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    TyTool10r4 Crashing During Vob-Mux Files Operation

    Hello. I've been having a problem with TyTool crashing. I get the familiar

    Code:
    TyTool10r4.exe has generated errors and will be closed by
    Windows.  You will need to restart the program.
    An error log is being created.
    I attached the txt files TyTool is making, though they didn't really tell me anything. The ty files were copied off the TiVo drive using mfs_uberexport -v -R FSID -o NAME.ty. I don't know if that has anything to do with it. The movies were made from VHS tapes on my S1 SA and are 4-5 hours long/3.XGiB apiece. Here's the txt files:

    Detected Tivo Type: Standalone -> US
    Detected Audio Stream Type: MPEG Layer II
    Final standardAudioSize = 880
    Final standardFrameLength = 864
    Final standardAudioDiff = 3240 or 00:00:00.036
    First Video PTS: 00:00:01.180
    ......... 100......... 200......... 300......... 400......... 500
    ......... 600......... 700......... 800......... 900......... 1000
    ......... 1100......... 1200......... 1300......... 1400......... 1500
    ......... 1600......... 1700......... 1800......... 1900......... 2000
    ......... 2100......... 2200......... 2300......... 2400......... 2500
    ......... 2600......... 2700......... 2800......... 2900......... 3000
    ......... 3100......... 3200......... 3300......... 3400......... 3500
    ......... 3600......... 3700......... 3800......... 3900......... 4000
    ......... 4100......... 4200......... 4300......... 4400......... 4500
    ......... 4600......... 4700......... 4800......... 4900......... 5000
    ......... 5100......... 5200......... 5300......... 5400......... 5500
    ......... 5600......... 5700......... 5800......... 5900......... 6000
    ......... 6100......... 6200......... 6300......... 6400......... 6500
    ......... 6600......... 6700......... 6800....
    Found an OOB packet... The Video Diff is: 01:10:26.091
    sVid is: 00:00:01.223
    largestVideoPTS is: 01:10:27.315
    BBB the PTS was bad, but the new SEQ check lines up|!?
    Found an OOB packet... The Audio Diff is: 01:10:25.500
    sAud is: 00:00:01.479
    largestAudioPTS is: 01:10:26.979
    Is it in sequence??? It is OFF by exactly 117375.000000 frames.
    Nope... Not in sequence... Skipping it...


    PTS Reset Detected... Correction in progress...

    Found an OOB packet... The Video Diff is: 01:10:25.758
    sVid is: 00:00:01.624
    largestVideoPTS is: 01:10:27.382
    BBB the PTS was bad, but the new SEQ check lines up|!?
    Found an OOB packet... The Audio Diff is: 01:10:26.148
    sAud is: 00:00:01.335
    largestAudioPTS is: 01:10:27.483
    Is it in sequence??? It is OFF by exactly 117393.000000 frames.
    Nope... Not in sequence... Skipping it...

    ..
    Detected Tivo Type: Standalone -> US
    Detected Audio Stream Type: MPEG Layer II
    Final standardAudioSize = 880
    Final standardFrameLength = 864
    Final standardAudioDiff = 3240 or 00:00:00.036
    First Video PTS: 00:00:01.190
    Found an OOB packet... The Audio Diff is: 00:00:02.879
    sAud is: 00:00:01.120
    largestAudioPTS is: 00:00:03.999
    Is it in sequence??? It is OFF by exactly 79.972222 frames.
    It is in the right range. Let's see if it lines up.
    Nope... Not in sequence... Skipping it...

    .
    Found an OOB packet... The Video Diff is: 00:00:00.517
    sVid is: 00:00:13.402
    largestVideoPTS is: 00:00:12.885
    BBB the PTS was bad, but the new SEQ check lines up|!?
    Found an OOB packet... The Audio Diff is: 00:00:00.036
    sAud is: 00:00:12.604
    largestAudioPTS is: 00:00:14.080
    It is in sequence... Everything is fine...

