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    merged again - please try to keep the discussion in this topic.

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    I'm assuming, since the Tivo S/W will be designed to run on DirecTV's HD DVR, that any prospect of hacking is out - unless the DVR design reverts back to the Linux kernel OS on a hard drive...
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    we'll have to wait for the official Tivo press releases to be sure, but this article indicates Tivo will build the box

    http://www.tvweek.com/news/2008/09/t..._for_direc.php

    TiVo plans to build the set-top box, which would be used by DirecTV’s broadband-enabled customers, as early as next July
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    IMHO, it remains to be seen. Traditionally, despite being de-facto TiVo hardware, DirecTV TiVos were considered DirecTV receivers first.
    I am leaning in the direction of TiVo building a new hardware for this venture.

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    Here's an official sounding announcement. [Edit]Just noticed this is a duplicate of post 5

    http://www.cepro.com/article/tivo_la..._with_directv/

    This implies that they'll be supporting AVC. I wonder if lack of AVC support was part of why DirecTV built their own.

    It's too little, too late for me. I'm Dish come October (The DVR that's better than Tivo) Just kidding, I'm going to sorely miss my Tivo.
    Last edited by dburckh; 09-05-2008 at 02:39 PM. Reason: Nothing new here

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    It really must be true - this morning I received the following message on my tivo:
    Great news. DIRECTV and TiVo have extended their current agreement which will ensure your continued enjoyment of your TiVo enabled DVR receiver. DIRECTV and TiVo are also working together to develop a new DIRECTV HD DVR featuring the TiVo® service.

    This new receiver will allow access to more than 130 channels in HD now available on DIRECTV as well as take advantage of DIRECTV's broadband-enabled DIRECTV on DEMAND and TiVo's Universal Swivel Search and TiVo KidZone. It's expected to launch in the second half of 2009 and we will provide specific pricing and packaging as soon as launch dates are confirmed.

    For those customers who would like to learn more about DIRECTV's full HD services immediately, visit us online. For additional information please go to www.DIRECTV.com or www.TiVo.com/DIRECTV.

    Our promise is to provide you with the best television experience, and we are excited about this continued relationship with TiVo.
    I hope this means they're not going to turn off the 72.5 sat and eliminate the Dtivos ability to pick up local channels. Some chatter on DBSTalk to the contrary.

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    Zatz and others have spoken to TiVo and DirecTV, and from the sound of it most of the technical details haven't been worked out yet. As we can all see, the press release(s) are ambiguous.

    If TiVo builds the box, then it'll likely leverage the TiVo HD platform. If they do plan to deploy TiVo code on the HR2x DVRs, then it should be noted that the HR2x hardware is a lot closer to a TiVo HD than the Comcast Moto boxes were, and there's none of the OCAP nonsense do deal with.

    Either way it sounds promising.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PlainBill View Post
    Don't be such a pessimist. My HR20 has very good performance; almost as fast as my SD DirecTiVos. The main thing I miss is the absence of dual live buffers.

    PlainBill
    I was not very clear in my comments. While the native Comcast box is not too bad, when they put Tivo software on it, it was a complete pig. 2-5 second wait time between button presses.

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    "Additionally, we continue to work on our new DIRECTV HD DVR. The new HD DVR will include popular TiVo broadband features, and will be immediately accessible to DIRECTV's entire national customer base on day-one of the launch. We have had a very successful history with DIRECTV and those subscribers are some of our most loyal customers. Now, as these customers look to upgrade from standard definition programming, they will have the option to choose the TiVo experience to help them truly get the most out of their high definition viewing experience.

    http://investor.tivo.com/releasedeta...leaseID=368436

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    Let's hope that if they do decide to use DirecTV HD HW like the HR2X's that they don't integrate the OS directly onto the HW. Otherwise, any possibility of hacks are probably out.
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    While we're all waiting for the new HD DirecTivo box, any idea how we'd extract the Mpeg4 HD content and burn it to DVD in HD? Since I have an HR10-250 I currently extract/burn Mpeg2 HD content to HD-DVD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tvtyme View Post
    While we're all waiting for the new HD DirecTivo box, any idea how we'd extract the Mpeg4 HD content and burn it to DVD in HD? Since I have an HR10-250 I currently extract/burn Mpeg2 HD content to HD-DVD.
    It's been discussed in another thread found here. The capability is implicit in the DirecTV2PC software. Two possible approaches would be to 1. Emulate the DirecTV2PC software's approach of decrypting the stream from the DVR or 2. intercept the data stream AFTER it's been decrypted and store it on the hard drive.

    (This is WAY beyond my capabilities).

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    Heh, guess I should have clarified my question which was, assuming the new HD DirecTivo box will be hackable (I know...big IF), and scrambling can be disabled via an S2/S3/THD-equivalent NoCSO patch, how to extract?

    PlainBill, thanks for the reminder about the HR20 thread. I completely forgot about it and was searching for "extract + mpeg4".

    Seems like your Approach #1 might be easier, with the caveat of my assumptions above. I'd imagine unscrambling the shows while on the DTivoHD might break DirecTV2PC for the same reason NoCSO broke TTG/MRV on the S3/THD as described here.

    We'll see....
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    lastest update from yesterday's conference call, which can be replayed here: 888-203-1112 in the U.S. and 719-457-0820 internationally. The Replay pass code is 4566217.
    Financial details are here: http://investor.directv.com/released...leaseID=467215

    The Tivo news:
    Question:
    Could talk about where you are in your discussions with TiVo, about rolling out any new service?

    Answer from DirecTV CEO:
    Sure, we've had an ongoing series of meetings with Tom Rogers and the TiVo team earlier this year. We're in the process of working with them. We've provided them specs for our box, and I think we expect them to have a box for us, an updated box, maybe the end of this year, or maybe early next year. I probably don't know the specific date that Tom's got targeted, but we're working closely with them, and certainly expecting to see a new box out of them that would work on DirecTV some time in the not too distant future.
    Follow-up question:
    Any thoughts on how the service or the features would differ from what the TiVo is rolling out now with RCN?
    Answer:
    You know, to be honest with you, we're all working on a lot of the same things. I mean, we've got demos that we've looked at internally that include television apps, that would enable you to look at YouTube on the television, that would enable you to do things with movies and photos, that do video on demand, so a lot of the same, what I'll call the connected experience across your screens. We believe is quite strategic, and it's something we'll talk about as we kind of complete our strategy later this year, but the good news is we've been working on this area over the last year or two, both with our HMC and our MRV, and you'll see more of that later this year. But to be honest with you, I didn't see anything in the functions and features, and we did see a demo of it, that was materially different in functions and features then the kind of functions and features we've been looking to build into our Home Media Center and our Connected Lifestyle Initiative.
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    Very very good news if both the companies sort out their internal problems over the agreement and come with some new and competetive product with excellent features.Hope for the best and let see.

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