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    Decisions, decisions.

    Santa's helper was good to me this year. She brought me a HDTV. Now I need a HD-DVR to go with it. And there's the problem.

    According to DirecTV's web site, a HR20-700 will cost $199 (including dish and installation). According to a csr, I will get the HDTV package free for 4 months. On the downside it is unhackable, does not run TiVo software, and doesn't record OTA HD YET (they promise it by the end of the year - but didn't specify which year). The csr 'thinks' they are in stock.

    The other choice is the HR10-250. They're running $300 or so on eBay. Someone local is selling his for $400; I'm assuming I can beat the price down. I'll also need a new dish, or the 'C' lnb kit, about $15. It records OTA (important), is hackable (nice), and has TiVo software (very nice), but I'm wondering how long it's going to take to get stable software.

    Any thoughts on the choices?

    PlainBill
    There's a difference between needing help, and just being plain ole' lazy.

    "You cannot teach a man anything. You can only help him find it for himself." Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)

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    Quote Originally Posted by PlainBill View Post
    It [the HR10-250] records OTA (important), is hackable (nice), and has TiVo software (very nice), but I'm wondering how long it's going to take to get stable software.
    The HR10-250 is very stable with OS 3.1.5f. Overwhelming evidence for that. It is _extremely_ unlikely that any stability troubles an individual may be having with the receiver could be accounted for by that OS.

    As with all shorter term and scattered anecdotal evidence, there is a range of reported experiences with 6.x, including those who say it runs fine. I do not believe that is possible.

    In any case, under 3.1.5f, it's a pretty good experience. A bit slow (a lot slow, some would say), and you don't get folders or tivoserver, but I was very happy with mine until I decided to drop DirecTV and go with the Tivo s3.

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    I'm in the exact same predicament, as I picked up a HDTV yesterday.

    If for no other reason than this community, I would prefer to stay with TiVo and DTV, which means the HR10-250, but I am trying to have an open mind, while I get a grasp on my options.

    I've been happily run SAT-T60s since before the dual tuner rollout, and have sworn I would never live without dual tuners. Unfortunately the HR20-700 doesn't support live buffers for both tuners. (yes I know the current work around is to record both streams)

    What are your thoughts about the Series3 with cable?
    Scott

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    The OTA tuners have been activated on the HR-20. So has networking capability analogous to HMO. The software has been updated at least a dozen times since the initial release. People have had wildly disparate experiences with stability. It has gotten much better of late.

    Of course, I miss the hacks, although I understand that HD extraction is problematic even with the HR-10. What pisses me off most is the execrable search capability, the lack of a wishlist feature, and the inability to limit "Channels I receive" to channels I actually receive. Overall, I don't really think the HR-10 is a good option at this point, since the new national HD channels are almost certain to be MPEG-4. If you have HD local channels, the video quality is very good in the Bay Area, but not as good in some areas. I also get the local RSN in MPEG-4, which is another plus.

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    Scott, one detail I omitted; the NFL Sunday Ticket is a 'must have'. That eliminates Dish Network and the local pathetic excuse for a cable system.

    oakwcj, thanks for the perspective. When you say the tuners have been activated, I hope you mean I can record from them.

    MRV would be nice, but it isn't really available on either. HMO would be nice, folders are very important. I'm not to sure how the poor search capability would be received.

    One important consideration: UI speed. The improvement from 3.1.1e to 6.2 was very welcome on my SD receivers. How does the speed of the UI on the HR20 compare?

    I hear what you're saying about mpeg4. If I could get an HR10 for less that the HR20 I'd jump on it in a minute. At more than double the cost, I'm not so sure.

    Thanks,

    PlainBill
    There's a difference between needing help, and just being plain ole' lazy.

    "You cannot teach a man anything. You can only help him find it for himself." Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)

    HR20-700 with 2 TB, HR22-100, HR22-100, HR22-100, HR23-100 all running 0x5cd and networked.

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    Yes, you can record from the OTA tuners.

    The GUI on the HR20 is much faster than any DirecTiVo.

