINUX, i have Red Hat 8, and also X11 by Apple. But I don't really know what i'm looking for. I have the TyTool application running on my PC and on X11 on my PowerMacintosh. But what do I need to do to my TiVo to get TyTool to "find" my tivo. I already know the TiVo's IP is 10.0.1.6 on my Network. If I have to install something onto my TiVo could someone link me to a good explenation of how to do that? I've read a lot of people who already have stuff like tServer on their TiVo but I need to know how they got it onto their TiVo and what else i have to do to get TyTool to find my Now Showing list.

[PlainBill]

You can do a lot of fun things with Macintosh, I really hope you know what Macintosh is... Mac OS X... http://www.apple.com/macosx and i have a little understanding of LINUX, i have Red Hat 8, and also X11 by Apple. But I don't really know what i'm looking for. I have the TyTool application running on my PC and on X11 on my PowerMacintosh. But what do I need to do to my TiVo to get TyTool to "find" my tivo. I already know the TiVo's IP is 10.0.1.6 on my Network. If I have to install something onto my TiVo could someone link me to a good explenation of how to do that? I've read a lot of people who already have stuff like tServer on their TiVo but I need to know how they got it onto their TiVo and what else i have to do to get TyTool to find my Now Showing list.

http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showpost.php?p=151508&postcount=5 Short of hiring someone to do it for you, you've got a lot of reading to do.

PlainBill

[andy7p5]

No i'm looking for help and so far this help is as good as Microsoft's. Ok you tell me to read a forum but what am i looking for? I've gone over a lot of stuff and have found NOTHING to answer my questions. I need real help not the lazy ass kind of help.

[PlainBill]

No i'm looking for help and so far this help is as good as Microsoft's. Ok you tell me to read a forum but what am i looking for? I've gone over a lot of stuff and have found NOTHING to answer my questions. I need real help not the lazy ass kind of help.

You are looking for two things - how to hack your TiVo (this will allow you to install software in the TiVo), and how to install tyserver. All your experience won't do you any good unless you are willing to learn. Many people here are willing to answer intelligent questions, but we AREN'T going to hold your hand.

Ordinarily I would suggest you search for TiVoScripts, and read at least the first three pages of the support thread. However, you would lose your recordings, so you're going to have to do it manually. So read the stickies on the Stand Alone Series 2 hacking forum. I don't have a Series 2 SA, and I WON'T do the reading for you. One other hint - Hinsdale had an excellent How-To for Series 1 hacking. It's been updated for series 2, but I don't know much Series 2 hacking it covers - and how well.

Likewise, you want to extract video from your TiVo. That is covered in the Video Extraction forum. You've already been given the name of the application - search for it in that forum. And then READ. A lot of questions here are from people who wouldn't read the directions, and totally screwed up their TiVo.

PlainBill

[andy7p5]

I don't care if i lose video thats already recorded... the show i want to record runs again on Wednesday. so where are these scripts? and do they require me to remove any screws from my TiVo?

[andy7p5]

and please don't tell me you have to remove the hard drive and plug it into a PC to edit the TiVos files. If you havn't found a software way to do it yet then someone is way behind the times. If an iPod can be hacked with a simple command line, and a PC can be hacked with a simple command line, why can't the TiVo? the TiVo is a computer too.

[johnd01]

No i'm looking for help and so far this help is as good as Microsoft's. Ok you tell me to read a forum but what am i looking for? I've gone over a lot of stuff and have found NOTHING to answer my questions. I need real help not the lazy ass kind of help.

I can feel for you but there is a lot to what you want to do.
I would like to see some overview info as to what hacks do and what dependencies exist.

As far as I can tell you will need to do the Monte hack so you can put software on your TIVO.

After you have Monte running you should have the bash shell running along with ftp and telnet.
All are tools you will need to get started.
Do some of the easy hacks first.

At this point you will be able to learn some more about the OS.

TY will come.

[malfunct]

and please don't tell me you have to remove the hard drive and plug it into a PC to edit the TiVos files. If you havn't found a software way to do it yet then someone is way behind the times. If an iPod can be hacked with a simple command line, and a PC can be hacked with a simple command line, why can't the TiVo? the TiVo is a computer too.

The reason you have to remove the drive once is that the tivo does not have any ports open by default which means there is nothing to "connect" to to hack it. You remove the drive to edit the software to enable the network and serial port and install the initial software (ftp and telnet mainly). Once you have done that you will not need to open the tivo again unless you screw it up.

I would read the sticky thread in the directivo series 2 fourm regarding scripts for installing monte. This will get you the first step of the way by showing you how to hack the software on the tivo to open up networking and allow you to install your own software on the tivo.

