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    The rules for this Thread!!!

    Alright. The rules in this thread are the same as the last one for my tools. A great many things have been updated recently. And there are some pretty sweet features coming in the near future. But as always it is best to start with a charter for this thread.

    Just like before these are rules for this thread, not the forum. If you want to discuss things deemed off limits here make your own threads and set your own rules. But if you decide to participate here then please follow the guidelines.

    So the rules for this thread are:

    1- NO FLAMES AND NO ARGUMENTS... I am through trying to be nice on this as it just plain does not work. I will without reservation delete anything that shows up here that could be considered either of the above. Enough is enough.

    2- It has become clear that we have 2 distinct camps with zealots in both. Fine. Use my stuff. Use Olaf's. I couldn't care less. Many of us got dragged into a war we didn't know we were supposed to be involved in... So a new rule. We discuss ONLY my own tools here... Leave the rest in their own threads! This is not intended to be an attack but rather to stop them. You don't like me. Fine. You don't like my tools fine. You don't like those that use them. You're an ***** but fine for hating people you have never ever met so just go somewhere else.

    3- NO ADVERTISING FOR OTHER TOOLS. Again this thread is again about Vsplit/TyTool. If you have something cool to use in place of or even with them the take it to a different thread. Any post by anyone about "you really should use X instead..." is gone the moment I or some of other mods see it.

    This is still an open forum. Create your own thread and have at it. But such posts are entirely unwelcome here.

    4- Feel free to discuss various OS/wishes/desires/etc.... At some point we should support as much as is possible.

    5- Feel free to ask for features but be aware that I am making no promises except to work on things in general... I mean it. Ask. But don't hound me or anyone else, that accomplishes nothing. If you think of something that would be cool let me know. I will add it to the list.

    6- I suppose I should say it... I reserve the right to disappear at any time. Just like you do. When life interferes hobbies get put on hold. Having said that it will be obvious when you look at the new toolset that I have been putting in a great deal of time on it. Hope that it helps every do what they want to with their Tivos...

    7- Keep DVDLab, tmpgenc et all to a dull roar in here please. It might be better say that we are now 3 camps. TyTool, TyStudio, and TyTool with the output being used elsewhere. I don't mind the occasional this works with DVDLab/Tmpgenc etc... in reference to a problem someone asks about. But in the last while it has felt like we had dropped to advertising again. Please don't do that. There are a number of very good DVDLab threads here on the forum to do that kind of thing etc...


    An important note!

    Several of these programs require the cygwin1.dll to run. Some of the tools in the TyTool release, mpeg2enc and dvdauthor most notably, were compiled with the cygwin cross compiler. To run these require the presence of the cygwin1,.dll file. This file is huge and seems to get larger all of the time. There is no need to download a new copy of this file everytime. While it does change it is not that frequent. So please download the zip for it from here in this post or else grab it from the homepage: www.cygwin.com

    Again, if you try to use the Frame Accurate Editing or DVD features of TyTool this dll is required. If you see a major popup window when trying you are missing the dll. Please unpack the DLL into the same directory as the rest of the TyTool files and executables.


    EDIT: A new version of the Cygwin1.dll is now up for download. Please replace the one currently in use with this one. Feb 20, 2004.


    --jdiner
    Last edited by jdiner; 02-26-2004 at 10:08 PM.

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    Release: TyTool9r8 with DVD support...

    TyTool 9r8 with DVD Support. The attachment has the new versions of the tooset in it. All DVD extras and tserver versions are found within it. VSplit has not been updated to match this release. Although an update for it is planned in the near future.

    This version is a major upgrade from the earlier 8 series of TyTool. It adds Frame Accurate Editing (FAE) to the mix.

    Please check the included docs for information about it. The release notes for 9r1 contain detailed informtion about the FAE editing process. Eventually this information will migrate into an editing document.

    Highlights of the Fixes and Features in this Release:

    1- Fixed the crash in GopEditor when you clicked in the cutlist listbox when there is nothing in it. It was part of the new colored rendering code. The strange thing is that I noticed it only today as I was doing more development. It would however have been present for the last umpteen releases.

    2- Removed the debug test button that been left in the GopEditor GUI.

    3- Added the add a Chapter features to both the GopEditor GUI and the TyTool processes.