    Found an OOB packet... The Video Diff is: 00:00:00.700
    sVid is: 00:00:14.536
    largestVideoPTS is: 00:00:13.836
    BBB the PTS was bad, but the new SEQ check lines up|!?
    Found an OOB packet... The Audio Diff is: 00:00:00.036
    sAud is: 00:00:14.116
    largestAudioPTS is: 00:00:15.448
    It is in sequence... Everything is fine...
    .
    Found an OOB packet... The Video Diff is: 00:00:00.300
    sVid is: 00:00:20.542
    largestVideoPTS is: 00:00:20.242
    BBB the PTS was bad, but the new SEQ check lines up|!?
    Found an OOB packet... The Audio Diff is: 00:00:00.036
    sAud is: 00:00:19.984
    largestAudioPTS is: 00:00:21.748
    It is in sequence... Everything is fine...

    Found an OOB packet... The Video Diff is: 00:00:00.367
    sVid is: 00:00:27.082
    largestVideoPTS is: 00:00:26.715
    BBB the PTS was bad, but the new SEQ check lines up|!?
    Found an OOB packet... The Audio Diff is: 00:00:00.036
    sAud is: 00:00:27.076
    largestAudioPTS is: 00:00:27.544
    It is in sequence... Everything is fine...
    .
    Found an OOB packet... The Video Diff is: 00:00:00.333
    sVid is: 00:00:29.985
    largestVideoPTS is: 00:00:29.651
    BBB the PTS was bad, but the new SEQ check lines up|!?
    Found an OOB packet... The Audio Diff is: 00:00:00.036
    sAud is: 00:00:29.488
    largestAudioPTS is: 00:00:31.036
    It is in sequence... Everything is fine...

    Found an OOB packet... The Video Diff is: 00:00:00.767
    sVid is: 00:00:33.154
    largestVideoPTS is: 00:00:32.387
    BBB the PTS was bad, but the new SEQ check lines up|!?
    Found an OOB packet... The Audio Diff is: 00:00:00.036
    sAud is: 00:00:32.260
    largestAudioPTS is: 00:00:33.448
    It is in sequence... Everything is fine...

    Found an OOB packet... The Video Diff is: 00:00:00.533
    sVid is: 00:00:35.457
    largestVideoPTS is: 00:00:34.923
    BBB the PTS was bad, but the new SEQ check lines up|!?
    Found an OOB packet... The Audio Diff is: 00:00:00.036
    sAud is: 00:00:34.744
    largestAudioPTS is: 00:00:35.824
    It is in sequence... Everything is fine...
    .
    Found an OOB packet... The Video Diff is: 00:00:00.533
    sVid is: 00:00:47.201
    largestVideoPTS is: 00:00:46.667
    BBB the PTS was bad, but the new SEQ check lines up|!?
    Found an OOB packet... The Audio Diff is: 00:00:00.036
    sAud is: 00:00:46.552
    largestAudioPTS is: 00:00:48.136
    It is in sequence... Everything is fine...
    .
    Found an OOB packet... The Video Diff is: 00:00:00.333
    sVid is: 00:00:48.169
    largestVideoPTS is: 00:00:47.835
    BBB the PTS was bad, but the new SEQ check lines up|!?
    Found an OOB packet... The Audio Diff is: 00:00:00.036
    sAud is: 00:00:48.172
    largestAudioPTS is: 00:00:49.144
    It is in sequence... Everything is fine...
    ...
    Thanks,
    The Lightning Stalker
    Last edited by LtngStalker; 09-30-2006 at 05:38 PM.

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    HR10-250 v6.3 - Problems with Newly Recorded HD

    I have an HR10-250 recently upgraded to 6.3 and I have problems with all newly recorded HD files. Standard recordings are fine as is previously recorded HD. The problem is while TyTools retrieves the newly recorded HD recordings I am getting numerous "Bad Dumps" that look like this in the log files:

    BAD DUMP!

    BAD DUMP 2 @@ 2710!