Next read the sticky thread on tytools thats in the video extraction forum. This is the easiest (in my and many others opinion) way to extract video from the tivo and edit it.

[aleckarty]

Tivo SA2 series, with 4.01 Operating System.
By reading the threads, and working very hard, I have been able to get the 40 hour DVR up to 322 hours. I have a working Bash, Telnet, FTP, and TivoWebPlus. Credit really goes to the Sleeper's Iso. However, subsequent to Sleeper's Iso installation, much tweaking was necessary. Now, I am totally stumped in getting Ty file extraction completed. Sleeper's Iso installed one version, and I have tried other version installations. Sleeper's does not seem to work on the SA2 series, and no matter what version I end up downloading, it seems as if the tystudio.i386.sh file will not intall on the SA series 2. I have figured out how to FTP the file over to the Tivo, and how to Telnet to install the file, but it keeps giving errors. There are some newer versions of the file, but they all do the same thing. Here is my question, is there someone out there that knows a specific source for a good Ty extraction utility that actually installs and works on the SA2 series, and then allows the files to be extracted to the PC, and then the ability to rip a DVD (or at least instructions to use proprietary software to rip the DVD.) to play in any DVD player. There are so many versions of Ty software that it seems they are all completely mixed up, and not really clear which are able to operate on the SA2. My recordings that were made subsequent to the Sleeper's Iso installation, should already be unscrambled since I already applied the noscramble2 patch. I hope someone who can help me here gets a chance to read this and respond. I do not need hand holding at this point, just a source of the files and the docs for a TyTools or a Ty Studio definitely known to install and operate on a SA2. Thanks so much to whomever can help.

[andy7p5]

Wait i just thought of something interesting... Ok if you get HMO you can network two tivo's together... Can't someone make a TiVo think your PC or Mac is another TiVo? that way it would automatically be willing to "share" it's Now Showing with that other "Tivo" ?

[johnd01]

why can't the TiVo? the TiVo is a computer too.

TIVO is locked down and does not even have a command line to start with. Would you like to trick TIVO into thinking your hack was a real TIVO upgrade and install Monte with USB NIC drivers, telnet, bash, and ftp?

[vu2vu]

Its more work than its worth. There are already methods to extract video from tivo, none of which cost an extra $100 per unit.


Wait i just thought of something interesting... Ok if you get HMO you can network two tivo's together... Can't someone make a TiVo think your PC or Mac is another TiVo? that way it would automatically be willing to "share" it's Now Showing with that other "Tivo" ?

[johnd01]

Wait i just thought of something interesting... Ok if you get HMO you can network two tivo's together... Can't someone make a TiVo think your PC or Mac is another TiVo? that way it would automatically be willing to "share" it's Now Showing with that other "Tivo" ?


The data is transmitted encripted

[AlphaWolf]

and please don't tell me you have to remove the hard drive and plug it into a PC to edit the TiVos files. If you havn't found a software way to do it yet then someone is way behind the times. If an iPod can be hacked with a simple command line, and a PC can be hacked with a simple command line, why can't the TiVo? the TiVo is a computer too.

Since you haven't noticed, theres a difference between a tivo and an ipod. Tivo seen nya (http://a423.g.akamai.net/7/423/1788/b863a0b5745924/www.tivo.com/i/2.0/2.0_s2dvr.jpg), Ipod seen nya (http://a772.g.akamai.net/7/772/51/e4cfb63edcf2cf/www.apple.com/ipod/images/index_three01062004.jpg). Although they both have hard drives, one is an underpriced video recorder, and the other is an overpriced disposable audio player.

See the difference yet?

[JJBliss]

and please don't tell me you have to remove the hard drive and plug it into a PC to edit the TiVos files. If you havn't found a software way to do it yet then someone is way behind the times. If an iPod can be hacked with a simple command line, and a PC can be hacked with a simple command line, why can't the TiVo? the TiVo is a computer too.


Bud... You are in WAAAAY over your head. Take my advice, and adjust your expectations. A PC cannot be hacked with a simple command line, nor can a Tivo.

You are going to have to remove your hard drive and plug it into a PC at least ONE time in order to do what your looking to do. This is a consumer electronics device that was never intended to do what your looking to do.

Start reading, and stop whining.

[JJBliss]

Wait i just thought of something interesting... Ok if you get HMO you can network two tivo's together... Can't someone make a TiVo think your PC or Mac is another TiVo? that way it would automatically be willing to "share" it's Now Showing with that other "Tivo" ?


Well YEAH!!! That's a great idea. Since you have some Macintosh experience, why don't you set that up for us. :rolleyes:

Seriously man, you're working harder trying to avoid the work, then if you just started reading, and stopped typing for a week or so.

[sanderton]

I do not need hand holding at this point, just a source of the files and the docs for a TyTools or a Ty Studio definitely known to install and operate on a SA2. Thanks so much to whomever can help.

Er, the TyTools thread in the Extraction forum ahs all the files and docs at the start.

[PlainBill]

Er, the TyTools thread in the Extraction forum ahs all the files and docs at the start.

Yes, but to load anything on the TiVo it will be necessary to first hack it using TiVoScripts or something similar. To do THAT it will be necessary to open it up and remove the hard drive. andy7p5 has already rejected that approach.

Since he's so smart, my suggestions are obviously not needed.

PlainBill

[Will]

I need real help not the lazy ass kind of help.

Where is David Bought when we _need_ him?

[acr2001]

Where is David Bought when we _need_ him?

Oh man! I feel like subbing for david in here, but ill be nice.

HERES THE DEAL as simply as I can put it...
1. To get the video off of your tivo you have to install a program on it so that your computer can connect to it
2. To access your tivo from your computer you have to "hack" it. This means you have to download a program such as sleepers iso, take the drive out of the tivo, install it in your pc, and "monte" it. This means you will edit the tivo operating system on the drive. Your setting it up so the tivo will enable its serial port giving you a command line that you can access from any pc.
3. Next you have to setup the network drivers for the tivo.
4. Now you install tserver on the tivo and configure everything.
5. To make steps 3-5 permanent (otherwise they will be lost every time the tivo loses power) you have to create an "rc.sysinit.author" file. This is a script that runs every time the tivo boots and enables all of your hacks.
6. You also have to do the kmem hack which causes the tivo to record things unencrypted.
7. extract the video you want.
8. Now you must use a program to convert the ty file to dvd (mpeg2)

The point is, all of this is NOT easy. You have to atleast understand how to use bash (commands) and the linux file structure.

After seeing your posts and how much work your looking to do, I dont think tivo hacking is for you.

[JJBliss]

I don't care if i lose video thats already recorded... the show i want to record runs again on Wednesday. so where are these scripts? and do they require me to remove any screws from my TiVo?

Then why not tape it on a regular VCR, and then transfer it to DVD later?

It will be orders of magnitude easier for someone with your limited skills and limited patience.

[sanderton]

Yes, but to load anything on the TiVo it will be necessary to first hack it using TiVoScripts or something similar. To do THAT it will be necessary to open it up and remove the hard drive. andy7p5 has already rejected that approach.

Since he's so smart, my suggestions are obviously not needed.

PlainBill

I wasn't replying to andy7p5 but to aleckarty.

As has been said, andy7p5 brings out the inner David Bought in all of us. :)

[SR712]

Wait i just thought of something interesting... Can't someone make a TiVo think your PC or Mac is another TiVo?

Not a bad idea, but there are many many hurdles to overcome in order to accomplish this... besides, I'm currently busy trying to make my Voyager think its a Lexus. :D

[AlphaWolf]

Oh man! I feel like subbing for david in here, but ill be nice.
This is why I never argue with david bought, and generally agree with him. He does the job that nobody else wants to do, but they know is necessary.

Besides, he is a lot better at tivo hacking than 99.9% of everybody here.

[SR712]

I don't know, AW, this would be a respectable and normal post for a newbie. I can't fault him for the question and proposal. At least its in the Newbie section, where it should go, and he's not saying... gimme, gimme. He's thinking at least. Might not have all of the details to decide on whether its a good idea or not, but an idea nonetheless. You have to expect some questions like this, right? And, the developers don't necessarily have to respond and spend their time on it. There are plenty of mid-range members here to take care of that. Maybe we need 2 seperate forums, one for newbies and one for development? One won't get in the way of the other, and each can go their own way, unimpeded, but somewhat in parallel.

[AlphaWolf]

I don't know, AW, this would be a respectable and normal post for a newbie.

Well, if it is, may god have mercy on DDB. First he goes and attacks the hands that just gave him food on a silver platter:

No i'm looking for help and so far this help is as good as Microsoft's. Ok you tell me to read a forum but what am i looking for? I've gone over a lot of stuff and have found NOTHING to answer my questions. I need real help not the lazy ass kind of help.

Even calls them lazy...the AUDACITY. Then while being all around clueless about hacking in general (after assuring everybody that he isn't, even though he very obviously is,) he goes and tells everybody that whatever hacks they might have, they are shitty hacks anyways (aside from essentially telling them that whatever advice they are giving him is wrong, even though he knows jack about it at this point):

and please don't tell me you have to remove the hard drive and plug it into a PC to edit the TiVos files. If you havn't found a software way to do it yet then someone is way behind the times. If an iPod can be hacked with a simple command line, and a PC can be hacked with a simple command line, why can't the TiVo? the TiVo is a computer too.

