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    NOT A Newbie FAQ - Newbies, DO NOT Read This FIRST!

    As a newbie to this forum, I've browsed around quite a bit and picked up on some common themes that every DDB Forum newbie should know. I dunno, maybe this should be a sticky...

    Q: This is probably a stupid question but...
    A: THEN WHY THE F**CK ARE YOU ASKING IT A**HOLE? IF YOU THINK WE HAVE TIME TO HOLD YOUR PATHETIC LITTLE HAND, THEN YOU'RE SADLY MISTAKEN.

    Q: Can someone tell me...
    A: NO! USELESS PIECE OF SHIT NEWBIES AREN'T ALLOWED TO ASK QUESTIONS! IF YOU CAME HERE TO LEARN, THEN TRY READING, SHITHEAD!

    Q: I know this has probably been asked, but I couldn't find...
    A: USE THE F**KING SEARCH BUTTON, J**KOFF! WE'VE ALREADY ANSWERED THAT QUESTION!

    Q: I tried using a search but...
    A: GREAT, ANOTHER FU*KING NEWBIE GENIUS HAS JOINED OUR FORUM! IF YOU SEARCHED THEN YOU SHOULD'VE FOUND THE ANSWER AND IF YOU'RE TOO STUPID TO FIND ANSWERS USING THE SEARCH FUNCTION, THEN YOU'LL JUST HAVE TO BROWSE THROUGH EVERY F**KING POST OVER THE LAST 4 YEARS UNTIL YOU FIND IT!

    Q: Is it possible to...
    A: USE THE F**KING SEARCH BUTTON, GENIUS! DON'T YOU THINK THAT'S ALREADY BEEN ASKED? DID IT OCCUR TO YOU THAT MAYBE WE'VE ALREADY ANSWERED THAT QUESTION A THOUSAND FREAKING TIMES?! I DON'T GIVE A RAT'S ASS THAT IT WAS A SIMPLE YES OR NO QUESTION - WE'RE ALL TOO F**KING IMPORTANT AND BUSY TO TYPE THE 2 OR 3 LETTER ANSWER, AND WE SHOULDN'T EVEN HAVE TO CONSIDERING THAT THIS QUESTION HAS ALREADY BEEN ASKED AND ANSWERED!

    Q: Is using mvchannels to get local channels considered...
    A: STOP TRYING TO STEAL SERVICE, A**HOLE!

    Q: I wasn't trying to steal serice...
    A: YES YOU WERE, AND IF YOU MENTION IT ONE MORE TIME, YOU WILL BE BANNED! YOU ARE PUTTING THIS SITE IN JEOPARDY WHEN YOU ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT STEALING SERVICE!

    Q: But I just wanted to know if...
    A: SO YOU COULD STEAL SERVICE!!! GET THIS THROUGH YOUR BRAINLESS SKULL - THAT'S NOT ALLOWED HERE, YOU DICKLESS, SPINELESS, USELESS PIECE OF WHALE DUNG!

    Q: I can't even ask if that's what...
    A: NO! DON'T EVEN SAY THE WORDS "STEALING SERVICE" - YOU DON'T HEAR US TALKING ABOUT IT, DO YOU? (UNLESS IT'S TO FLAME THE SHIT OUT OF DUMBASS NEWBIES.)

    Q: But I didn't...
    A: DO YOU THINK YOU CAN LIE TO US?!?! WE'VE BEEN AROUND TOO LONG FOR YOU TO FOOL US THE ONLY REASON PEOPLE ASK ABOUT THAT IS FOR STEALING SERVICE, SHIT FOR BRAINS! WE'VE ALL BEEN THERE - THAT'S HOW WE KNOW, SO STOP TRYING TO LIE TO US, ASSWIPE!

    Q: But I haven't even BOUGHT a DTivo yet...
    A: YOU'RE LYING! WE KNOW YOU'RE LYING! THERE'S A F**KING POLYGRAPH ATTACHED TO THE SERVER THAT MONITORS EVERY POST, SO STOP LYING TO US AND STOP TRYING TO STEAL SERVICE!!!