    @@@ off by 8640
    @@@ predicted bPTS = 00:26:34.290
    @@@ next real PTS = 00:26:34.386
    .
    @@@ off by 8640
    @@@ predicted bPTS = 00:26:34.514
    @@@ next real PTS = 00:26:34.610

    @@@ off by 11520
    @@@ predicted bPTS = 00:26:34.930
    @@@ next real PTS = 00:26:35.058
    .
    @@@ off by 8640
    @@@ predicted bPTS = 00:26:35.282
    @@@ next real PTS = 00:26:35.378
    b 77 2d 65 1c 30 e1 ef f8 ec 92 40 0 3 ff cf 1
    ed 4b 50 60 60 61 2f e1 e1 e1 e1 40 c0 c1 b e8 2
    80 80 80 25 11 2d 28 5 55 9c 7 a6 a5 fa 5a d5 3
    f3 3b 7b 4a 13 e8 50 95 56 ae a5 fb fb af d4 e6 4
    81 d5 f3 2a 7d 0 8d 87 c9 a9 b9 56 f6 9a a8 49 5
    a1 b9 ae fd d3 f4 8b df d0 ae fd f3 e5 6a 5f a5 6
    86 99 f5 ff 3a be 7c f9 f3 ce f 9f 3e 7c f9 f3 7
    e7 cf 9f 3e 7c f9 b3 e7 cf 9f 3e 7c 49 f3 e7 cf 8
    9f 3e 7d ad 77 50 d3 58 74 fd cc 1a f5 df 41 ae 9

    When downloading previously recorded HD video there may be one of these at the beginning and then they stop.

    I downloaded four HD clips, two from DirecTV, one from OTA and one previously recorded. All new HD files were choppy and pixilated. The previously recorded HD clips I downloaded after the upgrade t0 6.3 played perfectly.

    In this thread I am seeing indications that others have the same issues I have but no mention of a solution. Does anyone know of a solution or workaround? If not I am sure it is only a matter of time before the problem is identified and resolved. I am willing to help in the effort if I can.

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    Extraction and making DVD- Can someone help?

    I am practicing making DVDs via TyTool. I am following Weetheet intructions.

    Extract> Make Keyfiles> Edit Keyfiles> VOB-Mux> Create IFO> Create DVD via Nero

    Everything looks and works great, but I have 2 questions-

    1- I would like to use another authoring program.
    What would be the method of doing this after extraction?
    I have Sony DVD Architect. Can I use this and how?

    2- I watched the DVD and the only issue whatsoever is a few momentary pauses. The picture and sound freeze for a few seconds, then picks right backup where it left off.
    Is this a function of something I did in TyTool or Nero?

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    Concerning the bad dumps in 6.3 and 6.3a .I don't think there is a solution available yet. There is clearly something in the last update that has monkeyed tytoool. I suspect this will need Josh to correct and he has not been around for quite a while. There is some discussion in the hdemux: New tystream demuxer thread about problems and solultions using that tool.
    Last edited by snoots; 10-01-2006 at 07:55 PM. Reason: clarification

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    Quote Originally Posted by Growler View Post
    I am practicing making DVDs via TyTool. I am following Weetheet intructions.

    Extract> Make Keyfiles> Edit Keyfiles> VOB-Mux> Create IFO> Create DVD via Nero

    Everything looks and works great, but I have 2 questions-

    1- I would like to use another authoring program.
    What would be the method of doing this after extraction?
    I have Sony DVD Architect. Can I use this and how?

    2- I watched the DVD and the only issue whatsoever is a few momentary pauses. The picture and sound freeze for a few seconds, then picks right backup where it left off.
    Is this a function of something I did in TyTool or Nero?

    I know this stuff may be "old hat" to many of you, but I could really use some help with these two points.

    Has anyone some info to help?

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    I use DVD-Lab to author everything. From TyTool I mux to either MPG or VOB, but I don't bother with the IFO portion. I bring the VOB or MPG into DVD-Lab and use DVD-Lab's alternate muxing engine to author, then I burn with Nero.