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    I too am in same boat (just purchased HDTV) and suffer the same delimna. Looking at the HR10-250 but concerned about it not being able to support the new MPEG4 format that I understand will become the standard.

    Reading up on the HR20-700, I understand it is still in the infant stage with its software as it appears to be getting software updates pretty frequently. I will also miss the MRV feature of my present SD units.

    With that said, I don't have a land line anymore so I won't be able to get updates via the phone line. If I temporarily take the unit to another location with a land line, is it possible to dial in and download the updates without having the unit hooked up to a satellite feed?

    Great post! I am going to monitor this thread.

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    FWIW: I decided to purchase a HR10-250 off of Ebay.


    <Sigh> Guess I should head off the the noob section and start reading.
    Scott

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    Quote Originally Posted by sonyuser View Post
    I too am in same boat (just purchased HDTV) and suffer the same delimna. Looking at the HR10-250 but concerned about it not being able to support the new MPEG4 format that I understand will become the standard.

    With that said, I don't have a land line anymore so I won't be able to get updates via the phone line. If I temporarily take the unit to another location with a land line, is it possible to dial in and download the updates without having the unit hooked up to a satellite feed?
    The HR20 doesn't use the phone line for software updates. It's all done by satellite. A phone line would be useful only for caller ID and PPV orders.

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    Funny how the holidays bring about the same thoughts from many folks.

    I too am in the same dilemma. Can barely tolerate the SD picture on my 32" Niko LCD although wife and kids don't seem to care and we've "made do" for 6 months now. Never realized how badly compressed the signal is on Directv SD.

    Have been watching some auctions on Ebay but just can't bring myself to spend ~$300.

    As I didn't read the specs too closely when I bought this TV, I don't even have the option to tune OTA HDTV without getting an external tuner, which really seems like waste of money.

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    HR20 vs HR10-250

    The worst problem for me was the installation of the HR20 messed up my existing HR10-250 in another room and I had to run a 3rd coax to fix it. The new multiswitch sends signals which interfere with UHF/HD channels, making the use of a diplexer problematic. And this problem is not readily apparent; before the installers left I checked the HD OTA signal on the Tivo and it looked fine. But only some of the stations were affected. Running a 3rd wire to the Tivo for OTA fixed it completely.

    IMHO, they should have included a multi-switch or filters that allow you to send the "old" style signals to your pre-existing receivers - running that extra wire was a pain and I'm sure the installers would have charged extra to do it.

    That having been said, there is some good stuff about the HR-20:
    • Menus and UI are faster (if not as intuitive)
    • HDMI and composite out at the same time for sending to other TV
    • UHF remote included for control from other room
    • It plays music and displays photos from your PC

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    Quote Originally Posted by PlainBill View Post
    Santa's helper was good to me this year. She brought me a HDTV. Now I need a HD-DVR to go with it. And there's the problem.

    According to DirecTV's web site, a HR20-700 will cost $199 (including dish and installation). According to a csr, I will get the HDTV package free for 4 months. On the downside it is unhackable, does not run TiVo software, and doesn't record OTA HD YET (they promise it by the end of the year - but didn't specify which year). The csr 'thinks' they are in stock.

    The other choice is the HR10-250. They're running $300 or so on eBay. Someone local is selling his for $400; I'm assuming I can beat the price down. I'll also need a new dish, or the 'C' lnb kit, about $15. It records OTA (important), is hackable (nice), and has TiVo software (very nice), but I'm wondering how long it's going to take to get stable software.

    Any thoughts on the choices?

    PlainBill
    Here's my suggestion:
    Go here and you will see so many deals peeps have and are still getting.

    The trick is to get a hold of the retention dept. And after several phone calls and some social engineering/rhetoric, (at 1st they tend to put up a fight, so u can use the old car salesperson team strategy, don't give in! Wear em down and the more "no's" you hear the closer you are to that "yes" or offer that will put a smile for your time and effort) you may also be a happy camper, with a very low priced HR-20.

    I got mine for just S&H $19.95. When I got this deal I had never owned a HR-10 or any HD receiver.