    Q: But why are these hacks available if...
    A: JUST BECAUSE PEOPLE USE THESE HACKS TO STEAL SERVICE DOESN'T MEAN YOU'RE ALLOWED TO ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT STEALING SERVICE! WE DON'T DISCUSS THAT SHIT HERE AND IF YOU KEEP IT UP WE'LL PERMANENTLY BAN YOUR WORTHLESS ASS!

    Q: I...
    A: SHUT THE F**K UP!

    Q: But...
    A: I SAID SHUT THE F**K UP!

    Q: But I...
    A: WHAT PART OF SHUT THE F**K UP DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND?
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    And you posted this because.....?

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    To the sewer I hope
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    Partly because of the warm welcome I've received here (and all the helpful answers I've gotten to my questions.) Also, I was inspired by many of the posts I came across while trying to find answers on my own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ElvisIncognito
    Partly because of the warm welcome I've received here (and all the helpful answers I've gotten to my questions.) Also, I was inspired by many of the posts I came across while trying to find answers on my own.
    Hmmmm! I'm finding it hard to reconcile this thread with the genuine warm and helpful replies you have received. My sarcastometer is on the fritz so I'll just sit on the side and watch others sort this out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lowcarb
    Hmmmm! I'm finding it hard to reconcile this thread with the genuine warm and helpful replies you have received. My sarcastometer is on the fritz so I'll just sit on the side and watch others sort this out.
    Please understand - I mean no disrespect to those who try to be helpful. I've read many helpful posts to many questions, but this board seems to have WAY more than its share of abrasive, flame-the-newbie types, and far more "Use the search" responses than I've seen on other boards with FAR more information that are FAR more difficult to search.

    That, combined with my inability to find answers to questions like "What are the differences between a Series 1 and a Series 2 DTivo?" and "What are the differences between the various software versions?" (these questions are terribly difficult to find the answers to via the search function - and, for my part, they remain unanswered) led me to post this.

    FWIW, if you knew me a bit better, you'd know that it was intended to be tongue-in-cheek/humorous, while at the same time a wake up call to those who are unable to be civil to newbies.

    Sincere apologies to those in the helpful majority that may have been offended by this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ElvisIncognito
    "What are the differences between a Series 1 and a Series 2 DTivo?"
    Let me try.
    Series 1. PowerPC processor (PPC). No RID chip. The prom chip could be flashed in circuit. Most units have a bracket that will accomodate 2 Hard Drives

    Series 2. MIPS processor, processor is a little faster and there is more memory but performance is barely better. Has USB ports but not enabled with current DTivo software (but you can enable them with hacks). Early units did not have a RID chip, newer ones all do. RID chip means you can not run the S2 SA 4.0 software (that has folders) Just as hackable (so long as you aren't talking about theft of service) as the S1. More cost effective for networking then an S1 plus a turbonet card. Most units have a bracket that only accomodates 1 hard drive, aftermarkert brackets are available if you need two drives.


    "What are the differences between the various software versions?" (these questions are terribly difficult to find the answers to via the search function - and, for my part, they remain unanswered) led me to post this.
    Harder to answer as there are so many and most were minor fixes/updates.
    Are you asking about the DTIVO software or about hacks?
    For S1 DTV 2.x something only had 1 tuner support then we got 2 tuners. Current version is 3.1.0b I think.

    For S2 DTV 3.1.1c is the current version which just fixes a guide data nag screen from 3.1.1b and I never used the versions prior to 3.1.1b for very long.
    Non RID S2 DTV could run 4.x from the S2 SA models which has folders (and the drivers for the USB included also).

    Does this help?