    Can't help you with Sony DVD Architect.

    As to pauses...could be a number of things; it's really hard to say. Keep in mind that if you are pulling files from a DirecTivo (or from a SA Tivo in less than Best quality) then you've got files that are not DVD compliant. Many DVD players play them just fine anyway. Some will not. My older (several years old) Pioneer DVD player won't play them right, but my new Pio will, as will my assorted Apex/Cyberhome/whatever players. YM, as always, MV.
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    Perhaps, after all, America never has been discovered. I myself would say that it had merely been detected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cheer View Post
    I use DVD-Lab to author everything. From TyTool I mux to either MPG or VOB, but I don't bother with the IFO portion. I bring the VOB or MPG into DVD-Lab and use DVD-Lab's alternate muxing engine to author, then I burn with Nero.

    Can't help you with Sony DVD Architect.

    As to pauses...could be a number of things; it's really hard to say. Keep in mind that if you are pulling files from a DirecTivo (or from a SA Tivo in less than Best quality) then you've got files that are not DVD compliant. Many DVD players play them just fine anyway. Some will not. My older (several years old) Pioneer DVD player won't play them right, but my new Pio will, as will my assorted Apex/Cyberhome/whatever players. YM, as always, MV.

    Hi Cheer,

    Thanks for the reply. I did not no where to look. I played with DVD lab sometime ago, but never got good at it. I will see if I can work with VOBs in Architect. If not I will try DVD Lab again.

    A question- Whenever I mux to mpg the resultant file plays back really jerky with the picture and sound freezing here and there (virtually avery few seconds). If I put it in my video editing program and click "make movie" I assume it is re-rendering it to mpg again, but it plays fine afterward. The only problem is I lose some picture clarity. Do you get the same if you are working with VOB's?

    As far as the playback on my DVD player maybe I will try working with booktype settings to see if my DVD player responds favorably.

    Thanks for the help!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Growler View Post
    A question- Whenever I mux to mpg the resultant file plays back really jerky with the picture and sound freezing here and there (virtually avery few seconds). If I put it in my video editing program and click "make movie" I assume it is re-rendering it to mpg again, but it plays fine afterward. The only problem is I lose some picture clarity. Do you get the same if you are working with VOB's?
    The jerking/freezing can be a number of things. Your MPEG codecs make be broken or poor. You may just be having trouble with interlaced video. Etc.

    What type of computer, and what player are you using? If you're using a Windows PC, try using something like PowerDVD to play the MPG files.

    I would not assume VOBs to be any different -- it's really just a slightly different container from MPG.
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    Perhaps, after all, America never has been discovered. I myself would say that it had merely been detected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cheer View Post
    The jerking/freezing can be a number of things. Your MPEG codecs make be broken or poor. You may just be having trouble with interlaced video. Etc.

    What type of computer, and what player are you using? If you're using a Windows PC, try using something like PowerDVD to play the MPG files.

    I would not assume VOBs to be any different -- it's really just a slightly different container from MPG.
    Hi Cheer,

    Again, I am very new to DVD creation from TyTool. I started extraction a month or so ago. The very first extraction that I muxed (exactly what does multiplexing mean?) in to an mpg played like it was having spasms or hiccups.

    I think then you or someone else said this was normal and may be part of interlacing or something. They recommended decombing, but I just tried putting it in to my video editing software and clicked "make a movie" and it worked. I am guessing it re-rendered the mpg and corrected the problem. The re-rendering took its toll on quality. It was subtle, but I noticed.

    Due to the quality loss I thought I would try the GOP editor like everyone was talking about here. Not a sophisticated as a regular video editor, but it worked and with little or no picture quality loss.

    The only issue was about 3 times in a 2 hour movie where the picture froze for maybe 3 or 4 seconds then took off again. I noticed it did NOT take place at an edit point where I removed commercials.

