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340HP
06-25-2004, 07:30 PM
Yes, yes, dumb newbie question.. How do I get rid of that? I can't record..

I called in DTV to activate my card - yes, I'm paying for the service. I've done the full Monte and the hacks - my bash works. But I can't record anything. I don't want my DVR to be calling home and reporting on what I watch every month.

Thanks in advance.

gotxp
06-25-2004, 07:48 PM
simply run fixsub and restart... That should take care of the "Final Steps to Activate Problem"

But if you are getting the Activate your service and your SERVICE IS ACTIVATED than the only thing I could say is do a clear and deleate everything... This happened to me when I tryed 4.0 software (a clear and delete fixed it for me)...

PS: What software version are you running... thx :)

340HP
06-25-2004, 07:55 PM
Appreciate the prompt reply.

I'm running 3.1.1.c with full Monte (series 2 Hughes).

As for fixsub, I already ran that. No go. The DVR service is not activated on the card (tier). Only DTV. Can I run a trier bypass or do I need to call into DTV and have them activate DVR for the $5 monthly?

Cheers.

gotxp
06-25-2004, 08:01 PM
If you dont have the tier that IS the answer... You MUST have this on the card as there is NO lifetime sub with series 2 tivos...

For $5 it is well worth it... I actually get the premium pack and therefore it is free (included with the bundle)...

:)

JJBliss
06-25-2004, 08:02 PM
Appreciate the prompt reply.

I'm running 3.1.1.c with full Monte (series 2 Hughes).

As for fixsub, I already ran that. No go. The DVR service is not activated on the card (tier). Only DTV. Can I run a trier bypass or do I need to call into DTV and have them activate DVR for the $5 monthly?

Cheers.

err... You can run a tier bypass, but then you'd be commiting a crime as you continue to steal the DVR service from DTV.

Moreover, based on your level of questions, I don't think you'd be capable of such a thing anyway.

If you don't activate the DVR service for $5 a month, you get no Tivo.

340HP
06-25-2004, 08:54 PM
err... You can run a tier bypass, but then you'd be commiting a crime as you continue to steal the DVR service from DTV.

Moreover, based on your level of questions, I don't think you'd be capable of such a thing anyway.

If you don't activate the DVR service for $5 a month, you get no Tivo.

I don't appreciate your condescending tone. Where there is a will there is a way. Just because I don't know TIVO hacking, doesn't mean I'm wet behind the ears.

In either case, thanks for the retort. $5 per month won't break my savings account. I don't plan on stealing service either.

Grazi.

alldeadhomiez
06-25-2004, 09:00 PM
I don't appreciate your condescending tone. Where there is a will there is a way. Just because I don't know TIVO hacking, doesn't mean I'm wet behind the ears.

Obviously you didn't have the good sense to avoid bringing up "tier bypasses" on a site that clearly forbids service theft discussions.

Don't do it again.

Sleeper
06-26-2004, 03:03 AM
I'm not trying to pick a fight or start an argument.

As you aware, I clearly don't condone theft of service.

I just want to know where the poster might have read the warning. I know that it is in the stickys. I'm not defending his actions but if he is like most newbies he just signed up and posted.

I guess my question is: Does it state when you sign up that theft of service is forbidden?

340HP, I can tell you from experience that giving the mods crap, especially when you are clearly in the wrong is not a wise move.

BTUx9
06-26-2004, 03:15 AM
I'm not trying to pick a fight or start an argument.

As you aware, I clearly don't condone theft of service.

I just want to know where the poster might have read the warning. I know that it is in the stickys. I'm not defending his actions but if he is like most newbies he just signed up and posted.

I guess my question is: Does it state when you sign up that theft of service is forbidden?

340HP, I can tell you from experience that giving the mods crap, especially when you are clearly in the wrong is not a wise move.
Excellent point.
Mods, because only SOME of the threads specify "NO DTV HACKING TALK ALOUD!!" it almost implies that that is a per-thread rule. And there is no sticky in Newbies stating the forum-wide rules. Even if this subject IS covered in the registration email, I think it's well worth duplicating. What say you?

gotxp
06-26-2004, 10:47 AM
I agree, Dont blame 340HP for not knowning. It seems obvious that he likly just assumed that it wasnt considered stealing DTV service (since most people think of card testing when they hear that)... :)

JJBliss
06-26-2004, 10:47 AM
Excellent point.
Mods, because only SOME of the threads specify "NO DTV HACKING TALK ALOUD!!" it almost implies that that is a per-thread rule. And there is no sticky in Newbies stating the forum-wide rules. Even if this subject IS covered in the registration email, I think it's well worth duplicating. What say you?


I say it's on the index (http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/index.php?) screen underneath the link TO THE NEWBIE FORUM, in very clear lettering:


Newbie Tivo (10 Viewing)
If you just got your tivo, or are new to tivo hacking, your question definitely belongs here. This includes essentially all questions like "can i" or "where do i find", etc. NO DTV HACKING TALK ALLOWED!!

If he is truly an uniformed newbie, as you postulate, then it would behoove him to READ the rules of each Forum, as opposed to each thread as you indicate. It shouldn't BE a sticky, when it is covered on the VERY FIRST PAGE!

JJBliss
06-26-2004, 10:53 AM
I agree, Dont blame 340HP for not knowning. It seems obvious that he likly just assumed that it wasnt considered stealing DTV service (since most people think of card testing when they hear that)... :)

and based on my post above, I disagree. There is NO way he missed the rules on his way into the Newbie forum, unless he didn't read. If he didn't read what was on the screen, what else could we do? Put it somewhere ELSE that he wouldn't have read?