    They even sent me a letter after stating:

    D* Account Number xxxxxxxx

    Dear (Mr/Mrs so and so)

    Thank you for participating in our offer to receive a specially priced D*HDDVR. Below is a summary of your order as well as the terms of the offer. In return, we agree to provide you a D*HDDVR with installation to your existing D* satellite dish at the above address. D* agrees to provide you a standard professional installation that includes:

    -Routing of cable to your TV and receiver through an exterior wall or from your basement and connection to an existing phone jack within 25 feet to allow D*HDDVR dual tuner functionality.

    -Connecting one TV and VCR to each D*HDDVR.

    -Installing a triple LNB, mutli-switch or both if necessary to operate the additional receiver. (That however u must specify to be on work order)

    -As a courtesy, the installer will relocate your old primary receiver to a new
    location in the house if requested at the time of the order.

    yada, yada, yada
    You're all set! Thanks again for participating in our offer.

    Sincerely,
    D*,Inc.

    This is not a bill. This letter serves as your receipt. Please retain for your records.
    ORDER CONFIRMATION
    QTY Description Each
    1 D*HDDVR System $0.00
    Professional Installation $0.00
    Handling and Delivery $19.95
    Tax $1.40
    Total $21.35


    Now, yes I've read where actual csr retention specialist claim that that "button" for that special have been taken from them. However, they still can give out "retention credit" which essentially is the same thing.
    Even today,it should not be that difficult to get it for $99. There are many combinations that include programing credits, including being able to get for just S&H.

    Also, it's true that the HR20, is still in it's early days to say the least. However, u can use this to your advantage. As soon as you experience (after unit is installed at home) buggy situations, like missed recording or the like. Then bring out your social engineering/rhetorical toolbox and get to work. Not only will you end with a free unit after all the programming credits they will offer you, you may even have some credit left over.

    Personally, I am still enjoying credit left over. So I can say D* has paid for me to be an early HR20 owner.

    BTW, I still have an HR-10 (I got this after I received HR20)which I will be ebaying soon. Buying an HR-10 is like buying a UTV when M$ announced they where getting out of the DVR arena.

    Why would you shell out $300 on a dying non-d* dvr? When you could effectively receive one for practically free.

    FYI, some may wonder or ask, why bother posting letter in mail? Well, when you 1st contact csr at retention they like to deny that this offer ever existed. This way you could just read it to them word for word and let them know your neighbor/friend got deal/letter. And you don't think it's fair being left out. Mind you, be polite and don't go at them with the same arrogant tone that one may encounter in this very forum.

    Just my $.02
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    So for a HD unit that is going to replace an existing installed unit at your house, does D* have to come out and physically install it in order to receive one of these new units? I am not sure I want D* in my house inspecting my setup. I would just as soon they ship me one and I can do install.

    Aside from that, it looks as if D* has included the equivalent of HMO with the HR20, so I am leaning for the newer technology unit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sonyuser View Post
    So for a HD unit that is going to replace an existing installed unit at your house, does D* have to come out and physically install it in order to receive one of these new units? I am not sure I want D* in my house inspecting my setup. I would just as soon they ship me one and I can do install.

    Aside from that, it looks as if D* has included the equivalent of HMO with the HR20, so I am leaning for the newer technology unit.
    Technically, a DirecTV employee does not come to your home. Odds are they will send a contractor. The expertise of these 'installers' range from adequate to horrible.

    I've had it go both ways. In one case, DirecTV shipped the system directly to my house, in the other case, the installer brought it.

    PlainBill
    There's a difference between needing help, and just being plain ole' lazy.

    "You cannot teach a man anything. You can only help him find it for himself." Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)

    HR20-700 with 2 TB, HR22-100, HR22-100, HR22-100, HR23-100 all running 0x5cd and networked.

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    Go w/HR20...

    The Hr20 has a better picture then the D-Tivo.

    Hmo is enable now and mrv is next.(ViiV)

    There will be a package call DirectvToGo this spring.

    Ota is alot sharper then D-Tivo and you can record it.

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