    What I really would like to do is make a really good quality DVD from these shows. It would be nice if I could use regular video editing and authoring software to do it. Except without the PQ loss.

    What makes DVD-Lab special over and above other authoring programs? Can it work directly with VOB's whereas other can not?
    Last edited by Growler; 10-04-2006 at 04:20 AM.

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    DVD-Lab is the only product available AFAIK that will work with DTivo ty files directly without requiring the headers be patched to a DVD-compliant resolution. Most authoring tools don't like the 480x480 ty files extracted from DTivos. DVD-Lab gives you a warning message but will allow you to use the files directly. Other programs won't let you import any mpegs or elemental streams until you've worked some voodoo on them using DVDPatcher to make the program think you're importing mpegs at 720x480 resolution. Ty files also have non-standard spacing between GOP headers that will cause a lot of authoring programs to choke. DVD-Lab has no problem using non-standard mpegs. In other words, DVD-Lab is geared to work with ty files with minimal fuss when others won't.
    Please don't PM me or any other members looking for personal assistance. You'll do better by posting (after you've exhausted the search feature, of course) and taking advantage of the collective expertise of the membership instead of a single individual that may or may not be able to help you. Thank you and enjoy your stay at DDB!

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    Just to clarify (to avoid noob confusion)...DVD-Lab doesn't work with .ty files. What it does do, as Captain Video indicates, is work with non-DVD-resolution files. It also has an alternate muxing engine that makes the DVDs created from non-DVD-spec files more rock solid.
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    Good point. I should have referred to them as tympegs rather than ty files. You should either mux them first or convert them to VOBs using TyTools or other compatible program of choice.
    Please don't PM me or any other members looking for personal assistance. You'll do better by posting (after you've exhausted the search feature, of course) and taking advantage of the collective expertise of the membership instead of a single individual that may or may not be able to help you. Thank you and enjoy your stay at DDB!

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    Quote Originally Posted by captain_video View Post
    Good point. I should have referred to them as tympegs rather than ty files. You should either mux them first or convert them to VOBs using TyTools or other compatible program of choice.
    So what DVD-Lab will work with are ty files that were muxed with Tytool to mpg? Then I can use in DVD-Lab?

    As I mentioned in an earlier post the ty files I muxed to mpg in TyTool had the jerky playback. How does DVD-Lab fix this?


    Thanks for the noob clarification. No kidding. Take help anywhere I can get it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Growler View Post
    As I mentioned in an earlier post the ty files I muxed to mpg in TyTool had the jerky playback. How does DVD-Lab fix this?
    Just a quick question ... do the muxed files play jerky on the pc through WinDVD of their like program, or you are refering after going through the whole process and burning to DVD.

    If the files do this after burning I'd found out that if you burn at a lower speed helps.

    DSR6k dual 40G drives + turbonet
    Sat T60 dual 40G drives + turbonet
    GXCEBOT single 80G drive + turbonet + wirelessbridge
    Phillips SA 20G + 120G + turbonet + wirelessbridge
    Hughes HDVR2 200G + USB2 + superpatch67 + linksys dd-wrt bridged + MRV
    RCA DVR39 500G + USB2 + superpatch67 + linksys dd-wrt bridged + MRV

    THE TiVo is the NETWORK!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Growler View Post
    So what DVD-Lab will work with are ty files that were muxed with Tytool to mpg? Then I can use in DVD-Lab?
    Here is a very good process... hope this help

    http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/sh...hlight=dvd+lab

    DSR6k dual 40G drives + turbonet
    Sat T60 dual 40G drives + turbonet
    GXCEBOT single 80G drive + turbonet + wirelessbridge
    Phillips SA 20G + 120G + turbonet + wirelessbridge
    Hughes HDVR2 200G + USB2 + superpatch67 + linksys dd-wrt bridged + MRV
    RCA DVR39 500G + USB2 + superpatch67 + linksys dd-wrt bridged + MRV

    THE TiVo is the NETWORK!

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