    4- Added the proposed cut point field explosion to GopEditor GUI, then I removed it. Took up way to much room for so little actual value. Still looking for some way to do this. Right now I am leaning towards a tooltip style popup.

    5- Altered the GopEditor GUI to "page/tab" from one mode to the next. The 2 modes are old well established cut mode, and the new mode deals with user selected chaptering. These chapters have nothing to do with cuts other than that they must be in a section that has not been cut. As a result chaptering has nothing to do with the FAE process.

    6- Made F8 the keyboard shortcut to toggle between the 2 modes (cut and chapter). Also added code for the previous menu item for Add Chapter. The remove chapter menu and code was added.

    7- The new chaptering code now sets the focus properly.

    8- Fixed the add cut code to only work in cut mode. Fixed the remove cut code to work in the same way.

    9- Fixed the Clear list to clear the proper list. It will clear the list for which ever mode you are in. So Ctrl-R will clear the cut list if in cut mode, and the chapter list when in chapter mode.

    10- Added the keyboard remove chapter option.

    11- Fixed the add chapter code to only allow for only one of each chapter.

    12- Fixed the up and down arrow code to work on both of the lists depending on mode.

    13- Added the long requested unsaved changes popup. It will now warn with the standard system requestor if you have unsaved changes. These changes can be either cuts or chapters. You are given the option to perform the standard save and exit, not save and exit, or cancel and not exit GopEditor at all.

    14- Fixed the GOP editing start & end point setting code to be only in the cut mode.

    15- Actually save the chapter points into the cut file. Got all that way only to figure out I had forgotten to actually save them to the file.

    16- Added parsing of these new chapter elements into the GopEditor .cut loader.

    18- Fixed the menu GUI so that the "default" option on the chaptering is selected not always the cut ever X minutes option... That was just oversite on my part. The code worked correctly it just did not default the radio button to the correct entry when first entering the window.

    19- Fixed the menu GUI to be fully aware of the user chaptering. There are now 3 modes available.
    i- At cut points.
    ii- At the user selected chapter points.
    iii- Every X minutes.

    21- Add the requested PicKBMP button, a little [V] button in the groupbox for the load bitmap option. This does exactly the same thing as the menu does. It was designed to just make it easier to get the bitmap selected and loaded into the system. Since I was working over that part of TyTool I thought I would add it while I was in there.


    Basic mode for using the new chaptering:

    1- Edit and add your cuts.
    2- Either as you go through cuting, or after you are done with that, hit F8 or click the "Chap List" radio button. You will see a new empty list and new set of buttons where the editing buttons were.
    3- Move through the show using the standard navigation options. When you find a Key frame for where you want to put the chapter. Either use the menu or hit the Insert key.
    4- Repeat for as many chapters as you want.

    That is it. Just save as always pick the new "Chap" option in the TyTool menu GUI and you are set.

    For those that were using DVD etc... The .chp file will now contain a chp2: entry that has the correct timestamp values, i.e. not in the skewed space of the tivo. Should make move chapters over a bit easier.

    --jdiner
    Last edited by jdiner; 03-01-2004 at 12:33 AM.

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    WooHoo!

    Just downloaded and started processing some .cut files I made with the first preview.

    So far so good....I'll keep you posted.

    (Couldn't resist first-post....maybe)

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    Quote Originally Posted by lsmod
    Just downloaded and started processing some .cut files I made with the first preview.

    So far so good....I'll keep you posted.

    (Couldn't resist first-post....maybe)
    Remember that the format changed from the first peiview to the newest code. It is to be expected that the FAE cut location is incorrect. The timestamp will be correct for the GOp itself, but the "cut here" will almost always be in the wrong location. Odds are you are going to have to redo the cut files.

    --jdiner

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    cut files from 8r7

    Quote Originally Posted by jdiner
    Remember that the format changed from the first peiview to the newest code.
    --jdiner
    Just to be clear, cut files created with 8r7 will be compatible, correct?

    Pete

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete Ruttman
    Just to be clear, cut files created with 8r7 will be compatible, correct?
    That is correct. The only ones that won't work came from preview1 and preview2. Everything from 8r7 and 8r8, and possibly 8r6 but I can't remember which one that was exactly...

