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OvitivO
12-09-2011, 04:27 PM
The new TiVo HD DVR from DIRECTV (http://www.directv.com/DTVAPP/content/technology/tivo_receiver)

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/7167/thr22.png


Experience DIRECTV with the TiVo® HD DVR.
With the TiVo HD DVR from DIRECTV, you can enjoy the amazing entertainment on DIRECTV with the features you love from TiVo. Create WishLists® that automatically find and record shows and movies you’re interested in. Discover new shows based on what you already love. And automatically record every episode of an entire season, even if its air time changes.
Please note: The TiVo HD DVR from DIRECTV is not compatible with DIRECTV Whole-Home DVR service, 3D and other DIRECTV features

Woooohoo! Time to dust off my old notes while waiting for delivery and try to figure out what new "challenges" await us!

PlainBill
12-09-2011, 07:23 PM
not compatible with DIRECTV Whole-Home DVR service, 3D and other DIRECTV features

Let's see, that includes caller ID, scheduling recording from a remote location, and viewing recordings on a computer.

Seems to be a lot to give up to regain the TiVo UI. Losing Whole-Home would be a killer as far as my wife is concerned.

PlainBill

OvitivO
12-10-2011, 01:56 PM
Let's see, that includes caller ID, scheduling recording from a remote location, and viewing recordings on a computer.

Seems to be a lot to give up to regain the TiVo UI.

True...but we also had those features about 8 years ago on our hacked units. :D

PlainBill
12-10-2011, 10:29 PM
Of course. However, it seems likely that the new DirecTiVos will be just as hackable as the DirecTV DVRs and the latest TiVos. So you can choose between those features, or you can have a TiVo UI - but not both.

PlainBill

adam1115
12-11-2011, 02:29 PM
Of course. However, it seems likely that the new DirecTiVos will be just as hackable as the DirecTV DVRs and the latest TiVos. So you can choose between those features, or you can have a TiVo UI - but not both.

PlainBill

Why? Since these units weren't designed to be TiVos, isn't it possible the security techniques that are present in the TiVo units might not be as bulletproof on this unit?

PlainBill
12-11-2011, 03:16 PM
Because the present DirecTV DVRs have never been hacked, either. Why should you assume that TiVo's hardware designers are superior to DirecTV's?
As a matter of fact, the DirecTiVo THR22 uses the same hardware as the DirecTV HR22 DVR. I would say unless the TiVo programmers deliberately crippled the protection (highly unlikely) the new product will be just as unhackable.

PlainBill

adam1115
12-11-2011, 10:58 PM
The HRs don't run an OS on the hard drive like a TiVo does. That makes it MUCH more difficult to modify the OS to hack into it. Because TiVo runs a Linux OS on the hard drive, it makes it easier to modify the system files.

It's possible that TiVo radically altered the way it works on the THR22, but it seems much more likely that it works like a traditional TiVo.

AlphaWolf
12-14-2011, 03:48 PM
If it does run like a tivo, or at least uses something similar to the initrd, you'd have this as an attack vector:

http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?65778-A-thought-occurred-to-me&p=313710#post313710

stevel
12-21-2011, 06:21 PM
I'm surprised nobody has opened one up and mounted the disk to see if it resembles a TiVo or not.

gkoth
12-22-2011, 03:01 AM
If MRV could be enabled, it would be perfect for us. I am nursing along two old SD DirecTiVos. Was waiting and waiting for this unit and find out it is crippled. Had Series 3 on cable and loved those. Especially with THX certification. Now that we travel full time satellite is really the only option. And it must be the TiVo UI for my lovely wife.

PlainBill
12-22-2011, 09:36 AM
I'm surprised nobody has opened one up and mounted the disk to see if it resembles a TiVo or not.

Somebody may already have, but that topic would be discouraged on DBStalk for a number of reasons.

PlainBill

poochbeast
02-08-2012, 03:21 PM
Somebody may already have, but that topic would be discouraged on DBStalk for a number of reasons.

PlainBill
But it's encouraged here...right? I thought "hacking the TiVo" was the reason we're all here...as long as "Hacking direcTv" is NOT discussed. For me personally, I'm most interested in anything that has to do with TiVo extraction!

stevel
02-08-2012, 05:33 PM
Sure, we'd be glad to discuss extraction here. However, I suspect that the THR22 will be much more resistant to hacking than the older DTiVos.

h2opumper
02-09-2012, 05:09 PM
I began with the SD DTivos and made my way to the HD DTivos, while in the meantime moved to an HR21 as well. Over the last year, the DTivos have began to fail and I have not replaced them or the drives, which is what had been failing I'm sure. I have a 2TB drive in the HR21 with about 70% available and it had always been slow, now even more so since DTV upgraded it a month or so ago. Needless to say, we're looking to change to a different reciever. I have always missed the Tivo UI, but it seems as though DTV is marketing this new Tivo unit as a handicapped unit. I have no doubt that if it did what the HR2x's would do, it would leave them in the dust and DTV's warehouses would be full of new old stock shortly. With the customization ability of Tivo, do you think the new DTivo's will have the features of the HR's made available through future software updates? Does it's hardware offer the ability for software to make it possible? What are your thoughts on DTV abandoning their DVR for Tivo's DVR engine system-wide in the future? I also remember that the last SD DTivo's, I believe was the R10, were much more difficult to do much to aside from hard drive upgrades without a flash.

poochbeast
02-09-2012, 07:28 PM
I received this email notice today from TiVo...officially announcing the nationwide rollout The TiVo® HD DVR from DIRECTV:

http://info.tivo.com/PS!bi2LPreiAXQFBgIAAAAGCgFICgkxMTE5NjI2MTQKCjIyNjgxMDc4NzQJAGsyUwoJNjk3Mjg2NzMzBQ

stevel
02-09-2012, 08:56 PM
The hardware of the THR22 is identical to that of the HR21/HR22. I have an HR21 and the new HD GUI makes it much faster overall.

The software is upgradeable just as the HR2x series is - whether or not new features will be added is anyone's guess.

kprinkki
02-17-2012, 09:43 PM
I have gotten my first 3 HR22 units. I got the first one going and booted it up right away, planning to upgrade HD later. Well I got my HD's in and my wife has recorded stuff on it already. Now I know that on these units, you can just plop in the new HD and get it going, but can you copy data from old HD using MFStools and extend partition or am I just SOL?

PlainBill
02-17-2012, 10:47 PM
I have gotten my first 3 HR22 units. I got the first one going and booted it up right away, planning to upgrade HD later. Well I got my HD's in and my wife has recorded stuff on it already. Now I know that on these units, you can just plop in the new HD and get it going, but can you copy data from old HD using MFStools and extend partition or am I just SOL?

Maybe neither. This thread are for the new HD DVRs running TiVo software. What kind of a unit did you get - the DirecTV DVR with their own firmware or the new HD DirecTiVo with TiVo firmware? If you got the new HD DirecTiVos you have my sympathy and you may be SOL. If you got the DirecTV HD DVRs, keep reading.

MFS Tools won't cut it, the file structure is totally different. It IS possible (easy) to copy the contents of the old drive to the new drive. Read the entire thread 'HOWTO: Upgrade the Hard Drive in an HR20' (directly above this one) and follow the links to the DBSTalk forums for step by step procedures.

In a nutshell, you boot the DirecTV HD-DVR with the new drive in it. This formats the drive. Then you place both old and new drives in a computer, boot form a bootable Linux CD, and copy the files from one drive to another. The best part is it appends the files on the source drive to the target drive. If you screw up your recording are still present on the original drive.

PlainBill