    FWIW, if you knew me a bit better, you'd know ....
    yea, but don't yet

    Sincere apologies to those in the helpful majority that may have been offended by this.
    I figured. Carry on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ElvisIncognito
    Please understand - I mean no disrespect to those who try to be helpful. I've read many helpful posts to many questions, but this board seems to have WAY more than its share of abrasive, flame-the-newbie types, and far more "Use the search" responses than I've seen on other boards with FAR more information that are FAR more difficult to search.

    That, combined with my inability to find answers to questions like "What are the differences between a Series 1 and a Series 2 DTivo?" and "What are the differences between the various software versions?" (these questions are terribly difficult to find the answers to via the search function - and, for my part, they remain unanswered) led me to post this.

    FWIW, if you knew me a bit better, you'd know that it was intended to be tongue-in-cheek/humorous, while at the same time a wake up call to those who are unable to be civil to newbies.

    Sincere apologies to those in the helpful majority that may have been offended by this.
    By now I'm sure you've noticed that, for the most part, we see two different types of new users:

    - newbies who write poor documentation
    - newbies who write no documentation

    Your "Newbie FAQ" post has placed you squarely into the first group.

    The root of the problem is that writing well-researched, complete documentation is a difficult, time-consuming, thankless task that often requires input and effort from several parties. When you're done, your PM box will quickly fill up with questions from people who didn't bother reading the whole thing or looking up unfamiliar terms.

    One thing we know for sure is that people love to complain and beg, so in most cases they'd rather spend their time ranting about how much the other users suck than documenting what they've learned after they've found an answer.

    So, are you going to break the mold?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lowcarb
    Let me try.
    THANK YOU!!!
    Quote Originally Posted by Lowcarb
    Series 1. PowerPC processor (PPC). No RID chip. The prom chip could be flashed in circuit. Most units have a bracket that will accomodate 2 Hard Drives

    Series 2. MIPS processor, processor is a little faster and there is more memory but performance is barely better. Has USB ports but not enabled with current DTivo software (but you can enable them with hacks). Early units did not have a RID chip, newer ones all do. RID chip means you can not run the S2 SA 4.0 software (that has folders) Just as hackable (so long as you aren't talking about theft of service) as the S1. More cost effective for networking then an S1 plus a turbonet card. Most units have a bracket that only accomodates 1 hard drive, aftermarkert brackets are available if you need two drives.
    OK, thanks you VERY much, but I'm asking more from the viewpoint of functionality... I have the opportunity to pay $49 (to DTV) and exchange my DSR6000 for a Series 2 DTivo (of DTV's choice/selection). I'm trying to ascertain whether that's a good move or not - I need to know what, if anything, I can do (stock AND hacks) on an S2 unit that I can't do on an S1. (And vice versa if there are things I can do on an S1 that I can't do on an S2. Someone on TCF told me that I'd lose all functionality that requires the back door to be enabled - not sure how true that is.)
    Quote Originally Posted by Lowcarb
    Harder to answer as there are so many and most were minor fixes/updates.
    I can appreciate that. I'd be happy to assemble a reference post documenting the differences for each upgrade... if I knew where to find the answers.
    Quote Originally Posted by Lowcarb
    Are you asking about the DTIVO software or about hacks?
    TiVo software - but as it relates to hacks. Essentially this is an extension of the situation I described above... Assuming that it's not really worth it to me to upgrade to an S2 unit, my next decision will be what to do with my existing S1. It won't upgrade past 2.5.2, so I could go with 2.5Xtreme, then use SuperZap's 3.1 upgrade, but maybe I'm better off with SZ's 252 upgrade... Again, what can I do with 3.1 that I can't do in 2.5.2? And vice versa?

    Your response and your help are very much appreciated?

