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captain_video
06-26-2004, 05:38 PM
I just thought I'd relay an experience I had with Orbit Communications, otherwise known as Orbitsat on the web (www.orbitsat.com). Back in January of '04 I ordered four Philips DSR7000 DirecTivos from Orbistsat via their website. Before they would ship the units I had to sign an agreement and fax it back to them indicating that I would agree to activate the receivers within 30 days of purchase or pay a surcharge. This is pretty much SOP for any retailer of DTV equipment so it was no big deal.

About one week later I received the shipment of DTivos, packed two to a box. When I opened them up I could hear things moving around inside the DTivo chassis'. This was not a good sign and my fears were confirmed when I removed the top cover to inspect the unit. Three of the four hard drives had detached themselves from the chassis and were loose inside the cases. This is because the hard drive brackets were fastened with double-sided tape and the cold weather caused the tape to lose adhesion. The Tivo boxes were packed such that they were standing on edge instead of laying flat. The vibrations from shipping combined with the cold weather caused the tape to break free.

I was able to reattach two of the drives with no problem as well as the ribbon cables that had also come loose from the hard drives bumping into them. The third drive was another issue altogether. It had bounced around inside the chassis with enough force as to crack the power supply board, rendering it totally DOA. The other two DTivos worked fine after reattaching the drives and reseating the ribbon cables. I had to get an RMA from Orbitsat to return the defective unit.

I was also prompted via e-mail to contact the Orbitsat website to indicate which access cards had been activated to show that I had fulfilled my part of the obligation. I was only able to activate 3 of the 4 access cards since the 4th was being returned and indicated in the comments section that one had been damaged during shipping.

I finally received the replacement DTivo about 4 weeks later. The replacement unit was a DSR704 and not a DSR7000 like I had originally ordered. I didn't have a problem with it so I went ahead and activated it like the others. I never received any follow-on requests to report the access card number like I had with the original DTivos so I let it slide. I was, however, receiving a multitude of e-mails requesting that I report the status of the RMA request. When I tried to report the info via the website link it kept giving me an error. The info was never processed properly, resulting in a constant barrage of RMA status requests on a daily basis.

A couple of months later I received a letter from a collection agency on behalf of Orbitsat telling me that I had to pay a surcharge on the 4th unit that was never activated. I contacted the agency and explained the situation but the person who's name was on the letter was not available so I had to deal with his assistant. I followed up on the call to see how things were progressing and I was assured that it had been taken care of and that the matter could be considered closed. They had asked me for the access card number of the replacement DTivo but I could not honestly tell them what it was although I assured the woman that it had been activated within 48 hours after receipt of the replacement DTivo. I had since activated several other DSR704's on my DTV account and didn't remember which ones were still active and which ones had been deactivated. They didn't press the issue even though I tried my best to determine what the access card number was.

-To be continued

captain_video
06-26-2004, 05:39 PM
About two weeks ago I received a phone call from Orbitsat telling me that they were turning over the claim to their legal department and were prepared to file suit against me for breach of contract. They also threatened to contact all of my creditors and ruin my credit rating. I tried to explain the situation to this person and indicated that I had no idea what the access card number was since it had been so long since I had activated the unit and didn't even know if it was still active on my account. I also told him that it wasn't my responsibility to keep their records up to date. The guy was incensed that I actually might have deactivated the DTivo and insisted that I had signed an agreement to keep the DTivo active for 12 months. He continued to make even more threats about ruining my credit.

The guy swore that the agreement I signed committed me to a 12 month contract with DTV when in fact it contained no such wording and that the commitment was with DTV and not Orbitsat (I still have the original signed agreement to confirm this). I even pointed out to him that the DTV agreement only requires that I keep a minimum package of Total Choice or better for 12 months from the day I activated the new equipment but nowhere in the agreement does it specify which equipment is required to be on the account for that duration. I was a bit purturbed that he was making an issue over something that was of no concern to Orbitsat and that they only needed confirmation that the replacement DTivo and access card had been activated within 30 days of receipt.

He referred me to someone in the Orbitsat legal department to contact and I said I would do so as soon as possible. In the meantime I had checked my DTV statements to see when the DSR704 was activated and I narrowed it down to a couple of access card numbers. About one hour later I got another phone call from the same Orbitsat rep. He checked with the warehouse and they had the shipping records for the replacement DTivo as well as the access card number of the unit they sent me. As it turned out, I still have the DSR704 active on my account and they were now satisfied that I had fulfilled my obligation and would pursue it no further. I asked him for the access card number to confirm that it was on my account and also in the event that this ever came up again in the future.

Now, it would certainly seem to me that if they needed the access card info that badly then why didn't they check with the warehouse in the first place? They put me through hell for over six months before they decided everything was OK. BTW, I am still getting daily RMA update e-mails from Orbitsat six months after the original RMA request. I have been reporting it to Comcast as spam but I don't expect anything will happen. I have also sent numerous e-mails to Orbitsat demanding that they cease and desist with the e-mails but have heard nothing more from them since they said they would stop them about four months ago.