Then he goes on with an issue that has been discussed several fold (hence, he could have easily searched for, if not accidently run into by now) and proceeds to ask about it without looking anyways:

Wait i just thought of something interesting... Ok if you get HMO you can network two tivo's together... Can't someone make a TiVo think your PC or Mac is another TiVo? that way it would automatically be willing to "share" it's Now Showing with that other "Tivo" ?

Sorry, but I definitely have to disagree. If every newbie was like this one, david bought would be insufficient; we would need a whole squadron of david boughts.

[acr2001]

I second that.

[cojonesdetoro]

I need real help not the lazy ass kind of help.

I think you have every right to demand a refund for services un-rendered! ;^P

After that, I would get a cheap-ass VCR and record the program from the Tivo. It sounds like you're too impatient. The bottom line on hacking the Tivo is that it can be real PIA even when you enjoy doing this stuff. Most people get into because they're more interested in the journey than the destination. If you're just looking for a means to an end, you're in for a lot of frustration.

I can sympathize. I recently purchased an expensive DVD recorder because the process of extracting recordings and burning DVDs is tedious even when everything works. Now I have a spare Tivo connected directly to the DVD recorder and I transfer recordings to it that I want to edit and burn. I'm able to get editted stuff onto DVD quickly and painlessly now....and I feel much better. My therapist said that I have taken a positive step in my recovery :-/

[SR712]

Sorry, but I definitely have to disagree. If every newbie was like this one, david bought would be insufficient; we would need a whole squadron of david boughts.

You might be right. Good points.

[aleckarty]

Er, the TyTools thread in the Extraction forum ahs all the files and docs at the start.

Got it. Thank you.

[eastwind]

Sorry, but I definitely have to disagree. If every newbie was like this one, david bought would be insufficient; we would need a whole squadron of david boughts.
Or maybe a squadron of david bought 'bots ;)

ew

[cojonesdetoro]

This is why I never argue with david bought, and generally agree with him. He does the job that nobody else wants to do, but they know is necessary.

David is unecessarily rude. I see people come in here asking questions and being generally polite. I respond to them in a polite way and they usually respond in a positive way. (not the case with the orignal poster, BTW) David's responses can be summed up with "You're an a$$hole for posting this so go to hell you worthless piece of trash". There's a way to say things and a way to say things.

I like the toolbox analogy:

Some peoples' toolboxes have tools for every purpose. They then strive to use the right tool for the right job. Other people only have a hammer so everything they approach gets treated like a nail.

David's a hammer guy.


EDIT: case in point:

http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?t=32582

[PlainBill]

I like the toolbox analogy:

Some peoples' toolboxes have tools for every purpose. They then strive to use the right tool for the right job. Other people only have a hammer so everything they approach gets treated like a nail.

David's a hammer guy.


EDIT: case in point:

http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?t=32582

You know, that'st the nicest thing I have heard anyone say about DB.

PlainBill

[cojonesdetoro]

You know, that'st the nicest thing I have heard anyone say about DB.
PlainBill

David hates the noobs, oh don't ask why for no one quite knows the reason.

It could be perhaps that his shoes were too tight.

It could be his head wasn't screwed on just right.

But I think that the most likely reason of all may have been that his heart was two sizes too small.

But whatever the reason, his heart or his shoes, he stood there at DDB hating the noobs.


Sorry, couldn't help it. I was archiving my Christmas recordings while reading this thread. :-/

[PlainBill]

<SNIP>
Sorry, couldn't help it. I was archiving my Christmas recordings while reading this thread. :-/


Hmm, When they make a movie of David's life, do you suppose they will get Jim Carrey to play him?

After all, he's played both God and The Grinch.

PlainBill

[AlphaWolf]

EDIT: case in point:

http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?t=32582

Hmm...to be honest, there are a few things I don't like about that one either. Sorry, again I disagree.

[PlainBill]

David's a hammer guy.

EDIT: case in point:

http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?t=32582

Now that's pathetic. DB will sometimes give useful information, even in the Newbie forum - although more likely then not the help is as a cryptic hint. The number of times he has flamed someone is far greater. Now he tells someone Next time attach the damn file instead of playing games.


Ah, well, it's not my problem.

PlainBill

[cojonesdetoro]

Now that's pathetic. DB will sometimes give useful information, even in the Newbie forum - although more likely then not the help is as a cryptic hint. The number of times he has flamed someone is far greater. Now he tells someone

Ah, well, it's not my problem.

PlainBill

If I would have attached the file he would have flamed me for cluttering up the forum when the file's available elsewhere.