    But yeah. Nothing much is changing now...

    --jdiner

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    Quote Originally Posted by jdiner
    Remember that the format changed from the first peiview to the newest code. It is to be expected that the FAE cut location is incorrect. The timestamp will be correct for the GOp itself, but the "cut here" will almost always be in the wrong location. Odds are you are going to have to redo the cut files.

    --jdiner
    Ah, thanks. I wouldn't have known that.

    So I'm finally sitting down to edit and burn Max Headroom, and as I'm editing it's pretty clear that the field dominance is backward. I'll let you know if I see this in more files, but this first one it's pretty obvious. This *shouldn't* affect setting the cut point, but I wonder if the re-encoding at the cuts will look right....will advise.

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    Nevermind--answered by JDiner.
    Last edited by Toddler; 02-08-2004 at 07:19 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lsmod
    Ah, thanks. I wouldn't have known that.

    So I'm finally sitting down to edit and burn Max Headroom, and as I'm editing it's pretty clear that the field dominance is backward. I'll let you know if I see this in more files, but this first one it's pretty obvious. This *shouldn't* affect setting the cut point, but I wonder if the re-encoding at the cuts will look right....will advise.
    It will look correctly because I have a butt-load of code in there for detecting correcting and using. Field dominance is important. What we have now would look like crap on everything without detecting and maintaining it.

    But please, if you have one you are certain is wrong then let me know what the results are after processing.

    --jdiner

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    Quote Originally Posted by jdiner
    TyTool 9r7 with DVD Support. ...

    16- Fixed the vobu corruption error found by RonnyThunder and.
    ...
    And...? Anyway, I didn't found the problem, just confirmed that happens to me in some stream.

    Thanks again.

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    Lightbulb TyTool9r7 and cygwin2-20-04.zip in same post

    jdiner, I just did a test editing a post with an image I uploaded. I was able to add to that post tytool9r7.zip and cygwin2.20.04.zip without problems. So here is my idea:

    remove the cygwin zip file from first post and add it to the second post, so people don't have to look in 2 posts for the files needed. This way you can delete one of your red warnings

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    Quote Originally Posted by bato
    jdiner, I just did a test editing a post with an image I uploaded. I was able to add to that post tytool9r7.zip and cygwin2.20.04.zip without problems. So here is my idea:

    remove the cygwin zip file from first post and add it to the second post, so people don't have to look in 2 posts for the files needed. This way you can delete one of your red warnings
    Maybe in the next thread. If people can't read at least that well they are on the their own.

    --jdiner
    Last edited by jdiner; 02-27-2004 at 01:30 AM.

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    Lightbulb

    Quote Originally Posted by jdiner
    3- The name and location of the TY file is now embedded in the key file, so that you can generate the key file to "elsewhere" and still be able to Gop Preview and FAE. As a result all new key files must be generated the old ones from <=9r4 won't load. The Cut file format remain the same these don't need to automatically change or be replaced.
    I was thinking, how hard is to put the name and location of the TY file in the CUT file and make TyTool able to select the CUT file and not only the TY file to create a mpg or vob?

    This way we can have multiple cut files pointing to the same ty and not need to rename them to make the cuts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bato
    I was thinking, how hard is to put the name and location of the TY file in the CUT file and make TyTool able to select the CUT file and not only the TY file to create a mpg or vob?

    This way we can have multiple cut files pointing to the same ty and not need to rename them to make the cuts.
    Not terribly hard code or interface wise to put into the files or pick a cut file to use. But it is a serious shift in how things are being done now and the it changes the flow pretty seriously which has impacts completely seperate from the changes to the .cut file format.

    I mentioned this awhile back as an alternative to things that I had looked into. It is not something I am going to be doing before I get some of the other changes into place that are more broadsweeping.

    The times when it is usefull are pretty few. Not saying that some poeple don't do it alot. but that the people that do are in a minority. Unless you are cutting videos from a 1-hour show on mtv/vh1 or trying to split segments out of a massive TyStream, ala the Superbowl or a nascar race, there is little call for it. I think more people would prefer more menu options and variations and better Sony support and... first.

    --jdiner

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    One other time (also cutting from a massive block) is when a network lineup changes too often so you just want to record the whole primetime block and cut out the indivual shows later.
    ew

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