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    Quote Originally Posted by alldeadhomiez
    Your "Newbie FAQ" post has placed you squarely into the first group.
    Cut me some slack - my Newbie FAQ was tongue-in-cheek!
    Quote Originally Posted by alldeadhomiez
    The root of the problem is that writing well-researched, complete documentation is a difficult, time-consuming, thankless task
    I agree with the first 2, but I've generally found people to be pretty appreciative.
    Quote Originally Posted by alldeadhomiez
    that often requires input and effort from several parties.
    Which seems to be like pulling teeth around here!
    Quote Originally Posted by alldeadhomiez
    When you're done, your PM box will quickly fill up with questions from people who didn't bother reading the whole thing or looking up unfamiliar terms.
    That's avoidable - it requires a glossary for defining terms and TLAs.
    Quote Originally Posted by alldeadhomiez
    One thing we know for sure is that people love to complain and beg, so in most cases they'd rather spend their time ranting about how much the other users suck than documenting what they've learned after they've found an answer.

    So, are you going to break the mold?
    Yup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ElvisIncognito
    Quote Originally Posted by alldeadhomiez
    So, are you going to break the mold?
    Yup.
    well, you already did with that first post of this thread. that post is the most disrespectful post i have seen in most of the time i have been a mod. the last time i saw stuff that despicable was from people like wolkowh and orangejaylove. stop complaining about poor responses, do some research, and then act differently then those who you feel wronged you. so long as its within the bounds of the board rules, its fair enough. as ADH has pointed out, its easy to complain about how things arent perfect, but few ever take reasonable steps to correct that.
    Step one: search button!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ElvisIncognito
    I agree with the first 2, but I've generally found people to be pretty appreciative.
    Actually, what people appreciate most are silly "guides" that don't teach them anything. There are dozens of these; please write something of substance instead.

    Which seems to be like pulling teeth around here!
    Considering how rudely you've asked and how little you've done on your own, what did you expect?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrblack51
    that post is the most disrespectful post i have seen in most of the time i have been a mod.
    You have seen (and responded) to many posts like that from "David Bought" (who was one of the principal inspirations for my post.) When searching, trying to find answers to my questions, I was, quite frankly, shocked at the number of such posts (and the amount of time that he and others like him were allowed to be so disrespectful)!
    Quote Originally Posted by mrblack51
    stop complaining about poor responses, do some research
    I've BEEN doing research! I've searched using every combination of keywords I could find, and when that failed, I've gone through - one by one - the posts of those who appear to be very knowledgeable. So far I've searched through your posts for the past several months, as well as those from Captain Video - and I've still come up empty!
    Quote Originally Posted by mrblack51
    then act differently then those who you feel wronged you.
    If it was just about "those who wronged me" it would be different - but it's about the treatment of newbies in general. I'll say it again - shocking! There are questions I THOUGHT about asking, but didn't want to deal with the flames which seemed inevitable!

    Think about what that means to the board at large - if newbies are to be flamed and discouraged from asking questions, pretty soon you'll have nothing but a small group of elitists.

    Having gone through many of your posts, I have great respect for you, so, although I have already apologized, I will do so again:

    I am sincerely sorry if I offended those of you who are helpful. I meant no disrespect to any of you. I was merely making a bit of a joke, while at the same time calling attention to something that seemed highly inappropriate for a public knowledge-sharing forum.
    Quote Originally Posted by mrblack51
    its easy to complain about how things arent perfect, but few ever take reasonable steps to correct that.
    Well, I will happily do so if I can just manage to acquire the knowledge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alldeadhomiez
    please write something of substance instead.
    Gladly. Once I have something to share, I will make it as substantial as possible.
    Quote Originally Posted by alldeadhomiez
    Considering how rudely you've asked and how little you've done on your own, what did you expect?
    You have NO IDEA how much I've done on my own... YOU try doing a search and see if YOU can come up with the answers to those particular questions!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ElvisIncognito
    Gladly. Once I have something to share, I will make it as substantial as possible.You have NO IDEA how much I've done on my own... YOU try doing a search and see if YOU can come up with the answers to those particular questions!
    i have, and, in fact, i found a great number of threads on the topic. in the other thread you posted to, there was a link provided by rpl to a thread with the answers you sought.

    did you try searching for "differences series"? that pulled up lots of threads.
    Step one: search button!
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