I'm guessing my next step should be to send this info to the president of the company to show him just how incompetently his organisation is being run. No consumer should ever have to be subjected to this kind of scrutiny when the entire fault rests with Orbitsat. If they had simply packed the boxes properly to begin with this entire incident would never have transpired. Did I also mention that they charged me $120 to ship the four DTivos originally and also wanted me to pay for return shipping on the damaged DTivo? I checked with the UPS website and total shipping costs for all four DTivos was only about $22.00. I managed to convince the CSR that shipping had already been paid for to cover numerous round trips for each DTivo I had purchased so they sent me a prepaid shipping label for returning the damaged unit.

captain_video
06-26-2004, 05:52 PM
Sorry, duplicate post.

SR712
06-26-2004, 07:04 PM
About two weeks ago I received a phone call from Orbitsat telling me that they were turning over the claim to their legal department and were prepared to file suit against me for breach of contract. They also threatened to contact all of my creditors and ruin my credit rating. I tried to explain the situation to this person and indicated that I had no idea what the access card number was since it had been so long since I had activated the unit and didn't even know if it was still active on my account. I also told him that it wasn't my responsibility to keep their records up to date. The guy was incensed that I actually might have deactivated the DTivo and insisted that I had signed an agreement to keep the DTivo active for 12 months. He continued to make even more threats about ruining my credit.

The guy swore that the agreement I signed commited me to a 12 month contract with DTV when in fact it contained no such wording and that the commitment was with DTV and not Orbitsat (I still have the original signed agreement to confirm this). I even pointed out to him that the DTV agreement only requires that I keep a minimum package of Total Choice or better for 12 months from the day I activated the new equipment but nowhere in the agreement does it specify which equipment is required to be on the account for that duration.

He referred me to someone in the Orbitsat legal department to contact and I said I would do so as soon as possible. In the meantime I had checked my DTV statements to see when the DSR704 was activated and I narrowed it down to a couple of access card numbers. About one hour later I got another phone call from the same Orbitsat rep. He checked with the warehouse and they had the shipping records for the replacement DTivo as well as the access card number of the unit they sent me. As it turned out, I still have the DSR704 active on my account and they were now satisfied that I had fulfilled my obligation and would pursue it no further.

Now, it would certainly seem to me that if they needed the access card info that badly then why didn't they check with the warehouse in the first place? They put me through hell for over six months before they decided everything was OK. BTW, I am still getting daily RMA update e-mails from Orbitsat six months after the original RMA request. I have been reporting it to Comcast as spam but I don't expect anything will happen. I have also sent numerous e-mails to Orbitsat demanding that they cease and desist with the e-mails but have heard nothing more from them since they said they would stop them about four months ago.

You just said that .... :D

Blackh8552
08-04-2004, 11:42 PM
Bottom line orbit sat sucks. I deal with them at work. Customer buy broken DOA satellite recievers and then are turned over to the maker of the unit to get warranty service.

cashion
08-27-2004, 01:51 PM
Bottom line orbit sat sucks.

I've never dealt with them myself, but this story has legs:

http://www.securityfocus.com/news/9411

From the story:

"I think it's the first case of its kind involving a DDoS for commercial advantage or for hire," says Alikhan. "There are DDoS attacks all the time organized on IRC, but this is certainly the first case where you have a corporate executive who was using the services of another person to launch attacks against competitors."

captain_video
08-27-2004, 03:15 PM
Wow! Orbitsat's CEO is a bigger slimeball than I ever imagined. I hope the SOB gets a nice long vacation at the taxpayer's expense (hopefully in a room without a view). :D

tgif
09-04-2004, 08:57 AM
Wow! Orbitsat's CEO is a bigger slimeball than I ever imagined. I hope the SOB gets a nice long vacation at the taxpayer's expense (hopefully in a room without a view). :)

OMG!!!

That guy is a f***ing a$$hole!!!

I purchased two receivers from them about 2 years ago and it was the WORST buying experience I've ever had. After I paid, I started receiving threatening emails stating that I didn't pay for the receivers. Yeah right!!! I had to pay by CC when I ordered the receivers!!! Total lamers.

Then I get an email that my account was being sent to their "legal" department. LOL!

I had emails with the owner, and that guy IS an a$$. He's totally impolite, unprofessional and in dire need of an attitude adjustment. And from that news report, looks like he's an id1ot to boot. Violating the RICO statute (organized crime), and a slew of other laws, is just plain stupid. Looks like he's going to get his in the end. If the Feds want him, they WILL get him.

LOL!!! ~"So, make sure you DOS their new host ASAP, right, the one that also hosts Homeland Security..." LOLOLOL!! That's one way to piss off the Feds!!

...couldn't have happened to a nicer guy!!!! :)

PS: Sorry you had a hard time with them CV...but hey, what comes around goes around.