Regarding your other argument, 340HP knew quite well that it was considered stealing DTV service, since he mentions a "tier bypass", and discusses whether or not he'd have to actually "PAY" DTV the $5/month that he would owe them for the service.

He was investigating ways to avoid paying the $5 for the DVR service. Service Theft. Done.

JJBliss
06-26-2004, 10:54 AM
Oh, yeah.... and

MOVED TO THE SEWER

alldeadhomiez
06-26-2004, 11:11 AM
If he just signed up, then the forum rules (http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showpost.php?p=169741&postcount=72) should be fresh in his mind. In particular:


By agreeing to these rules, you warrant that you will not post any messages that are obscene, vulgar, sexually-orientated, hateful, threatening, or otherwise violative of any laws.

Yes, really, you're not allowed to post illegal stuff here. That includes talking about service theft / bypassing tiers, bombmaking instructions, kiddie porn, warez, and all sorts of other things that we will not spell out, because we expect our users to know better.

Just use your heads, guys.

BTUx9
06-26-2004, 04:01 PM
Given that much of the hacking is a grey area, Our point (if I may speak for the others) is that these rules should be spelled out.

We're not arguing that the rules are wrong, far from it! We think they should be in black and white, plain to see (as opposed to on a screen that people often click-thru when they agree to legalese when signing up for something).

And putting this thread in the sewer (and others like it) just ensures that almost nobody will see these issues.

It could be argued that:
1) DTV hacking could be talked about in Series 2 support, Series 1 Support, Extraction Support, etc. because it's specifically disallowed in some other forums but not there
2) Hacks giving free Tivo service could be talked about in all forums
I *KNOW* this isn't the case, but given that the only official posting is in the line that ADH quoted, which is on the signup page and nowhere else, seemingly, doesn't it make sense to put these rules somewhere public and obvious??

I'm just finding it hard to believe that moderators are jumping down our necks because we feel the rules should be MORE publicly posted.

fixn278
06-26-2004, 04:21 PM
Fact of the matter is, since signing up for an account on this forum you agree to keep posts with illegal information out of the forum, I don't think any further clarification is warranted.

Let's just say a post with specific rules is created. This post says... no theft of service talk is allowed. How many people will post saying they are paying, but just want to know how to do it? So now there are specific rules posted. Even if the users follow the rules to the letter, then they will have to be constantly updated to follow new ways to steal service. I think saying, "if it isn't legal, don't talk about it" is plenty. No grey areas... not legal=do not discuss here. Anything mods feel the need to add further is their prerogative.

Those that want to ignore the rules will do so regardless of how well they are spelled out.

BTUx9
06-26-2004, 04:41 PM
Fact of the matter is, since signing up for an account on this forum you agree to keep posts with illegal information out of the forum, I don't think any further clarification is warranted.
But by those rules, he just posted in the wrong place, right? If he had posted this:

As for fixsub, I already ran that. No go. The DVR service is not activated on the card (tier). Only DTV. Can I run a trier bypass or do I need to call into DTV and have them activate DVR for the $5 monthly?
in Series 2 support, you wouldn't have flamed him?

The post is not illegal in itself, nor is the conversation, nor is it against that channel's rules.

THAT is why we want these rules posted, because I know VERY well that if he had posted there, he would have received the same response, so why not make the rules reflect that (and put them somewhere obvious)?

P.S. I'm not sure HOW you can claim there are no grey areas. Since DMCA, there's almost nothing but.

HsatcardH
06-26-2004, 04:44 PM
Ignorance is no excuse for breaking the rules.

alldeadhomiez
06-26-2004, 04:46 PM
Given that much of the hacking is a grey area, Our point (if I may speak for the others) is that these rules should be spelled out.

They are spelled out. Service theft is obviously not a gray area as people have gone to prison for it.

When you open your own hacking site, you will be free to childproof it as much as possible. We will continue to run our site for the benefit of rational adults who can read, think, and exercise good judgment on their own.

BTUx9
06-26-2004, 04:50 PM
They are spelled out. Service theft is obviously not a gray area as people have gone to prison for it.

When you open your own hacking site, you will be free to childproof it as much as possible. We will continue to run our site for the benefit of rational adults who can read, think, and exercise good judgment on their own.
Discussion of service theft is not.

And posting forum rules publicly, obviously, and easily accessible is hardly "childproofing". It's common courtesy.

I reiterate: would his post be acceptable on Series 2 Support?

alldeadhomiez
06-26-2004, 05:05 PM
Discussion of service theft is not.

And posting forum rules publicly, obviously, and easily accessible is hardly "childproofing". It's common courtesy.

I reiterate: would his post be acceptable on Series 2 Support?

Whatever. If all you want to do all day is play "lawyer," go pester the mods at wumarkus or join the Debian mailing lists.

This discussion has wasted enough of everybody's time, so...

-Thread Closed-

JJBliss
06-27-2004, 12:27 PM
For future reference, i solved BTUx9's problem. Since it wasn't clearly spelled out enough for him in the "Series 2" forum (which is where his argument stemmed from), I added "NO DTV HACKING TALK" to the description of that forum, AS WELL AS all the others.

Now there will be no excuse.

I'm really quite shocked that folks who undoubtedly like to fancy themselves as bright individuals didn't grasp what we were trying to accomplish.

Oh well. Now it's easier for those with simpler minds. Sometimes you just gotta lower the bar. :rolleyes: