4.0.1b image on eMule is not compleate

[gNOMEintheRedHa]

I just downloaded the 4.0.1b 80gig image from eMule and it does not have the background MPEGs.

other than that it seems OK, but I have to go to a blank channel to see the menus.

[captain_video]

There are lots of bad images floating around emule and other P-P networks. I found at least 9 different versions of 4.0.1b listed on emule earlier this evening. I had four 4.x images that I had downloaded from a site many months ago and never got around to trying them until today. All of them turned out to be bad in one way or another. I didn't feel like waiting days or even weeks to get an image from emule or bittorrent with no guarantee that it would even work so I bit the bullet and downloaded the InstantCake iso from PTVUpgrade. It only took about 5 or 6 minutes with a broadband connection. I'm still in the middle of doing my first 4.X+RID upgrade on a DSR704 but so far everything is looking good.

[RavenStL]

The last good 4.01b image on Emule is a -xxx if I remember right.

Here is the filename

Tivo-S2-4.0.1b-02-2-xxx.mfs

That one was good 6 months ago, it should still be around?????

[gNOMEintheRedHa]

What's the deal with the PTV images?

Is it legal for them to sell the ISOs with all of the OpenSource software?

[The Only Druid]

What's the deal with the PTV images?

Is it legal for them to sell the ISOs with all of the OpenSource software?
First of all, the Tivo OS/Kernel is not opensource. Things like tivoapp, etc. are quite proprietary. If it were all opensource, they'd put the source code to all of it out, instead of just the components that they make available (which would make hacking immensely more smiple).

Second, while Tivo is quite adamant about no one reselling images of their OS, somehow PTV has negotiated a deal with them to allow it. As I understand it, they're the only licensed distributor.

I admit, I have absolutely no clue why Tivo allows it at all. I haven't yet figured out the reason to use such an image except for hacking, since the only reason you would be restoring a clean image to a drive is if you're replacing the current OS for some reason (including moving to a new drive). That said, I hope they dont stop letting them do it...

[alldeadhomiez]

First of all, the Tivo OS/Kernel is not opensource. Things like tivoapp, etc. are quite proprietary.

The kernel is open source (GPL).

The kernel image contains a copyrighted initrd, and (in the case of killhdinitrd kernels) additional code that is copyrighted by Riley and the HD TeAm. Therefore, the extracted kernel is freely distributable (if you offer the source code), but kernel images / .px files are not.

Some of the userland commands and kernel modules are GPL, but the majority of what makes the box a TiVo (like the dozens of programs that comprise tivoapp) are not.

Second, while Tivo is quite adamant about no one reselling images of their OS, somehow PTV has negotiated a deal with them to allow it. As I understand it, they're the only licensed distributor.

I admit, I have absolutely no clue why Tivo allows it at all. I haven't yet figured out the reason to use such an image except for hacking, since the only reason you would be restoring a clean image to a drive is if you're replacing the current OS for some reason (including moving to a new drive). That said, I hope they dont stop letting them do it...

I believe IC was designed to allow end users to upgrade or replace their hard drive. It contains only stock software.

A few issues that may affect TiVo's willingness to attack IC are:

1. The fact that hard drives have a high failure rate, combined with the fact that "warranty service" costs about as much as buying a new unit after the pitiful 90-day labor warranty runs out, could have an adverse effect on customer goodwill or spark litigation. Allowing a vendor to provide a known good image to customers who want to fix it themselves can serve as a sort of "release valve" and prevent a lot of headaches.

2. PTVupgrade has taken the position that the entire software image is covered by the terms of the GPL (http://archive.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?postid=1573430#post1573430). Not surprisingly, there is a considerable amount of debate surrounding this point; however, if PTVupgrade has the legal and financial resources to defend his position in court, this is a battle that might not be worth fighting, in TiVo's view.